  Amgasper01 Member Username: Amgasper01 Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2008 |
My neighbors and I have been begun grilling in Grand Circus Park. We did so on Saturday and Sunday with no problems, but on Monday my friend fired up the grill and Detroit Police came and told him to put it out or he'd be fined. Is there a city ordinance regarding this? Is it really ok to smoke crack in the park, but not ok to fire up a grill? Any Detroit Police on DY that can clarify this for me? | ||
Django Member Username: Django Post Number: 293 Registered: 10-2003 |
I honestly dont know, but do know that many times cops make up the law as they see fit. Often depends what side of the bed they rolled off, sometimes they rolled off the couch, ect. Ive found the DPD to be pretty cool for the most part though, Id rather deal with the DPD than any other cop in the state, thats for sure, if your not doing anything seriously wrong, they dont have time for you. Theyve seen it all. One of the beauties of livin in the D | ||
Sean_of_detroit Member Username: Sean_of_detroit Post Number: 279 Registered: 03-2008 |
I have grilled in Grand Circus Park before. We offered some officers a hot dog one time. They obviously had no problems with it. That's really strange. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12637 Registered: 12-2003 |
Maybe you met an angry, protein-deficient Vegan cop?! | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3078 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Yeah, because the police walked past all the people smoking crack in GCP to bitch at you about your open grill. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 1203 Registered: 11-2003 |
I don't know about the legality, but I'll say this: it's exceptionally tacky and uncouth. Grand Circus is a formal Downtown park. Barbequing there is like grilling on your front porch - it's just classless. Belle Isle, Clark Park, Rouge Park, and Palmer Park would be good alternatives. | ||
Cub Member Username: Cub Post Number: 391 Registered: 02-2007 |
My sentiments exactly Eric_c. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 11616 Registered: 10-2003 |
To add to Eric_c's comments - Just go to Zaccarros buy some meat, cheese and bread and make yourself a little picnic basket and enjoy that at GCP as opposed to griling. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 1168 Registered: 08-2007 |
Just haul down your couch, get a case of St. Ide's for a foot stool and fire up that charcoal for a little keeping it real in the D. Classy man. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 1113 Registered: 11-2003 |
I disagree with distinguishing GCP from other city parks. As long as folks don't park their grill and other stuff in the middle of the sidewalk, there shouldn't be a problem. What else is too classless for GCP? Playing catch with a frisbee or football? Sitting on the grass? Reading NASCAR Weekly? As long as the use isn't obnoxious, loud or some kind of nuisance, downtown residents should be able to use the park as they like. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 2064 Registered: 09-2007 |
You know Gnome, your comment reminded me of this classic: http://www.bundyology.com/hpg/ 519.html http://www.bundyology.com/hpg/ 520.html | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12649 Registered: 12-2003 |
I'm with you, Swingline. Plus, classless people need to eat, too. As long as everyone cleans up after themselves, including that stuff that happened to be on the ground before they got there...I have NO trouble with this benign park usage. Better that than leaving it to the crackheads and winos and vagrants that end up there when it's empty and peaceful for them. Formal park...that is an oxy-moronic statement if I ever heard one. We used to grill on the DIA's front lawn when I lived at the Park Shelton. Classless and cluelessly cheering y'all! | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 6508 Registered: 10-2003 |
Not classy enough for Grand Circus Park. Well, now I've heard it all. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 1204 Registered: 11-2003 |
The world is what you make it, boys. I suppose none of you would see any problem wearing wife beaters and jeans to the Book-Cadillac's grand opening gala, either. There is a time and a place for everything. Grand Circus is a formal park. Harmonie and Campus Martius, too. There's nothing "oxy-moronic" about it at all. Like I said, just like grilling on your front porch. | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 603 Registered: 10-2006 |
Where's Officer Supersport? He can give us an official ruling! If anyone knows the difference between what's the law and what's classless, it's Supersport. (Message edited by dds on May 07, 2008) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12651 Registered: 12-2003 |
Eric_c, Judge harshly all you want...making the match with wearing an open-shouldered t-shirt to some officially formal function is quite a stretch even for you. You used to be more logical, at least before you chose to only dump your criticisms here instead of adding positives to the mix. First time we met, you had what you'd call a 'wife-beater' on, come to think of it...but we couldn't call Captain Jack's riverfront tour exactly a formal function. It would be easy enough for one to judge anyone who chooses to wear one of those anywhere...let alone use such an offensive term to describe a simple article of clothing. I'm sure you don't beat your own wife, and I'd bet you still have those in your wardrobe. Where are the signs that it is this elusively defined 'formal' park? Who has done the zoning definitions on these things? Or is it just in someone's loose personal definition so they can throw their judgements upon unsuspecting others? Each one of your formal parks seem to get informally used and abused all the time...I don't see anywhere that this has reared its head before this instance, hence our conversation. The only one with any sanctity at all is Campus Martius, and ONLY because they have privately-funded security. Awaiting your acerbic reply... | ||
