Discuss Detroit Archives - January 2008 Abandoned Train Station Photos - 05.04.08 Previous Next
Top of pageBottom of page

Sg_creative
Member
Username: Sg_creative

Post Number: 38
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 7:45 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An in depth collection of Michigan Central Station photos as of May 4, 2008.

http://www.detroitstockphotos. com/Production/PhotoGroupView. aspx?pbid=4&msa=1&pgid=1290613 6



Also, a blurb about a possible future for the station. According to Wikipedia.

Proposals and concepts for renovation in the past have included several potential uses:

* Depot owners said (2008) they still are working on renovating the decaying Beaux-Arts, neo-classical building that's been closed since 1988.

* In 2004 when Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick announced that Detroit was pursuing options to possibly relocate the Detroit Police Department headquarters to the aging facility. However, in mid-2005, the deal was called off and MCS remains abandoned. One proposal suggested turning the Station into a trade processing center due to its proximity to the Ambassador Bridge.

* Ambassador Bridge owner Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, proposed that his Michigan Central Station be restored as the centerpiece of a new convention center possibly combined with a casino, such a project could cost $1.2 billion, including $300 million to restore the Station. The Detroit Wayne County Port Authority has the ability to issue bonds and could take part in financing such a project.

* Renovation budgets have been estimated to require between $100 and $300 million to bring the building back to life.
Top of pageBottom of page

Paulmcall
Member
Username: Paulmcall

Post Number: 969
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 10:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think they are just guessing with the costs of fixing it up. That place is such a mess. The cost overruns would probably be outrageous.
Top of pageBottom of page

Sg_creative
Member
Username: Sg_creative

Post Number: 39
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 11:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree. As much as I would love to see it how it looked in that video that was posted a while back, I just think about the cost and realize that it will probably never happen. My fingers are still crossed, though.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jjaba
Member
Username: Jjaba

Post Number: 6451
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 12:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jjaba would sure miss that view of Canada from the expressway, through the windows. Please, no curtains, eh. It's really cool at sunset.

jjaba on the Westside.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jjaba
Member
Username: Jjaba

Post Number: 6452
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 12:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can somebody drop off a broom for the MCS? Looks a little dusty. Sg_creative, welcome to Forum. Great ruins photos.

jjaba.
Top of pageBottom of page

Sg_creative
Member
Username: Sg_creative

Post Number: 40
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 12:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haha, maybe a wet/dry vac, too. Thanks.
Top of pageBottom of page

Ray1936
Member
Username: Ray1936

Post Number: 3099
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 1:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After looking at those photos, I'd have to say the shell is beyond rehab.

On the other hand, if Wilbur and Orville hadn't invented that danged machine of theirs, the place would be booming right now.
Top of pageBottom of page

Professorscott
Member
Username: Professorscott

Post Number: 1246
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 1:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ray, trains do fine in other countries, and they have air travel in those places too. It's the federal government that did in the passenger rail system in the US, through massive subsidies of highways and air travel.
Top of pageBottom of page

Spacemonkey
Member
Username: Spacemonkey

Post Number: 533
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 1:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When do you guys think they will get this station up and running again?
Top of pageBottom of page

Fareastsider
Member
Username: Fareastsider

Post Number: 880
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 2:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It will NEVER be open again.
Top of pageBottom of page

Bob
Member
Username: Bob

Post Number: 1770
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 2:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It will never open again. For one thing, every year that it sits, I am sure the cost goes up for what it would take to rennovate it. Weather is taking its toll on the structure, even with it being massively overbuilt to withstand the constant rumbling of trains.

Another thing is, what do you do with an old train station? Ideas have come and gone. When time was good and financing was easy to get, nothing happened. Now with extremely tough economic times, financing is probably impossible. It was never fully used even when it was open and being used as a train station. There were floors of offices that were never used and there was a time period when the main lobby was closed to save money in the 1960s.
Top of pageBottom of page

Flanders_field
Member
Username: Flanders_field

Post Number: 329
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 2:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tear it down or implode it, the reason for the great size of the building was paperwork, desks and file cabinets.

