  Rotation_slim Member Username: Rotation_slim Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2005 |
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local /story.aspx?content_id=fdce04e 6-0fb4-4e61-b1f9-acbb5e5394c6 | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 1028 Registered: 08-2005 |
jackpot! r u f*cking kidding me? Detroiters, wake up...these people are bleeding the city dry. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 1884 Registered: 11-2003 |
I really want to know what skills AA brings to the table. hell I need a city job | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 127 Registered: 06-2008 |
Well, I think its safe to say that these people aren't being motivated by a desire to serve the public trust. Detroit has actually managed to create a situation where you have people leaving their jobs in the private sector for much more lucrative jobs in the public sector. This is absurd! But I suppose that when you choose to put thugs and criminals in charge of spending billions of dollars in tax revenue, it should come as no surprise when they choose to reward themselves first. | ||
Pgn421 Member Username: Pgn421 Post Number: 727 Registered: 02-2005 |
along with the DPS people | ||
Bragaboutme Member Username: Bragaboutme Post Number: 379 Registered: 02-2008 |
Are you all just realizing they make this much money?! "Detroit has actually managed to create a situation where you have people leaving their jobs in the private sector for much more lucrative jobs in the public sector. This is absurd!" You can't be serious. Jobs for public officials in any big city make some good money. Think of what New York and Chicago make. The reason I would be outraged is the fact that of the jump in pay. He went from 140,000 to 230,000 now that's a hell of a raise at 64%, Which tells me either he is making the move because of KKs legal troubles, or KK is granting favors before he can no longer grant them. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 7852 Registered: 03-2006 |
I guess it makes sense that a lawyer would know about sewage. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 2756 Registered: 07-2004 |
PG just made me laugh!  | ||
Drankin21 Member Username: Drankin21 Post Number: 269 Registered: 12-2003 |
this really surprises you? nothing that comes out of the CAY Building/City Hall cesspool surprises me anymore. (Message edited by drankin21 on July 23, 2008) | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 1713 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote: How much do you want to bet that the "national search" concludes that the best person for the job is the Interim Director of the DWSD? | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 1885 Registered: 11-2003 |
"You can't be serious. Jobs for public officials in any big city make some good money. Think of what New York and Chicago make. " True enough... but those cities have about 4-10x more people than Detroit. I don't thing the issue is the salary, it's the person earning the salary that is the problem. | ||
Crawford Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 268 Registered: 10-2006 |
Actually, this is false. 230K is outrageous pay for a municipal position, especially in a flat-broke city like Detroit. In NYC, the Commissioners for city agencies (the highest positions outside of mayor) don't make close to 230K. I think it's 160K or 170K. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 1564 Registered: 07-2007 |
Isn't this public information. Why is this all of a sudden a surprise. Think of all the bloated fringe benefits and retirement cash this job must have. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6148 Registered: 10-2003 |
How much does the position of Mayor pay in Detroit? I've also heard that Detroit City Council is one of the highest paid in the country, with some of the best benefits you'll find in any big city. It's hardly confined to Detroit, though. We've got some of the highest paid legislatures and governors in the country. At the end of the day I'm not so much worried by the actual pay they all receive as it's crumbs to the respective municipal and state budgets, but the symbolism is striking. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 245 Registered: 05-2006 |
I don't see the problem; the previous director made $240,000 AA makes $230,000 as an interim director. If AA is doing both jobs (which I doubt) the city would actually be saving money since the deputy mayor was making $140,000. If KK brings in another deputy at somewhere in the $140K range then the whole deal is essentially a wash. Now you may feel everybody is overpaid, but it doesn't seem like KK is going beyond budgeted amounts. | ||
Bvos Member Username: Bvos Post Number: 2287 Registered: 10-2003 |
The big deal here is that Victor Mercado, the former director, had big time experience managing municipal water systems. Anthony Adam's experience with a municipal water system is drinking it and flushing it. So giving someone a salary near Victor Mercado's is saying that he's pretty much as qualified as Mercado. That's a lie. | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 614 Registered: 07-2007 |
"So giving someone a salary near Victor Mercado's is saying that he's pretty much as qualified as Mercado. That's a lie." That's the key point. I know that people don't want to hear about anyone in government making decent money but the person running DWSD is overseeing a massive operation with thousands of employees. In the private sector, that kind of responsibility would come with a heck of a lot more compensation than anyone running DWSD will get, no matter what their experience. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 1508 Registered: 08-2007 |
