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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 684
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:37 pm: |    |
Detroit city itself doesn't need mass transit. Who'd use it? No one. The present bus system is sufficient fir the city needs.
Waterford to Clarkston? That would be good too. |
Rax
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Username: Rax
Post Number: 453
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:39 pm: | |
quote:And now we see why Detroit has exactly jack shit in the way of transit.
People who live in DC and don't understand sarcasm are the reason Detroit has exactly jack shit in the way of transit? |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 685
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:39 pm: | |
Dang, Detroitrise. I never took you for a racist. But I guess you really are one. That's sad. |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2460
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:43 pm: | |
I'm not racist at all, but your whole attitude in this situation is "fuck Detroit".
That doesn't exactly show a selfless man either. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 3213
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:45 pm: | |
quote:Detroit city itself doesn't need mass transit. Who'd use it? No one. The present bus system is sufficient fir the city needs.
Haha, I guess you could say that. It's like saying that your computer doesn't really need a spell check, right? |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 688
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:50 pm: | |
OK. Fine. Let Detroit have a mass transit then. And give me back my spell check. |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 689
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:51 pm: | |
I guess I just don't understand why Detroitrise had to bring race into the discussion. I never said anything about race. There are plenty of white folk who live in Detroit too, ya know. |
Rax
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Username: Rax
Post Number: 455
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:54 pm: | |
I agree. I'm mixed race and I know for a fact my African American neighbors would be completely offended by his/her actions on this discussion board. You can take the cracker out of the suburbs, but.... |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2462
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:54 pm: | |
Ok, I will allow you to explain your side of this...
Why do you feel as if Detroit doesn't deserve mass transit and it must have a Bed Bath & Beyond at the corner of 7 Mile and Woodward to seem attractive? |
Yooper
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Username: Yooper
Post Number: 167
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 1:56 pm: | |
I love Bed Bath & Beyond! Are they building one at the new Gateway Shoppes? |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 691
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:00 pm: | |
Life is all about beds, baths, and going beyond. That's why. |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2464
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:06 pm: | |
Fuck that suburban box store.
Detroit needs people that are willing to face the difficulties in building a better city. |
Yooper
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Username: Yooper
Post Number: 170
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:07 pm: | |
How are we going to face difficulties without 400 thread count sheets? |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 695
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:09 pm: | |
Yooper makes a valid point. |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2466
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:10 pm: | |
"Yooper makes a valid point."
Which is exactly why Detroit can't become a greater city.  |
Yooper
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Username: Yooper
Post Number: 172
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:11 pm: | |
Booooo, Detroitrise! Booooooo!•••• |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2469
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:15 pm: | |
Yeah, we need more Jjabas, and people from the eastside (like me).  |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 697
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:17 pm: | |
YOU are from the east side of my rear end.
;-) |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2472
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 2:20 pm: | |
That's sad Spacemonkey, all you have time to do is offend any and everyone.
We're trying to unite on DetroitYES, not separate. |
Spacemonkey
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Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 699
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 4:38 pm: | |
Untie Detroit? |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2480
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 4:54 pm: | |
How is it possible to untie Detroit
(Message edited by DetroitRise on June 18, 2008) |
D_mcc
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Username: D_mcc
Post Number: 757
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 5:11 pm: | |
Why does Rax attack DaninDC...
Probably one of the more intelligent posters in this particular thread that has any experience using a transit system.
As I stated in another thread...I have no idea why Detroit shouldn't be striving for something like the DC metro...NO IDEA |
Onthe405
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Username: Onthe405
Post Number: 56
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 8:24 pm: | |
"U.S. suburbs are beginning to lose both their advantages & residents"
Piece this morning on GMA:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/u p/player/popup/?cl=8374760
(Message edited by onthe405 on June 18, 2008) |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 7115
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 9:49 pm: | |
The GMA piece is hardly representative. The guy had a 2 1/2 half hour commute for crying out loud. The mortgage crisis has affected about 6% of all loans. They basically had nothing to back up the "ghost burbs claim" other than some nebulous estimate of housing prices going up around train stations over the next 20 years. Of course if that happens it will change the equation again anyway. |
Bigglenlake
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Post Number: 130
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 10:32 pm: | |
PerfectGentleman, you own a home in the Detroit suburbs don't you? How's the value of your home holding up? |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 7117
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 10:48 pm: | |
Not good, the asshole that is running Detroit and the incompetent governor have run the whole joint into the ground. Of course the last thing I would do is move to Detroit.
(Message edited by perfectgentleman on June 18, 2008) |
Classico
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 11:07 pm: | |
Only if we had more Republicans holding positions within our government, would things would be better.
