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Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1733
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 1:59 pm: |    |
^ lol.. I think he may be the one that took him to buy the suit in the first place lol. |
Dabirch
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Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 2541
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:12 pm: | |
Shark --
Time to bring back the avatar... |
Kid_dynamite
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Username: Kid_dynamite
Post Number: 551
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:19 pm: | |
dabirch...what the hell happened over there?? check dyes connect, too. there is a message for you |
Craig
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Username: Craig
Post Number: 829
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:22 pm: | |
^Chuck came out of the basement, and he wasn't happy?
A shadowy figure was seen lurking on Washington, swinging a heavy bag of legos? |
Kid_dynamite
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Username: Kid_dynamite
Post Number: 553
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:28 pm: | |
Craig, either scenario seems plausible. |
Crawford
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Username: Crawford
Post Number: 243
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:30 pm: | |
So who bought his pimped-out ride? Did the judge give this "poor soul" a caddie courtesy of his big taxpayer-funded salary?
Lock up this scum before he kills someone else. |
Club_boss
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Username: Club_boss
Post Number: 473
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:39 pm: | |
He’s been out 15 months; A little over a decade ago he was in the sixth grade, stood 4 feet 9 inches tall and weighed 65 pounds, when he sat in the defense chair, his 11-year-old feet couldn't reach the ground.
What he did is hid a rifle in his pants, and shot and killed 18-year-old Ronnie Greene Jr, who was a stranger to him. He would spend the rest of his childhood locked up.
Abraham told people he intended to kill, and been worried about gangs coming after him.
He had had several run-ins with the system before, pulling a gun on fellow elementary school students, beating a boy with a pipe, and getting involved in arson and burglary. But he was never prosecuted?
The defense argued that the shooting was accidental, that Abraham was aiming at trees (just say he was aiming at God), not Greene's head.
In the end, jurors convicted him of second-degree murder, making him the youngest person in Michigan to be convicted of murder as an adult, and one of the youngest in the country.
This was the first murder case brought under a new state law that gave prosecutors unilateral power to decide whether to try someone as an adult -- previously a judge's decision.
He was free of all state supervision on his 21st birthday, in January 2007.
He certainly was not on parole, and I don’t believe he was probation either.
His “pimped out car was 38 years old? Are you being facetious or was the car actually restored and refurbished? |
Smogboy
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Username: Smogboy
Post Number: 7981
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:43 pm: | |
So let's convict this guy for his drug running and put him away for that. No leniency at all. Why should there be for this guy? |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 7382
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:46 pm: | |
Once a oppressed black male always an oppressed black male. |
Rax
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Username: Rax
Post Number: 314
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:47 pm: | |
quote:He's a thug, the pimp outfit is what he wanted to be identified with, otherwise he would have walked out of prison in normal clothing.
He thought he was a big man who beat the system and he got lots of handouts. Prison is where he needs to stay, because the next step is violence for him.
Hey at least he drives a Cadillac. You should be happy.
What you drive drives America! |
Kid_dynamite
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Username: Kid_dynamite
Post Number: 554
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:49 pm: | |
There won't be, and there shouldn't be. It is still alright to assume that this shitbag would probably kill again. |
Johnberk
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:53 pm: | |
Well, at least Mr. Abraham did not kill anybody else. Anybody remember Damien Dorris? Killed a pregnant woman named Elizabeth Alvarez at a SW Detroit ATM in August of 1993 when he was 14. Released when he turned 21 in 1999. By 2004 he was arrested & convicted of killing 4 more people and is suspected in the murder of a 5th. |
Bulletmagnet
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Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 1241
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:57 pm: | |
I'm shocked! NOT! Just give him some more time Johnberk, and (sadly) your prediction may come true. |
Psewick
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Username: Psewick
Post Number: 107
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 3:09 pm: | |
"Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone. I'm sure none of you has ever had anything to do with drugs. (Sarcastically)"
I've never done any drugs whatsoever, or even ever had an alcoholic drink. ::reaches for bag of stones:: |
Mrsjdaniels
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Username: Mrsjdaniels
Post Number: 926
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 4:06 pm: | |
hubby and I saw Nathaniel at Great Lakes a few weeks after his release...he was 'thuggin' then...cell phone thuggin talking big crap and cursing out loud around kids.
