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Russix
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Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 1:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20080511/ENT 04/805110538/1039

"Since 1967, more than 20,000 people in Detroit have been shot to death or otherwise killed. It's about time someone made a documentary like "Murder City.""
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 1:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's about time that someone documented that Detroit has a high murder rate!! If it weren't for this documentary, everyone would have the impression that Detroit is a quite peaceful urban city (sarcasm implied). Give me a break! This subject or similar subjects is covered over and over again.
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Paulmcall
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Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 3:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sometimes the truth hurts.
Until there is a major change, Detroit will not make a comeback.
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Greatlakes
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 1:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Covered literally as well in the city, it seems.

(Message edited by GreatLakes on May 12, 2008)
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Jt1
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 9:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm curious why they chose 1967 as the cut off? The simple fact of the matter is that Detroit has always been a violent city. Using 67 as a possible arbitrary date makes me wonder.

I am not defending the violemce that the city has seen in the last 40 years but let's not try to imply that everything was flowers and puppies prior to that infamous year.
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Spacemonkey
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 10:08 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to see this movie.
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Gaz
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 11:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know if I would watch this one. Detroit just does not need this. Let's look at the good things happening in Detroit and try to build on that.
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Alan55
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 12:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, I think that Texas should also make a film documenting that they are the execution capitol of the U.S. It should do wonders for their economy. They really need to publicize that fact.

A short documentary on how they are the religious cult capitol of the U.S. would probably do wonders also.
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Ladia
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 12:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i don't like all the negative attention.
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Macknwarren
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 2:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As to the question of why use 1967 as some sort of cutoff date: I can't speak for the filmmaker, but the number of homicides jumped in the 66-67 era and have stayed high ever since. Same thing for most other serious crime, including arson and fires in general.

Detroit had 225 homicides in 1926, right in the middle of Prohibition, Roaring 20s etc.

The yearly homicide total never went over 200 again until 1966 (214). In 1967 it hit 281; '68 it was 389, then never went below 400 until 2000.

So '67, the riot year, of course, actually is a rational cutoff.
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Greatlakes
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Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 2:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

The simple fact of the matter is that Detroit has always been a violent city.



Um, violent, perhaps, but to varying degrees. In 1951, 129 homicides occurred in a city of more than 1.8 million. In 1964, there were 125 homicides. By 1974, there were 714 homicides. ref,ref2
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Retroit
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Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 6:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you think this is bad, wait till Granholm's Film Incentive Package kicks in! There's no limit to Detroit as a setting for "gloom & doom" movies.
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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 6:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If we can leverage the blight and doom and gloom parts of the city to create jobs and bring in investment it is a good thing in my book.

I woudl prefer the blight not exist but if we are dealing with it we may as well use it as an opportunity.
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Lombaowski
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Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 7:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bought this. It's on it's way via mail.
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Ladyinabag
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Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 7:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I bought it from Amazon as well; only $16.99 + shipping. Such a deal.
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Evelyn
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Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 8:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd be interested to hear reviews of this documentary from other people on this forum.
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Spacemonkey
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Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 7:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just went to Amazon to buy a copy and it says they're out of stock. Huh. The DVD sold out.

http://www.amazon.com/Murder-C ity-Detroit-Years-Violence/dp/ B00153ZQTG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8& s=dvd&qid=1210763766&sr=1-2
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Nip
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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The price dropped to $12.64
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Erikd
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 12:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Since 1967, more than 20,000 people in Detroit have been shot to death or otherwise killed. It's about time someone made a documentary like "Murder City"



Since 1967, nearly 800,000 people in America have been shot to death or otherwise killed. It's about time someone made a documentary about that fact.

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"Murder City" asks a serious, sensitive and complicated one: Why do Detroiters keep killing each other at such a high rate?



Any attempt to examine violent crime in Detroit simply as a local problem, while ignoring the greater national problem, will only lead to misunderstanding and error.

This is like asking why Las Vegas has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, without considering the nation-wide mortgage crisis as a possible factor.
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Spacemonkey
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 7:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nip: where? I would like to buy it.
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Nip
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 11:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer -listing/B00153ZQTG/ref=dp_olp _2?ie=UTF8&qid=1210763766&sr=1 -2

Currently going for $11.99
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Greatlakes
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Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 12:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Since 1967, nearly 800,000 people in America have been shot to death or otherwise killed. It's about time someone made a documentary about that fact.



They did. It's called Bowling for Columbine.

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Any attempt to examine violent crime in Detroit simply as a local problem, while ignoring the greater national problem, will only lead to misunderstanding and error.



No, because the original question is "Why do Detroiters keep killing each other at such a high rate?" not just why do Detroiters kill each other as seen in other cities. Any attempt to paint Detroit's crime problems as just typical of national crime rates is both misleading and a disservice to Detroiters who want real results.
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Gaz
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Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 11:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ANY area - not just Detroit - that has high unemployment, little or no money, a piss poor educational system, etc. is going to have crime. Why the media continues to single out Detroit is beyond me. St. Louis, Buffalo, Chicago - just about any where in the rust belt - has similar problems. Bring in jobs, businesses, upgrade the schools and get rid of the current city "leaders" and you will see a different city.
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Jiminnm
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Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 12:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gaz, I think the media focuses on Detroit because it has the highest per capita murder and overall violent crime rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U nited_States_cities_by_crime_r ate

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