  Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 265 Registered: 11-2005 |
"Yet Nelson also estimates that in 2025 there will be a surplus of 22 million large-lot homes that will not be left vacant in a suburban wasteland but instead occupied by lower classes who have been driven out of their once affordable inner-city apartments and houses." http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/0 6/16/suburb.city/index.html | ||
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 644 Registered: 03-2006 |
This might be an indication of such: my neighborhood in Rochester Hills was looted during last week's blackouts. In the middle of the night, someone rifled through my garage and car as well as my neighbors'. | ||
Slider Member Username: Slider Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hmm, a completely unsustainable method of building and development is going to fail? Color me surprised. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 2391 Registered: 09-2007 |
My only question is this... Where are all of thse people re-locating to? It sure isn't the inner-city environments if many of our big cities continue to shrink in population. My guess this is just the result of our baby boomers, great depression and WWII kids (who started this) dying off. It will be interesting to see what happens with our next group of boomers (early 90s) | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 2483 Registered: 07-2004 |
It seems every time somebody points out that the unsustainable suburbs are doomed, somebody must immediately to post that it's just a lifestyle trend, that we have to wait and see. Even as gas breaches $4.20 a gallon, hope springs eternal ... | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 266 Registered: 11-2005 |
Is it possible that high gas prices might bring about a revival in the Motor City? What an odd twist of fate that driving less makes the city of automobile manufacturing more attractive. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 2395 Registered: 09-2007 |
That's a fat chance Gmich99. If the suburbanites here ever do get tired of their long expensive trips, they will just start working closer to home, at home, or move out of the region completely. | ||
Detmi7mile Member Username: Detmi7mile Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2007 |
That is interesting. People who work in the city will either have to try to find a new job closer to where they work which is unlikely because the job market is horrible. So the next best thing would be to move closer to where you work. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 700 Registered: 12-2006 |
all urban centers will benefit from this. people will need to be closer to their jobs and even suburban based businesses will be forced to move inward as they won't be able to survive in an auto-centric area like the suburbs (Say goodbye to the business park). | ||
Gotdetroit Member Username: Gotdetroit Post Number: 181 Registered: 12-2005 |
Oddly, from my understanding, Paris is exactly as suggested above. The City being wealthy or middle class, while the suburbs surrounding the city are mostly poor. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 2397 Registered: 09-2007 |
"That is interesting. People who work in the city will either have to try to find a new job closer to where they work which is unlikely because the job market is horrible. So the next best thing would be to move closer to where you work." Yes that's one positive, but think of all the negatives these suburbanites will have to face. (BTW, I'm only speaking for Detroit) -Poor Civic Services -Poor School District -Poor Police Department -Higher Taxes -Urban Blight -Lack of Retail -Assumingly higher crime rates So, why go through all of that hassle when you can just work out of your own bedroom or within a few miles from your home? You'll still have the same lifestyle overall, just little to no commute. Or they can simply re-locate to a region that will benefit them more. (Message edited by DetroitRise on June 16, 2008) | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 7015 Registered: 08-2004 |
Yes but in Paris it was not an organic migration of the poor. It was in the 1850's when Baron Haussmann's relocated the urban poor to the suburbs. This was so that he could demolish 40% of medieval Paris to build wide boulevards and public squares. Those wide boulevards were intentionally made that way so that barricades would be difficult to put up, and the government could get a clear cannon shot of the restive population during times of turmoil. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3199 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: It's like that many places outside of America. Even some places inside of America... | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 420 Registered: 10-2003 |
This is apples and oranges. The article is about California, where gentrification is far more pronounced than in Detroit. The situation described in the story more closely approximates inner-ring suburbs like Eastpointe or Roseville, whose residents are leaving for Macomb Township and New Baltimore, and are being replaced by low-income residents fleeing Detroit. There isn't an either/or choice between Detroit and the suburbs. The choice people are making here in southeast Michigan is between the suburbs and the suburbs. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 2485 Registered: 07-2004 |
Um, when moving goods and people becomes expensive, cities flourish because they require the least movement of goods and people. Think the suburban cubicle farm won't pay the same heavy transportation costs for being out in the boonies? You're going to be able to live in Milford and work in Wixom and everything's going to be just peachy? Not by a long shot, if things keep up the way they are. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 421 Registered: 10-2003 |