The introduction of interstate highway system started to eat away at that railroad's share of passenger and freight transportation, and the computer age finished it off. I witnessed work that was once performed by a dozen people, reduced to a few, after computer terminals were implemented in the late 70s.

Just as the internet has been doing to the USPS.
Top of pageBottom of page

Retroit
Member
Username: Retroit

Post Number: 50
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 3:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bet if Mr. Maroun was given a casino license, he'd find a way to fix up the place, and quick! In fact, I'd be in favor of granting up to one casino license a year to anyone who places it in a renovated building of historic preservation value.
Top of pageBottom of page

Valkyrias
Member
Username: Valkyrias

Post Number: 515
Registered: 02-2005
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 3:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

they won't ever tear it down...it will have to be rehabbed first before that happens, because much like the book cadillac, the cost to tear it down would be more than rehabbing it based on the amount of hazardous material that building was made with.

i've also heard from many, including architects, that the building itself is solid, and could be rehabbed...that is, if someone could ever get it out the grasp of mr. maroun without spending a ton of money and giving up their first born.
Top of pageBottom of page

Flanders_field
Member
Username: Flanders_field

Post Number: 331
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 3:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the MCS would be too expensive and hazardous to tear down, then perhaps it should be converted into a baby-boomer mausoleum, it looks like a giant tombstone now anyway...
Top of pageBottom of page

Spacemonkey
Member
Username: Spacemonkey

Post Number: 536
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 4:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whoever owns the building should be thrown in jail by now for letting such a hazard remain as it is. For shame.
Top of pageBottom of page

Professorscott
Member
Username: Professorscott

Post Number: 1249
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 4:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One of the biggest problems with that building, as opposed to the many abandoned office buildings in the downtown area, is that it is in a location that no longer makes any sense for any conceivable purpose. A building of that type, in the downtown area or near Wayne State, you could perhaps come up with a use for. But out there where it is? I can't imagine any reason why anyone would want to fix it up. There has to be some return on the investment, so tell me: fix it up and use it as what?
Top of pageBottom of page

Wood
Member
Username: Wood

Post Number: 49
Registered: 05-2006
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 4:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

professorscott, I heartily disagree.

white people from the suburbs LOVE corktown. maybe because it's one of the few white neighborhoods left in the city. maybe because of all the good memories of going to tigers games. maybe because it has a kick-ass barbecue restaurant they feel comfortable in. it doesn't matter, the proof is in the pulled pork: white people from the suburbs love coming down to corktown. have you ever been there for st. patrick's day? jesus, I never saw so many white people.

A casino would do very, very well in that building. And what a magnificent place to throw away your suburban dollars, compared to the smoky, low-ceilinged dumps we already have.
Top of pageBottom of page

Treelock
Member
Username: Treelock

Post Number: 321
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 5:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

* Depot owners said (2008) they still are working on renovating the decaying Beaux-Arts, neo-classical building that's been closed since 1988.

Bullshit.
Top of pageBottom of page

Douglasm
Member
Username: Douglasm

Post Number: 1082
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 5:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would think at this point the only way to realistically make a go of MCS would be to do something like what Buffalo did with Buffalo Central Terminal, another major NYC station/office complex that fell into disrepair.

www.buffalocentralterminal.org
Top of pageBottom of page

Hpgrmln
Member
Username: Hpgrmln

Post Number: 438
Registered: 06-2007
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 6:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$100-300 Million?
Why do I have the feeling that Moroun can afford that without Sacrificing much?
Top of pageBottom of page

Sean_of_detroit
Member
Username: Sean_of_detroit

Post Number: 268
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 9:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the price guess is accurate. I don't think the building can get that much more expensive to rehab. At this point it would be a total gut and rebuild. Just my thought. I also think it would be to expensive to just demolish. I mean, you could put all that money in getting rid of MCS, or you could put that same money into dozens of other more dangerous abandoned structures. MCS looks bad, but it isn't really hurting anyone like some of the small ones are.