We said "he'll be back"...
my old boss said "he is nice, he came to our church, we welcomed him with open arms"
I said "he'll be back"
Next he applied to WSU, we talked to some folks to let him come in while we deflected phone calls from angry parents. I still felt bad about that.
THen we find out he's rapping...guess what he is talking about...thuggin
who is surprised? |
Sludgedaddy
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Username: Sludgedaddy
Post Number: 47
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 7:27 pm: | |
Does anyone recall the moniker Mr. Abraham chose to launch his rap career with? Second Chance? L'il One Shot? ??????? |
Ray1936
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Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 3199
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 7:37 pm: | |
I dunno, I'd rather see him in the pimp outfit than in baggy jeans with his panties haning out as many of his colleagues seem to prefer.
(Sudden horrible thought....picture Kwame with baggy jeans and......well, never mind.) |
Yaktown
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Username: Yaktown
Post Number: 356
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 7:45 pm: | |
Damn! All I ever kept in my Crown Royal bag was Scrabble tiles. |
Smogboy
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Username: Smogboy
Post Number: 7986
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 8:13 pm: | |
There isn't enough material at ten JoAnn Fabric shops to make something large enough to look baggy on Kwame, Ray1936! |
Alley
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Username: Alley
Post Number: 247
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 8:17 pm: | |
haha man panties! Ray, you are a trip! |
Ravine
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Username: Ravine
Post Number: 2314
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 8:25 pm: | |
Gosh, this news comes as a terrible surprise.
The only folks for whom I feel slightly bad are the relentlessly idealistic optimists, some of them members of this forum, who, at the time of Abraham's release, permanently over-stretched the elastic of their Positive Thinking in behalf of this nauseating little punk. |
Terryh
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Username: Terryh
Post Number: 774
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 9:22 pm: | |
lol@Ray1936. Baggy saggy pants really irks you. Its just a fad man. As for Nate, Its dissapointing, but not exactly surprising. Maybe he is a socio-path who can't help it. |
Illwill
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Username: Illwill
Post Number: 116
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 9:27 pm: | |
How come the article or this thread not once mentioned his family? Where are the people in this kid's life that are suppose to care for him and look out for his best interest?
This could have been derailed if his family gave him a loving home. I don't think he ever had that in his life and I can just as easily blame his family for not disciplining him or teaching him. He is a product of his family environment and surroundings. |
Irish_mafia
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Username: Irish_mafia
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 11:17 pm: | |
Interesting illwill,
While a proper analysis that a solid family will provide, on average, a greater chance of success in the big cruel world... nobody wants to hear that shit.
When my friend arrives to teach a class in the Detroit Public Schools and finds that of 38 kids in class, one has a dad, all thinking people know that a bunch of little girls, and then older girls, and then even older girls that decided it was ok to just keep banging out little buddies with no dads, (along with cool dirt bags who don't have even the most remote understanding of the responsibility of their actions as they play each girl as their toy) have created a generation (or two) of problems.
No one is there when the kids have a tough time. No one is there to kick their ass into gear when they need that extra push and no one is there to steer them away from problems.
Until someone gets the basic concept of a family back into this city, that same very sacred life that was created when this guy was born, will be extinguished in too many other young kids and they will be left with what we see here: A detriment to society that must be locked away from a civilized people.
Lock him up. |
Softailrider
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Username: Softailrider
Post Number: 156
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 11:26 pm: | |
Crown Royal bags really do come in handy , golf balls , small handguns ,stuff like that. Of course , I always prefer a single malt scotch though...... |
Track75
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Username: Track75
Post Number: 2727
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 11:37 pm: | |
Nice post, I_m. |
Club_boss
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Username: Club_boss
Post Number: 475
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 12:00 am: | |
Who raised him?
When he was locked up (juvenile facility or not) at 11 years old he was a child, physically (pre-pubescent) and well as mentally.