The facts speak for themselves - people will pay more for gas and endure longer commutes rather than live in a city where their kids can't go to a decent school or the police never show up to crime scenes. It's pretty simple. As much as those of us who live here might be rah rah Detroit, few families will follow suit, while families here head north to Eastpointe or Clinton Township in droves. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4516 Registered: 10-2003 |
Well, are we finding out that cities were originally established for economic efficiency? The horror! Maybe that's why cities were built the way they were for thousands of years until the post-WWII era. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 701 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hockey Player, Eventually, costs will force people back into cities, and their taxbase will shore up city services. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4517 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: I don't believe that for one moment. Any place where you have to drive to get a loaf of bread will soon be on the endangered species list. | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 422 Registered: 10-2003 |
If you lived here you'd see the reality on the ground. And as Macomb Township fills up, stores like bakeries open to cater to them, as is evident by the boom in commercial construction out there. Meanwhile, places to get a loaf of bread in the city are closing one by one as the people who once bought that bread move north. | ||
Detmi7mile Member Username: Detmi7mile Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2007 |
DetroitRise, Well I guess if people who are in the burbs with all those services were forced to move back, they wouldn't vote in the type of government we have now. They won't stand for it. I truly believe that if Kwame is not kicked out, everybody will vote him right back in. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3200 Registered: 04-2006 |
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Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 646 Registered: 03-2006 |
I agree with hockey_player, I'd pay the extra gas prices and endure the longer commute if it means I can avoid living in a city with terrible schools and city services. It would be worth the extra dough to remain in the suburbs. But the point is moot. There aren't many job opportunities in Detroit city anyway. And there won't be in any foreseeable future. So whatevs. | ||
Rax Member Username: Rax Post Number: 418 Registered: 11-2007 |
Good posts HP. People like DiDC and ElJim don't understand the reality of Detroit proper. Gas going to 10 bucks a gallon isn't going to cause Joe Macomb Township to pack up his family and move to the city. People will move their family out of Michigan before they move to Detroit. | ||
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 648 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ditto what Rax said. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4518 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Well, then you're going to see a lot of people move out of automobile-dependent Michigan. Those who remain will be in an economic wasteland, because no one will have money left after the mortgage, car payment, insurance, and gasoline. People have foreseen this scenario developing for years, but they were always told, "Detroit isn't like other places. People LOVE their cars here. We WANT to live in the suburbs! We DON'T LIKE to walk." Reap the rewards of poor planning. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 2486 Registered: 07-2004 |
I think it is sad that people would post here with a gloating tone of satisfaction that "people will move their family out of Michigan before they move to Detroit." Why is that cause for any pride? Cheap gas and subsidies for housing and freeways helped kill the city. Now that road funds are stretched to the limit, heating costs make large homes unaffordable, and gas rises above $4.20 a gallon, the reverse of suburbanization is a natural economic reality. Very disappointing to see anybody in this region cluck with satisfaction that our local yokels would rather leave the state than invest in our region's core. Frankly, maybe they *should* leave, then. | ||
Rax Member Username: Rax Post Number: 419 Registered: 11-2007 |
People will adjust, and that adjustment won't include moving closer to the city. I'm already seeing 10x more car pooling, work from home options, and people turning in their Expeditions for a hybrid. The gas situation is but a spot of pee on the trouser problems of and entire nation. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 2399 Registered: 09-2007 |
Detroitnerd, we're just stating a sad reality of the matter. The last thing I'd want is for the suburbanite to choose another region over the city of Detroit. However, this goes back to the "Those Terrible Detroiters" thread. Other than gas prices, why would they even think about moving into a city with high taxes and poor services? (Message edited by DetroitRise on June 16, 2008) | ||
Rax Member Username: Rax Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2007 |
And Detroitnerd, I'm not "clucking" and "gloating". It's fucking reality. If you think the typical white bred Metro-Detroit family is going to choose sending their kids to DPS rather than paying 4.20 for a gallon of gas, you're crazy. And if the economic pains continue, these people will leave the region entirely. Look around you, it's already happening. |
