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Saplej
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Post Number: 14
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 10:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LANSING (AP) -- Michigan House Speaker Andy Dillon's job security improved significantly Friday.

State elections officials said a preliminary review indicates a group seeking to recall the Democrat from Wayne County's Redford Township didn't collect enough valid voter signatures to advance its effort.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a pps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2008 0523/REG/217013940/-1
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Bob
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Post Number: 1807
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 10:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Leon Drolet is a moron anyways. That man needs stay in Macomb Township and leave people alone. He has never done anything productive in his political career.
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Mcp001
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Post Number: 3431
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 11:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And handy Andy Dillon has done what?

Raise taxes...ooh that's original!

OABTW, they're appealing this case in court. So Dillon's not out of the woods just quite yet.
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Bob
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Post Number: 1808
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 12:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Leon Drolet MI Taxpayers Alliance does not have very big pockets, and the Democratic party is supporting Dillon, so they can afford to wait will Drolet runs out of money and it will go away. Our state legislature has not really done anything to fix the structural problems, but Mr. Drolet also only votes to not spend money, it does not matter what it is. Look at his voting record, even things that are good he votes against. He represents a community that is a epitomy of uncontrolled, unregulated sprawl, Macomb Township.
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Mcp001
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Post Number: 3435
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last time I checked, Macomb County didn't need to raise taxes to cover it's over-spending.

The same can't be said of handy Andy and his minions in Lansing.
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Bob
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Post Number: 1809
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 2:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No Macomb County is still where the state was in 2001 under Engler with taking money from the rainy day fund because the legislature (commissioners) can't agree on how to cut. Fortunately the people of Macomb County saw how it worked for the state and chose to end the stalemate and re-write the county charter with the most likely outcome meaning cutting a majority of the useless commissioners in favor of an county executive. Again, I am not in favor of the useless legislature and how they can't find things to cut (like the inflated corrections budget), but Drolet is one of the most useless politicians on earth and needs to stick to representing his people of Macomb Township and let the people of Redford decide what they want to do.
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Novine
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Post Number: 534
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 2:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oops!

Macomb faces more red ink
First-quarter tax revenues overestimated, county now on pace to run $4M deficit, says finance director.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080513/M ETRO03/805130362
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Mcp001
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Post Number: 3437
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 4:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Again:

quote:

Macomb County didn't need to raise taxes to cover it's over-spending.

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Novine
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Post Number: 535
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Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yet.
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 6013
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 1:24 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dillon had the gaul to raise taxes. That, my friends, is an impeachable offense.

All joking aside, Leon Drolet is nothing but a gadfly and weasel, with little to no positive effect on state government. Dillon could vote for a tax hike ten more times and he's still be a better representative than Drolet was. Drolet realizes that he'd never rise beyond a State House representative (probably couldn't even get elected to the state senate). So, what do you do when you wish for higher office but know you're not fit? You spend the rest of your career as a hateful, bitter little troll playing "gotcha" and in many cases (this one being so blatant) playing "gotcha" with nothing to back it up.

The Taxpayer's Alliance needs to recall this silly little @ss of a man.
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Mcp001
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Post Number: 3442
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And all that tax raising has accomplished what?

The state's looking at about a $400-500 million hole in their revenue stream this year.

Great plan.
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Bob
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Post Number: 1811
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The state, much like Macomb County refuses to actually fix the structural problems with its budget. That study just came out that the state will have deficits all the way through 2017. And the only reason it does not go past that is that is how far the study went. Our legislators need to actually do something to fix the budget. Besides onetime fixes. The income tax increase phases out, so it is not a solution. The legislature needs to first look at the corrections budget. This is the places where the most money could be saved, we cannot throw everyone is jail. There is more effective ways to fight crime besides jail. Education for one thing could help. But that does not mean throwing more money at the schools. Making higher education more affordable would be a huge start. If people have the right education, they can get jobs, if they have jobs, they are less likely to commit crime. A solution to the health care crisis in this nation would go a long way towards fixing the state's problems. Dillon's raising taxes does nothing to fix the problem, it just puts off the problem. But Drolet is a libertarian in the truest sense, he believes in no government, and no taxes. But ask him (as I have), about his lifetime benefits from the state, and he refuses to answer.
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Alan55
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Post Number: 1725
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Last time I checked, Macomb County didn't need to raise taxes to cover it's over-spending."

It's hilarious when someone holds up MACOMB COUNTY as an example of good government. I am sure that would make David Jaye, Anthony Morocco, Joe Munem, and Mark Steenbergh smile.
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Jerrytimes
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Post Number: 140
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 7:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It shouldn't be a shocker that anyone wants to recall this guy. Come on, Michigan has the worst economy of the 50 states, and the people that have jobs are struggling because of gas prices and inflation and what does he think would be a good idea??? RAISE TAXES! Blows my mind. Not only is that state taking more of your paycheck with state income tax hikes, they are also enjoying the benefit of higher gas taxes by collecting at least .24 per gallon now that gas is over $4. If you have a 20 gallon tank, that's $4.80 a tank, if you fill up once a week, that's about $250 a year. Take take take, the man must be removed due to his idiocy.
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Novine
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 12:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In case you missed the news, people are driving fewer miles these days. Whatever the state is taking in higher gas taxes is being offset as less gas being purchased.

(Message edited by Novine on May 29, 2008)
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 6015
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 2:37 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Recalling someone because of raising taxes is the height of abuse and misuse of the system. This irresponsible use of the reform-of-last-resort meant to oust politicians involved in illegal acts, poor ethics, or gross mismanagement is more maddening than any tax increase. The abuse of such a tool, using it to put out political hits on politicians voting their good conscience, is unethical nearly to the point of being immoral.

This will, as it has already begun, to backfire on the state GOP, and I hope that this stunt crushes them under its own weight. Karma's a bitch. You don't have to be a Democrat to see how wrong, but just as important, inefficient, recall vendetta, is.
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Bob
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Post Number: 1814
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is already backfiring on Drolet because him and his MI Taxpayers Alliance are being accused of falsifying signatures. The State Dems say they have video of this from someone who infiltrated Drolet's group. Drolet has no comment.
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Patrick
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Post Number: 5424
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 2:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LMichigan, would you say the same thing if it were a Republican being recalled? It goes both ways.
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Mtm
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Post Number: 305
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 3:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They definitely had irregularities in the petition signatures. From WDIV: Fire Chief: My Name Forged On Recall Petition. http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/16420496/detail.html
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 6017
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Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, in fact, I would, Patrick. I am not for the misuse of the recall, PERIOD, be it for a Democrat, Republican, or otherwise. If folks remember, two or so Republicans were also being targeted for recall before Drolet focused all of his attention on Dillon. In fact, one of those Republicans was a state senator from near my area, Valde Garcia of Livingston County. If there is nothing that pisses me off more, it's this kind of misuse of political tools of last resort.

Let's be clear, Kilpatrick is more than a great example of someone who a recall is appropriate for if that's what the citizens of Detroit want. Dillion and folks like Garcia aren't.
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Ferntruth
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Post Number: 495
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 4:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"And all that tax raising has accomplished what?

The state's looking at about a $400-500 million hole in their revenue stream this year.

Great plan"

You should run for Governor since you seem to have all the answers.
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Mcp001
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Post Number: 3471
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Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 5:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't belong to a political party.

So that handicaps my chances right there.

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