Spacemonkey. Do you ever venture out of the safe confines of suburbia?
(Message edited by classico on June 18, 2008) |
Gmich99
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Post Number: 267
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 2:21 pm: | |
http://finance.yahoo.com/exper t/article/generationdebt/88236 |
W_chicago
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 3:24 pm: | |
"Why do you feel as if Detroit doesn't deserve mass transit and it must have a Bed Bath & Beyond at the corner of 7 Mile and Woodward to seem attractive?"
lol. that would be really horrible.
I love Detroit's lack of chain/corporate stores. I hope it will stay. The last thing I want to see is a bunch of corporate stores that sell sweat-shop made garbage at outrageous prices and care nothing about the city and only about profits. |
Rax
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Post Number: 474
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 4:09 pm: | |
Right on!
I like the sweat shop garbage I can already get at the Family Dollar in Detroit. Has anyone tried the Grapeheads made in Mexico yet? |
Evelyn
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Post Number: 314
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 6:34 pm: | |
I'd like the option of not shopping at big-box stores in Detroit, instead of having the decision made for me.
Besides, that stores are so unwilling to locate inside the city says a lot, and none of it good, about the economy of the area. |
Trainman
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Post Number: 705
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 10:24 pm: | |
Detroit can easily have an awesome mass transit system.
It's easy to do. Just vote NO for the SMART property tax in 2010.
A NO vote only caps the tax thus will not hurt SMART.
It's time to privatize mass transit and get the government out.
Privatization works very well in the transportation industry. The selling of both DDOT and SMART will provide much better service, and lower taxes thus helping to bring back Michigan’s economy. The present transit workers are protected with state and local funds. The resulting attrition will allow many companies to compete which will create thousands of new jobs, encourage new technology, increase the city of Detroit population and tax base and slow down ugly urban sprawl by disqualifying state funding to match federal freeway grants unless we make the drivers pay more first.
A YES vote means more government, fewer jobs and a continued weak economy for Michigan because of the SEMCOG TIP 2030 plan that discourages job growth, promotes urban sprawl and inner city decay.
A NO vote to defeat the SMART property tax is a win for everyone next August 2010 |
Mwilbert
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Post Number: 280
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 10:40 pm: | |
Seems unlikely. Isn't the SMART tax less than one mill? That isn't an argument for the tax, but eliminating it isn't going to have any significant effect on the economy. |
Trainman
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Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2008 - 11:11 am: | |
The city of Livonia pays the highest transit taxes in metro Detroit in relationship to services provided and the same as every other community based on actual costs. It is illegal to cut the taxes paid to SMART or any other provider of essential benefits under federal ADA and Civil Rights laws, thus Livonia residents still pay despite the vote to opt. out of the W.C.T.A.
The SMART Proposal S vote next August 2010 is the alternative to keeping the tax on fuel for community transit and existing mass transit. Thus, this tax can not be defeated but only the increase. This is not understood by many people because the newspapers claim SMART will shut down without your YES vote. This is false propaganda by the government and transit advocates to get the taxpayers to pay higher taxes. A vote NO will not decrease your property taxes or harm present SMART employees. |
Onthe405
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 1:05 pm: | |
This came up again today in today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06 /25/business/25exurbs.html?scp =1&sq=Far%20suburbs&st=cse
According to a recent Moody's study: "In Atlanta, Philadelphia, San Francisco and Minneapolis homes beyond the urban core have been falling in value faster than those within"
" . . house prices in the urban centers of Chicago, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Portland and Tampa have fared significantly better than those in the suburbs." |
Danindc
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Post Number: 4553
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 3:42 pm: | |
^^^Housing prices in the District of Columbia are still rising, while outlying counties--Prince William, VA, in particular--are being clobbered with foreclosures. |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2591
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 3:44 pm: | |
It can't happen here. Detroit is different. Bla bla bla bla bla. |
Danny
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Post Number: 7429
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 4:05 pm: | |
Trainman,
A lot of people voted YES on the 2006 SMART Bus millage and it didn't shut down the SMART busses. It's kept on moving. People will still vote YES on the 2010 SMART bus millage. SMART will keep on moving public transit. There are no other reports that the government is using false propaganda to trick voters. You claim that you want SMART busses to return back to Livonia but you want to vote no for the SMART bus millage. So far your arguments are still NON-SEQUITUR. You're actually providing false propaganda to this forum and most people are ignoring your reasoning.
You can keep to fighting to promote your mythological causes for public transit. Because to me you trying to prove to everyone that the world (your world) is flat. |
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