  Sparty06 Member Username: Sparty06 Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2007 |
How safe can downtown be when gangs are shooting into crowds of 40 people right on Woodward outside Club Bleu? How normal is this sort of post 2 a.m. violence downtown? http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20081128/M ETRO01/811280389&imw=Y | ||
Retroit Member Username: Retroit Post Number: 551 Registered: 04-2008 |
Not safe. Not normal. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1485 Registered: 04-2005 |
red squared and good life have seen gunplay/murder also. and if the incident at bleu bears any likeness, it will fade away with barely a peep. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 1552 Registered: 11-2005 |
And not Detroiters either, you'll note. Suburban kids. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1486 Registered: 04-2005 |
rhymes, are you talking about the suburb of highland park? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 5500 Registered: 02-2005 |
Ask Plaxico Burress [MSU football standout], the apparently unintended victim of a club shooting last night, how safe Manhattan is... the point is, this shit is a symptom of time and place [times/places where there are too many guns and too much substance use], and it is not exclusive to Detroit. | ||
1805 Member Username: 1805 Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2007 |
Don't flash gang signs. Simple. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1320 Registered: 11-2003 |
I'm reminded of the deaf person who was killed a few years ago after his use of sign language was mistaken as a gang sign. | ||
Salvadordelmundo Member Username: Salvadordelmundo Post Number: 124 Registered: 04-2006 |
Gang signs would still fall under 1st Amendment freedom of speech. It's sad that a supposedly first-world country has such a high rate of homicide. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3926 Registered: 01-2005 |
At my age, please don't mistake me and think I'm giving gang signs. It's arthritis....... | ||
Izzyindetroit Member Username: Izzyindetroit Post Number: 139 Registered: 07-2008 |
"Ask Plaxico Burress [MSU football standout], the apparently unintended victim of a club shooting last night, how safe Manhattan is... the point is, this shit is a symptom of time and place [times/places where there are too many guns and too much substance use], and it is not exclusive to Detroit." Burress shot himself in the leg. http://www.sportingnews.com/yo urturn/viewtopic.php?t=491774 | ||
Sean_of_detroit Member Username: Sean_of_detroit Post Number: 2316 Registered: 03-2008 |
Why was there not police near all the exiting club crowds like usual? :::A special request for our local reporters & bloggers. Do you guys agree this is beyond not acceptable on Woodward Avenue (our Main Street)? Were they caught? What is DPD and the club owners going to do to prevent this in the future? This is the area we are all but promising is safe to move, visit, or work to our tourists, locals, residents, CEOs, and entrepreneurs. If we're bluffing about those efforts, they're going to continue to call us on it, and continue to not believe us in the future. | ||
Salvadordelmundo Member Username: Salvadordelmundo Post Number: 125 Registered: 04-2006 |
For one thing, DPD and local prosecutors could actually prosecute on illegal carry charges for firearms. They don't really do that now; most charges of that nature are dropped or plead down. The relevant statutes are fairly strict; I believe you can get up to 10 years in prison for carrying without a valid CCW permit. | ||
Townonenorth Member Username: Townonenorth Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2007 |
It's beyond not acceptable ANYWHERE Sean. Why are there not police there? Simple. Money. Tax dollars are in short supply, not much on the horizon either. Maybe these club owners can hire some private security, but that could cause more problems. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 2942 Registered: 01-2006 |
Definition of A Slow Night In Manhattan's Club Scene: Man, it was so slow, you had to shoot yourSELF. | ||
Sean_of_detroit Member Username: Sean_of_detroit Post Number: 2321 Registered: 03-2008 |
Good point Townonenorth. The reason I asked about the police is because; at 2am on weekends, there are usually police at each intersection between the Fyfe and Gratiot. Where were they that morning? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 5501 Registered: 02-2005 |
Indeed, Izzy...the embarrassing news recently came out. Anyways, I guess there are clubs with weapons-toting people [even pro-athletes] everywhere, although that doesn't make it the least bit okay. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 1467 Registered: 11-2003 |
No amount of cops or private security will fix this particular problem. Frankly, these kinds of clubs need to be shut down. They discourage retail, quality residents, and investment. I don't care what "crowd" it is, if it attracts a violent crowd an ordinance should be passed to shut the doors (or repeal their liquor license, probably easier to accomplish and has the same effect). If club owners have the spectre of real consequences, they won't design nights that attract a violent crowd. And I don't blame the cops.. Although there are issues they can't be everywhere. I've heard no complaints on the response time in this case. | ||
Atwater Member Username: Atwater Post Number: 327 Registered: 09-2007 |
Yes, these clubs need to be SHUT DOWN, or moved- away from Woodward, and really, out of the downtown. Bleu, XS (or Candy Bar, or whatever it's been called), Red Squared, all of them.. | ||
Sean_of_detroit Member Username: Sean_of_detroit Post Number: 2324 Registered: 03-2008 |