He spent his all of his teenage years incarcerated, he entered puberty, went through puberty, and then became a young man, all the while incarcerated.
One of very few children ever to be incarcerated prior to entering their teen years, Andrew Golden—Jonesboro school shooter comes to mind, and remain in custody until their 21st birthday.
Did I read Michigan has no age minimum when deciding whether to try someone as an adult? |
Duke_sims
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Username: Duke_sims
Post Number: 12
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 12:28 am: | |
A lot of people wanted this kid to be a poster child for their cause.
As it turned out, that's exactly what happened.
Only it was a different cause. |
Reddog289
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Username: Reddog289
Post Number: 321
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 12:52 am: | |
I have seen this myself as my "BABY GIRL" got out of probation. She has her ups and downs. Lil One Shot is blowing a chance. Maybe if we bought his CD,S HE,D move to Cali then it would be their problem. |
Duke_sims
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Username: Duke_sims
Post Number: 13
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 12:53 am: | |
Irish Mafia, I agree with what you said about the absence of fathers, and you presented the point quite eloquently. But you seem to imply this is a Detroit problem. It's not.
A whole lot of American households are devoid of male authority, and the ramifications of this tragedy can be seen everywhere. |
Barnesfoto
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Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 5113
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 3:48 am: | |
wow, it seems that we have serious problems in this country. Kudos to IMs friend who has the balls to work in what is perhaps the country's most dysfunctional public school system. (although perhaps Camden NJ or East St. Louis is worse)
And yet, some people still think we can solve the problems (at gunpoint) in a distant country invented by Winston Churchill, if we just throw enough money and lives at it.
What were they thinking? |
20043_stotter
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Username: 20043_stotter
Post Number: 327
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 7:35 am: | |
Not excusing him, but he's a product of what's wrong in many cases. Fatherless upbringing, poor parenting by the single parent. This probably doesn't happen in most situations. He deliberately killed at age 11, something was very wrong way back then that can't be fixed. He is a menace to society and will continue to be. Rehab?, don't count on it. |
Patrick
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Post Number: 5433
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 7:38 am: | |
Well you can see your tax dollars at work. Progress! |
Pffft
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Post Number: 1531
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 9:45 am: | |
Nate's problem is that for him the thug life is glamorous...
PONTIAC -- Convicted murderer Nathaniel Abraham had a strong support system when he walked out of a juvenile detention facility last year, including an apartment, access to full college tuition, and a network of social workers who were eager to help him find a job and reintegrate into society.
But all that wasn't enough to keep him out of trouble with the law.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080531/M ETRO/805310375 |
Swingline
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Username: Swingline
Post Number: 1132
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 11:22 am: | |
Michigan locks up far too many offenders. During the Engler dominated legislatures of the late 80's and the 90's, many legislators persuaded themselves and their constituents that they were accomplishing something important and necessary by "toughening up" the Penal Code with all kinds of mandatory prison time. It was pandering of the worst sort. The costs are coming home to roost now that our per capita Corrections budget is coming close to leading the nation.
That said, there can be no dispute that some offenders are beyond rehabilitation and will never choose to pursue a career other than crime. It seems that Mr. Abraham might be a member of this predator class. When he was released from juvenile custody last year, I saw at least three of the many interviews he gave to the media. Without exception, he had an enormous difficulty articulating any coherent thought other than that he was glad to be free from custody. Other expressions about his plans, desires, and gratitude to bureaucrats and volunteers who had assisted him in his rehabilitation and his reintegration to society seemed rote, emotionless and insincere. In many ways, he projected the attitude that he was a victim of a wrongful conviction. Also, it seemed that he was simply not that bright. There is the very real possibility that he is a person that has neither the moral incentive nor the brains to find and keep a job. This all seems like a perfect recipe for the creation of a career criminal that will likely progress to violent crime. In other words, the kind of individual the State actually should spend money on by locking him up.