Novine, with the exception of the Detroit Lions, you don't get hired if you don't have the chops. AA don't have the chops. A manager should be able to tell if one of his employees is blowing smoke up his dress, "Sure Mr. AA we always put the Kranzovator in with the Framise." An experienced manager will know what a Kranzovator is and whether it needs any contact with a Framise, AA doesn't know what he doesn't know so he is relying on his underlings to tell him the truth and to do their jobs and not screw up. And we know that always happens. | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 617 Registered: 07-2007 |
"AA don't have the chops." I'm not saying he does. But for a qualified person, that salary is more than fair. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2856 Registered: 12-2004 |
quote: The ability to repeat Mayor Kilpatrick's talking points with a straight face. That's probably worth more than $230K a year when you think about what most big name Hollywood actors make. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 130 Registered: 06-2008 |
"In NYC, the Commissioners for city agencies (the highest positions outside of mayor) don't make close to 230K. I think it's 160K or 170K." As many of these positions are often staffed by lawyers, you'll find that cities often set these salaries to be comparable to that which a first-year associate at a law firm would make in order to attract these people and make it somewhat easier for them to give up what they would otherwise be earning in private practice. It's just what they have to do to stay competitive. In NYC, market rate for a 25 yo right out of law schools is $160k, which leads me to believe Crawford's numbers are probably correct. But in Detroit, that amount is much smaller...around $105k...and certainly no where near the $230k per year that the city is paying Anthony Adams...many partners at some large law firms don't even earn that much annually. In the past, the common approach has been for municipalities to attract valuable public servants through a combination of paying them a moderate salary while letting that servant's own sense of duty to serve the public make up the rest... Detroit, however, appears to have created a situation that takes the sense of duty out of the equation when a guy like Anthony Adams can come to work for the city and earn A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS per year. (Message edited by thejesus on July 24, 2008) | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 618 Registered: 07-2007 |
How is this comparison appropriate? I'm not defending paying AA $230,000. But paying a qualified person to head DWSD that amount? Why not? | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 1159 Registered: 11-2003 |
Mr. Adams has been installed as an interim director. Doesn't everybody admit, the Mayor's office included, that Mr. Adams would not be under consideration for the permanent position because he does not possess experience in the management of a public utility? If so, Mr. Adams should not be receiving a salary at the same level of the previous director. But it seems that qualifications and experience rarely play a primary role with Mr. Kilpatrick's appointments. Mr. Adams' salary at DWSD is simply a reward for his loyalty. Just another facet of the Family and Friends program. We can probably expect a $30K contribution from Mr. Adams to the Detroit Justice Fund any day now. | ||
Waxx Member Username: Waxx Post Number: 299 Registered: 09-2006 |
I know I'm late to thread but WHAT THE @#$%, MAN?••• I don't even make the average annual salary! Talk about (jerking) Detroit off! | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 1032 Registered: 08-2005 |
Swingline...that is the exact point...why not increase his salary according to the hire min - not the hire max. hire max is for folks at the top of their game. hiring qualifications at any other place require engineering degrees http://www.jobtarget.com/c2/jo b.cfm?site_id=1&jb=4636866&CFI D=44055286&CFTOKEN=ee4042f8589 86f85-55C8DCA3-E801-059D-477C7 B90EE597D67 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wl/jobs/JS_JobSearchDetail?job id=26611506&jobSummaryIndex=0& agentID=&xfeed=1 | ||
Detroitbred Member Username: Detroitbred Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2008 |
simply outrageous....and I bet he's got a gas card too. | ||
Bvos Member Username: Bvos Post Number: 2291 Registered: 10-2003 |
With a Red Navigator to put the gas into. | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 1948 Registered: 02-2006 |
quote: Mayor Daley makes less than Detroit's Deputy Mayor. Daley's salary: $216k Hell, Granholm makes less than Anthony Adams. I think Kwame himself makes less than that. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 1052 Registered: 11-2006 |
Kwame and the Governor are in the 170's I believe. I know the governor makes 177, and I think Kwame is just below her after he took that pay cut | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 248 Registered: 05-2006 |
The salary that AA makes now is more reflective of being the head of a major revenue producing city department and not being deputy mayor. Evidently 230K or thereabouts is the market rate for Water department execs. Kind of like how Rich Rod makes far more as football coach than Ms Coleman makes as President of U of M. | ||
Bragaboutme Member Username: Bragaboutme Post Number: 382 Registered: 02-2008 |
Focus, FocusontheD, AA makes less than ALL you mentioned. AA makes 140,000, when he makes the move it will be a 64% increase to 230,000. I don't see the point you're trying to make. I agree with others on the point of AA not having enough qualifications to be catapulted to the Head of the Water Department. Just think of all the more QUALIFIED people he passed to get that position. The argument I have is what justifies him getting the much of a raise? Is there something I'm missing? Does being Deputy Mayor give you the experience to run every department in the City? |