Close ALL the clubs? Seriously? That's over simplistic. In this case, the customers don't follow the business; the business follows the customers. Except of course, for Bleu. Bleu is our high end club... They often only sell tickets in the more expensive areas of Oakland County (there is no box office at the door). A shooting at Bleu is like a riot at The Joe or Palace. (Message edited by Sean_of_Detroit on November 30, 2008) | ||
Sparty06 Member Username: Sparty06 Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2007 |
I understand this may not be normal for Bleu but it's incredibly scary to think that walking down Woodward after getting out of a bar gangsters are driving around with guns unafraid of shooting into large crowds. The absolute lack of respect for human life both amazes and scares me. | ||
Sean_of_detroit Member Username: Sean_of_detroit Post Number: 2326 Registered: 03-2008 |
^Exactly. Bleu is an event destination in the Foxtown/Grand Circus Park area. Just like the Fox, Fillmore, or Proof; When Bleu lets out, the police usually treat it as a event. PS: DV, I usually agree, but I think that area is fine for what they normally do (celebrity grade parties, small concerts, fashion shows, and corporate events). Clubs in residential areas, and in our financial district is one thing, but Bleu is in the entertainment/fashion district. (Message edited by Sean_of_Detroit on November 30, 2008) | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 1468 Registered: 11-2003 |
I think actually that this isn't necessarily abnormal for them. When I used to walk by there on the way home from work a couple years ago, there was a shooting, and I seem to recall a shooting outside last year. Not to mention, the clubs on Broadway have violence as reported by Gambling_man here. Maybe I should rephrase. Boot clubs with gun violence. Fistfights are going to happen at bars. Whatever. But guns are simply not acceptable and are a completely different level. Make them responsible for what goes on, and then give them incentive to get rid of those problems so that it's not just about avoiding losing but also getting a benefit. | ||
Wazootyman Member Username: Wazootyman Post Number: 407 Registered: 02-2006 |
Bleu is normally a high-end techno club. I've been there half a dozen times (Armin Van Buuren, KT, Carl Cox, etc) and never had an issue. I understand that there was a hip-hop night somewhere on the block. There has never been a major incident (anywhere near a shooting) at the annual Electronic Music Festival in Hart Plaza. Says a lot. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 9419 Registered: 11-2004 |
Digitalvision, while I applaud your disdain for gun violence, I'm not sure how you can say that the clubs themselves are responsible for the gun violence. And by your logic- how far is their realm of responsibility? The sidewalk? 50 yards? 100 yards? This latest incident happened outside of the club and on the streets. How can the club be held accountable for what happens outside? Now if something happens within the club, I'd say it'd behoove the club to call the police to let them know that they're giving these individuals the boot and if the cops don't mind being around when they're being escorted outside. That might stem some of the violence to the immediate moment but who's to say that these individuals won't take it a block over or on the freeway home? It's a sticky road we travel when we start holding establishments accountable for their patrons' actions. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 2709 Registered: 09-2006 |
Sad thing is I'm pretty sure I saw that Charger, damn shame I didn't see the plates. Bleu allows people under 21 to party there which is partially the reason it is what it is. In like September some guy got hit in the head with an AK round right there on Woodward. And the very next night after this shooting a huge brawl shut down the same club at like 1:30, though the police were there this time swarming all of downtown. I don't mess with the place on a Friday I'd rather go to South Beach or something. | ||
Townonenorth Member Username: Townonenorth Post Number: 406 Registered: 10-2007 |
Fox 2 news had a blurb of a shooting at a strip club on 8 Mile. They said it possibly has something to do with the Bleu shooting. | ||
Sludgedaddy Member Username: Sludgedaddy Post Number: 234 Registered: 01-2008 |
....and now a little nostalgia for the Old Folks...forget all that hipping and hopping and bring back Hot Pants Night...and Mr. Calloway, please check your razor at the door. | ||
Daddeeo Member Username: Daddeeo Post Number: 317 Registered: 09-2008 |
I still remember LBJ saying, "Law and order has broken down in Detroit." That was back in 1967 and many ways, it hasn't changed much since. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 1472 Registered: 11-2003 |
The clubs create events that attract certain crowds. If the club didn't have the kind of entertainment that attracted that crowd, less chance that those gang-banging idiots who shoot people wouldn't be there. I know from friends in DPD that the clubs are used to settle scores with gangs because many times it'll bring key targets in one place as opposed to having to hunt them down. Think of it this way. Your neighbor brings over some rowdy friends who drive over your lawn. It's his guests *and* his fault that your lawn got destroyed, because the ass who ruined your lawn wouldn't be there without them. Currently, Smogboy, as advised by my lawyer, if a business or organization has a party and serves alcohol, if the attendees (regardless of if they're in their employ) get into an accident on the way home from alcohol use, the organization who held the party is held liable, even if it is Detroit and the accident is in Novi. Why should this be any different? |