A good lawyer might be able to get him probation on this one. Not sure whether his juvenile conviction affects the calculation of his sentence range. If it does, then he gets some adult time for sure. There won't be much rehabilitation going on there for sure. The cycle will continue and he will re-offend. The whole thing sucks, but he might be one of those who can't live any other kind of life. |
Club_boss
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Post Number: 476
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 11:57 am: | |
It certainly “sucks.”
My concern is that there have only been a handful of children (12 and under) incarcerated in this country.
Certainly not enough to study them or form any conclusions as to the psychological effects this action will have, as they definitely have mental deficiencies prior to entering the system.
While his crime was a felony and his behavior and actions criminal, incarcerating an 11-year-old in a juvenile facility, in these cash strapped states (what state isn’t?) is as equally dysfunctional.
I do think he should be removed from society in some way, however he was broken when they released him.
Helping him when he got out? Buying him materialistic things (sincere but superficial) is not help and further shows just how unequipped and ill-prepared society is to deal with a child (12 and under) that spent all of his formative years in a state facility for juvenile offenders.
Wash your hands Pontius Pilate, so this death is not on your hands. |
The_rock
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Post Number: 2389
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 1:23 pm: | |
QUOTE: "A good lawyer might be able to get him probation on this one"
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A good lawyer knows the law
A great lawyer knows the judge.
This guy better have a REALLY great lawyer. Probation will raise one hell of an outcry from the public. |
Border5150
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 1:42 pm: | |
Why is this even a thread? Is ANYBODY really surprised by this story? |
Sludgedaddy
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Username: Sludgedaddy
Post Number: 48
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 6:19 pm: | |
When any attempt at juvenile rehab fails, one can always turn to the "Ludovico Technique" as demonstrated on Alex the Droog in "A Clockwork Orange". |
Ggores
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Username: Ggores
Post Number: 100
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 9:10 am: | |
heh heh heh, well, in a parental role, michigan state leaves little to the imagination. now there is some validity to this thread. |
Eastsidechris
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Username: Eastsidechris
Post Number: 225
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 1:24 pm: | |
Mildred Gaddis reported today the Caddy was, allegedly, on loan from one of Nate's mentors, Detroit businessman Herb Strathers. I'm sure Mr. Strathers was thrilled to hear his name being linked to NA's wholesome activities.
BTW, I saw the Channel 4 segment on Friday night about Nate's rapping and how the kids(?) around him said he was going to be a big-time rapper. I teach high school here in Detroit and if I had a dollar for every kid I heard in the past 10 years brag about how he was going to 'drop a CD' or 'make it to the league,' I think I could have retired comfortably several years ago.
Word to your mutha. ;) |
Django
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Username: Django
Post Number: 679
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 1:29 pm: | |
How about basketball?? I hear thats also a popular career choice. LOL |
Terryh
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Post Number: 786
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 2:26 pm: | |
He should have been given a 93 Ford Tempo, a small stipend, and a temporary place to stay (if he didn't have one) with the stipulation that he find a job in a reasonable amount of time. Why did he need a Cadillac? Yes it is very possible Nate is a personality type that cannot function in mainstream society. |
Eastsidechris
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Post Number: 226
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 2:39 pm: | |
Django, 'the league' is how kids refer to the NBA. The closest any of our kids has been to the league--other than by buying a ticket for a Pistons game--is that one alumnus was playing b-ball overseas. |
Kevgoblu
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 3:11 pm: | |
I don't know if i believe jail is for punishment or rehabilitation, but this case makes one wonder.
Nathaniel spent 10 of the formative years of his life in the custody of the state and he can't even make a year on the outside? Not to mention all the additional outside assistance he got due to the notoriety of the case. What does freedom have in store for the majority of those released from prison?
Not to say we owe released prisoners anything, but if we don't want them re-engaging in criminal behavior shouldn't something be done to try to ensure that they can become useful members of society. |
Detroitteacher
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Username: Detroitteacher
Post Number: 1290
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 8:55 pm: | |
Willie Green (the 76rs) is a Cooley Alumni and my former student. He came back to Cooley last week as part of a film being done about him (I will NOT be in the film!••• |
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