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Microfish7
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 1:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good Morning and Happy Memorial Day! In the 1950s and up to 1964 I lived at 12666 Monte Vista, at the Fullerton End (Buena Vista was the other end of my block)

We had Rumanian, Latvian and other interesting neighbors. I attended Monnier and Mackenzie.

Al in Iowa
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Ray1936
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 4:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey, Fish. I lived at 12316 Sorrento and later 13960 Steel; also attended Monnier and Mackenzie -- both of which have been abandoned by the DPS. Most of my fun at the Sorrento address was watching the trains of the DTRR on the tracks along fullerton on the south side of Grand River. Good days long gone.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 7:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neighbors, Northlawn and Schoolcraft. Noble, Tappan, Cass Tech. Wrigley's on Davison and Greenlawn. Eagle Dairy on Wyoming. Johnson's Milk Depot on Davison. Romanians, Lithuanians, Croats, Lebanese, Italians, Polish, French, Canadians, Jews, Bohemians, Ukrainians, Armenians. St Brigid Parish.

jjaba, Proudly Westside.
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Pffft
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 8:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone live near 9418 Steel?
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Birwood
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 10:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Microfish7, I attended Monnier for K and 1st grade.
I had Miss Moriarity for K and Miss McCaffery for 1st grade. Then my folks put me in St Brigids at Indiana & Schoolcraft. Graduated Mackenzie June 1968, Then 4 yrs USAF....parents moved while I wads away...I think they were trying to tell me something

Mr McHenry the Gym teacher, he lived 4 houses down the street from me on Birwood.

My cousins lived on Monte Vista just south of Davison. The jefferies Fwy took their home when I came thru.

Did you ever know the Seigals or Schoenfelds ? They lived between Davison and Buena Vista.

I delivered papers from the Detroit News sub-station at Sorrento and Grand River and the Free Press from the sub sation at the Drug Store on the corner of Meyers & Grand River & Fullerton across from the bank
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Dannyv
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 11:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was in the 'hood, just not the same 'hood. Lived at 12719 Greenlawn, went to Noble Elementary '57-'60. Spent summers at Butzel Pools, trying to mouth-melt my Holloway chocolate sucker on the way home. Saturday afternoons at the Beverly Theater catching the latest war, monster, sci-fi. Put pennies on the railroad tracks behind the houses across the street. Waking up at night from the click-clack of the train passing through.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 12:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good one Dannyv. jjaba sold Sat. night Sunday Bulldog Detroit Times off the back door of Sears-Oakman, 1953-56. People would buy them on the way to the parking lot. Store was open to 9pm.
Then, jjaba biked home up Northlawn.

jjaba, Westsider.
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Dannyv
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 12:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jjaba, on my way to the Beverly, I would see a legless man on a makeshift skateboard selling pencils. it freaked me as a kid. Perhaps you recall him. If nothing was showing at the Beverly, then we went to the Tower Theater, but that required a car ride. It was next to an auto repair shop and they had a cool large tire that kids could fit within or climb atop. On Sundays, went to St. Brigid's where there was a cool mural behind the altar of Jesus busting out of his tomb, the stone slabs crushing the Roman soldiers guarding it.

jjaba, I was in your newspaper while I lived on Greenlawn. My older brother didn't realize, until my birth, that his lifelong ambition was to be an only child. At six months on the 4th of July, 1952, I was rescued from an "accidental" housefire by a passing milkman. A picture of me and my parents scolding my brother appeared in the Times or Freep

(Message edited by dannyv on May 27, 2008)
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Chuckjav
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 2:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Microfish7....13042 Foley (Ward & Foley) checking in; lived there from '69 through '76.

Are you going to the Mackenzie All-Years Reunion on June 29th?
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Jgavrile
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 4:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Used to live in a two family flat on Appoline in the late 60's,before they put in I-96. Right near Schoolcraft. Don't remember the address??
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Birwood
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 6:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dannyv, what years did you go to St. B's

I went there from 57 to 64.

I had 2 older siblings and 2 younger

Was in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, Troop 408

Played CYO Football and Basketball for Mr Strunk
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Birwood
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 6:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pffft had a classmate at Mackenzie class of 68 that I hung with that lived on Steel around your area.

His last name was Scibilia, first name was Litterio or Larry, had a younger brother Gene
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Jjaba
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 6:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The new St. Brigids Catholic Church was built in 1950. Carrado Parduci did the masonary sculptures. His works is all over Detroit in much older buildings.

Two religions in the neighborhood; Catholics and Publics.

jjaba came up in a two-flat also. The renters paid $52.50/month rent and Dad complained about his $55/mo. payment. Exactly, how were we going to get that $2.50 a month to live there?

Dannyv, great story about the fire and your excape.

Detroit Times were distributed from Grand River and Washburn, around the corner, substation.
jjaba and Ray1936 worked our routes from there.

jjaba, Westsider.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 6:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Who remembers the Northlawn bus, always waiting for us at Cunningham's, Grand River and Oakman?

When do you think it stopped running?

jjaba.
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Birwood
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 7:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Used to catch the Northlawn bus infront of Safer Drug, Wyoming & Schoolcraft to get to sears Federals, the Beverly and to Barrys War Surplus or Barrys Gyp Joint as us kids all called it
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Ray1936
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 8:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The building that Safer Drug was in is no longer. It was demolished and replaced with this structure. View is on Wyoming looking east, with St. Brigid's Church in the background (Google Maps Street View).