Amgasper01 Member Username: Amgasper01 Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hahahaha Eric-C...as classless as grilling on your front porch? You want me to make up a list of things YOU can't do on your own property? With all the apathy regarding ownership of property in this city, I don't think an open grill on your front porch would exactly be described as blight. Furthermore, GCP is the closest city park to my residence and I can use it any way I please, as long as I am obeying city ordinances. I'm asking if anyone has information on a city ordinance regarding this issue. I'm not asking for your approval or opinion on how I spend my recreation time. | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 605 Registered: 10-2006 |
quote: And I'm assuming, the city has designated spots in parks that allow grilling. I have seen no designated areas like that in GCP like there are on Belle Isle or other larger parks. I'll agree with Eric_c on this one. quote: Most responsible citizens would have found out before the fact. But that's just my opinion. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 806 Registered: 11-2003 |
Even though they may be up in your grill, this probably isn't about your grill.. This very much looks like me they found some ordinance somewhere to prevent folks from gathering on the park for demonstrations, etc. There was just that pro-marijuana rally - would make sense that they find ways to make that not happen again. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12655 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yeah, and people undoubtedly spark fires temporarily there...heh. But, I'd go for the 'kindle and build' definition...get those coals a burnin' at home then carry the damn grille down to the park hot...THEN do your grilling. Won't be any fires then...no offense. Just creative classiness...I mean classlessness. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 2482 Registered: 10-2006 |
This is the reason why the Lions' tale gates are held at Eastern Market--no open flames are allowed in the CBD! | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 1205 Registered: 11-2003 |
The world is what you make it boys - ghetto is as ghetto does. If you elect to engage in behavior that degrades your surroundings, or for that matter, use the weak argument that just because everyone else shits on the place, it's gotta be OK to piss on it, so be it. God knows there's no place for grace or sound judgement in Detroit, right? Incidently, Gannon, the only "stretch" in my illustrative example was that which was intended to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the overall concept. There is a time and a place. Additionally - don't make assumptions - I proudly beat the living shit out of my wife and will continue to do so as long as there's a breath left in me. I do not, however, grill on my front porch. That would be downright tasteless. | ||
Norwalk Member Username: Norwalk Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2006 |
In Hamtramck its against the law to grill on your front porch or balcony and I don't see what wrong with grilling at your neighborhood park. Drive to Belle Isle sounds very suburban. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12657 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: Thanks for the gut laugh, I know you've not lost that precious sense of humor. There IS a time and a place...let's make MORE places for groups to have cookouts, then, if the need is so great in the CBD. How hard is it to find the third solution instead of merely judging another? I'm all for neighborhood cookouts...the camaraderie and companionship are things we need to encourage. So, instead of writing tickets, make a place acceptable nearby and encourage its proper useage. Then be consistent and keep those 'formal' parks completely clean. Same with the homeless...they need a place, too. Don't just scold and chase away...bring forth a real and true solution and make this place BETTER. Let's make solutions, not just move the problems around and away from our sight. Cheers | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 2316 Registered: 11-2003 |
Next time I drive by GCP and see garments hanging on a clothes line strung out by the statute of Hazen Pingree, I will know who is doing their wash. Same illogical analogy. | ||
Registeredguest Member Username: Registeredguest Post Number: 363 Registered: 10-2003 |
You know... I had the same issue the other day in the alley between Griswold and Woodward. I sat there, squatted and attempted to relieve myself. Then, out of nowhere, a police officer showed up. And, can you believe what happened next - he had the nerve to ticket me for indecent exposure! Oh my gosh - I am just a mere human! Can you believe that. Everyone uses that alley to dump. I thought that since it was an informal place, an informal alley, I could do what I wanted. What the heck is this city coming to? No mere public dumping, no mere grilling downtown? Where's that casual sense of je ne sais quois that defines Detroit? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 6511 Registered: 10-2003 |
So far having a barbeque in the park has been equated to pooping in an alley, smoking crack, hanging your laundry on Hazen Pingree, and wearing a wife beater to the grand opening of the Book Cadillac. Dang! | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6784 Registered: 08-2004 |
Well I think that Charlottepaul hit the nail on the head... "No open flames allowed in the CBD". I remember that ruling when Ford Field opened up. As for different types of parks, I sorta have to agree with Eric_c... GCP is more of an "ornamental" park. It has formal landscaping with fountains, pools and sculptures. You don't see any horseshoe pits, baseball diamonds or swing sets there, do you? Ditto for BBQ. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 1206 Registered: 11-2003 |
Spot-on, The_rock! HA! I'm the first to admit that I know how to stare down my nose, but standards are in place for a reason. Gannon is right, though. It's actually a great thing to hear that the residents in Downtown are there at all and looking to grill, at that. Now, maybe, as the neighborhood grows and refines it's sensibilities, the neighbors themselves will move to create their own sanctioned grilling park. No more clothes lines in GCP! | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 1207 Registered: 11-2003 |
Gistok paraphrases brilliantly. |