Also, saying that location is bad is like saying the location of Lafayette Towers is bad. There are enough people who want that seclusion in/near the city. It's in a prime location if you ask me.
Top of pageBottom of page

Bussey
Member
Username: Bussey

Post Number: 656
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 10:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like this better, especially the graffiti.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/s amuraighost/sets/7215759444487 2794/
Top of pageBottom of page

Burnsie
Member
Username: Burnsie

Post Number: 1381
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 11:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treelock called "Bullshit" on Moroun's words of renovation.

That's about exactly what my post would have looked like if he hadn't already have typed it. Any time the media or citizens group starts sniffing around the depot, Moroun (or more likely, one of his lackeys) dishes out a smooth load of B.S. And not one of the big media outlets has truly called him out on it yet.
Top of pageBottom of page

Busterwmu
Member
Username: Busterwmu

Post Number: 478
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 11:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Douglasm, I agree with you 100%. I've visited the Buffalo NYC terminal before. It's amazing what that group has been able to do. Anyone interested in historic preservation/reuse projects should really take a look at that site he linked.
Top of pageBottom of page

Novine
Member
Username: Novine

Post Number: 502
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 5:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Other than the MetroTimes, has any Detroit media outlet had the guts to dig into Manny's business. I think Steve Wilson would go down a dark alley with Kwame and Carlita before he would start rummaging through Manny's trash.
Top of pageBottom of page

Sean_of_detroit
Member
Username: Sean_of_detroit

Post Number: 280
Registered: 03-2008
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 1:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They are open to proposals... what more do you want?
Top of pageBottom of page

W_chicago
Member
Username: W_chicago

Post Number: 23
Registered: 01-2008
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 3:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why not just turn it into a train station... again???? Think about it! It could be the center of the Detroit area's new commuter rail system, and a major stop on a high-speed rail from Chicago to Montreal! I know everyone on this forum is SOOOOOOO cynical about anything good happening to Detroit, but honestly this station is WAYYYY too valuable to just destroy (and I don't mean simply in terms of Once the MCS is renovated we can contemplate on this forum: Grand Central Station (NYC) vs. Union Station (DC) vs. a renovated Michigan Central Station... I think its a close call. I would be a darn shame to see our station go, a darn shame.

And a question:
Do the costs of renovating the MCS really outweigh the costs of tearing it down + the cost of developing the land??? I've heard some absurd figures for the amount of money it takes to tear high-profile buildings like this down... and often times with TAX PAYER'S MONEY! Fucking absurd!!
Top of pageBottom of page

Reddog289
Member
Username: Reddog289

Post Number: 269
Registered: 08-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 3:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

if i,m not mistaken, i belive when they were giving out the casino bids, Trump put in one and it was the MCS that he wanted to use. might be wrong but thats how i remember it. I love trains and so does my Uncle from Chicago, We both wonder the fate of the MCS. But if i had to put cash on that deal, i,d be better of putting it on the Lions in the Super Bowl then any thing getting done with that place.
Top of pageBottom of page

Bob
Member
Username: Bob

Post Number: 1778
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 8:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have always wondered why none of our local media dig around to figure out Moroun and his dirty laundry and intentions. He must have some good connections in the local media to get them to stay away. Never once heard them try to get him on MCS of any of his Ambassador Bridge dealing, like wanting the second bridge next to it when the Canadian government is against it.
Top of pageBottom of page

Busterwmu
Member
Username: Busterwmu

Post Number: 480
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 9:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MCS would be an effective train station if it was directly tied into a effecient transportation network. Either they need to run a subway from MCS to Michigan Ave and then directly downtown which operates on express schedules, or else do the same on the surface, with local and express trains, to make it effective to get downtown quickly.

I would love to see at least a portion of the structure re-used as a passenger train terminal, with Amtrak, local, light rail, and trains to Canada (Via or joint Amtrak/Via) included.
Top of pageBottom of page

Sg_creative
Member
Username: Sg_creative

Post Number: 44
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 5:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think a Casino would offer the best chance for that amount of money to be spent on MCS.
Top of pageBottom of page

Eric
Member
Username: Eric

Post Number: 1140
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 7:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The question we should be asking how can it be taken from Maroun? Whether you think it can be saved or not, as long as Matty owns the place nothing will happen. I certainly don't him selling without charging an exorbitant price.

Add Your Message Here
Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.