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9936sussex
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 8:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My grandmother used to live in an apartment building on Meyers,very close to Grand River and the railroad tracks. We used to take the Greenfield bus to GRand River and transfer to the Grand River bus to Meyers. Anyone have a recollection of that area? I was a little girl at the time and I remember sitting outside waiting for the trains to pass.
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Dannyv
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 12:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Birwood, I didn't go to St. Brigid's elementary school, only there for catechism and Sunday mass. I'm not sure what Cub scouts troop I was in but it didn't work out for me. The den mother was abusive so I hung out at the drug store reading comics rather than go to den meetings. I really wanted to be a Cub scout too tho'.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 1:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jjaba was in Scouts. Cubs and Scout Troop, 428, Noble School. We went to Charles Howell Scout Reservation for two-week periods for several summers way out in Brighton. The land is now occupied by $million home estates, but the hills and familiar lake is still the same.

Ray1936, great photo of the Wyoming/Schoolcraft intersection. Others are encouraged. That corner had CF Smiths, A&P, Eagle Dairy, a 5&Dime store, gas station, etc.
jjaba, Westside memories.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 1:41 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

St. Brigid School and Parish existed from 1924 to 1989. In 1989, 31 Detroit Catholic parishes were closed for reasons of population movement. 1989 was a pretty bad year, eh.

jjaba.
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The_rock
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 8:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gotta admit, Mr. jjaba--You are a true Westsider.
Seems to me, and I am really going back, there used to be a large lumber yard, maybe out on Wyoming Avenue somewhere in your neck of the woods. Ring a bell?
Not sure why after all these years I recall a lumber yard,and the Varsity theater , but those two stick in my mind.
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Birwood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey Rock.....that was Restrick Lumber at Wyoming and Lyndon. It burned, 5 Alarm Fire, in like October of 61 or 62 right around Halloween. I remember it was next to D & W oil. whick almost went up that night. Anyone else remember that fire
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 1:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember it, Birwood, but can't pin down the year for the life of me. I thought it was a little earlier than 61 or 62, but my grey cells just don't boot up like they used to.

There was another big lumber yard fire around Meyers and Lyndon in 1955. It threatened the gas company storage tank over on Schaefer at first. Can't recall the name of that one. I took photos of it, but the prints have long wandered away.
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Birwood
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 4:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ray, I also remember Northwest Plumbing & Heating on the corner of Meyers & Lyndon it burned somewhere in the mid 60's. I was on my way to Monnier Branch Library to get books for a science project and was at the corner of Meyers & Schoolcraft in front of Al Pisa when DFD Engine 49 went by, needless to say I followed on my bike and never made it to the library. I was late for dinner too, my Mom was really pissed
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Pffft
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 4:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Birwood, thanks -- I didn't live there but was looking to find folks who did...

You reminded me, I have a friend who graduated from Mackenzie class of '70, have to check with her ..
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Eastside61
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 4:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TO all Stags: What was the one reason that the neighborhood changed so dramatically after the mid 60's ??? We on the eastside wonder if the same influences came into play on the eastside too.... Denby is still open but barely ......

(Message edited by eastside61 on May 28, 2008)
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Whithorn11446
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 5:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"We on the eastside wonder if the same influences came into play on the eastside too."

Speak for yourself Eastside61. Sorry had to get that dig in. I know what largely happened over there and it was this thing called "blockbusting". The blockbusting in Northwest Detroit made what happened on the east side like a day in the park. Many Neighborhoods between Livernois and Greenfield in Northwest Detroit changed rapidly(3-4 years).
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Mackenzie68
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 5:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The excuse was the riots, but lots of folks were already moving out. White folks I mean. I loved Mackenzie, and the diversity was one reason. Mack and Mumford had the "race relations" card buried in the bottom of the deck. We just plain got along. Our parents, not so much. I'm sure block busting has been discussed here, it was threatened in my neighborhood.

The other factor was the quality of public education. It was sliding downhill fast, no longer a magnet to hold people out of shiny new houses in the suburbs.
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Shovelhead
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 9:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Birwood and Ray1936,
Since you were in the area of Lyndon & Wyoming, do either of you remember the Pfeiffer & Budweiser beer distributor on the northwest corner of Lyndon & Indiana? It was the Sol Yagoda Distributing Company.
My dad worked there from about 1957 to 1965.
I haven't been by there since I worked on Livernois in '71, so I am not sure if the building is still standing.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I recall the name, and it looks like the building is still there, shovelhead. Google hasn't done the street view on Lyndon yet.


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Paulmcall
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you guys talking about Wallach Lumber?
Twin Pines was down that way along Lyndon.
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Shovelhead
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's it. I remember that the building looked to me like it had been added on to, the part facing Indiana looked to be older than the west side of it.
There was a garage door on the Indiana side to the rear of it also. The office was to the left of the center divide, next to the driveway apron. I can still remember the inside of the warehouse area.
I remember going there on Saturday mornings with my dad. A special treat was when one of the drivers would fuel his truck and I could go for a ride in a "real" beer truck.
I remember Northwest Plumbing and the Michigan Consolidated Gas storage tank near there. And while riding along Lyndon, looking at the street signs, amazed that Mark Twain had a street in Detroit named after him. Hey, don't laugh, I was REAL young than!
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Shovelhead
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

VErmont 8-5151, Wallach Lumber's phone number. That and TEmple 2-6600, the phone numbers that are on a old carpenter's nail pouch that I saved after we divided up my father-in-laws personal effects earlier this year. I couldn't let it get trashed, and no one else wanted it, so it was mine then.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 11:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If'n you wanted the police or fire, forget 911. DPD was WO 2-5700 and fire WO 2-0400. I guess maybe if you dialed "O" back then the operator might have connected you if you sounded excited.

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