Dfd Member Username: Dfd
Post Number: 421 Registered: 09-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 8:16 pm: | |
Here is an article about overturned injunctions that blocked cutbacks. DFD cutbacks Think it'll happen? (Message edited by Dfd on July 29, 2008) |
Mschievous Member Username: Mschievous
Post Number: 128 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 8:50 pm: | |
Yeah, he's pissed at all city employees now. He'll layoff everyone BUT friends, family and EPU |
Ggores Member Username: Ggores
Post Number: 226 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 9:13 pm: | |
This guy, Kwame... all of them... horrible, shameful, and disgusting. But don't worry folks, they're all working to appease the masses, placate the masses, and next summer, we'll have many more enduring discussions about making money. The trend has already begun. And by that time I'll be gone. Just play people out and you'll be amazed at how many breathe a sigh of relief. Therefore, I am angry at the susceptilbility and ... no more needs said. |
Retroit Member Username: Retroit
Post Number: 343 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 1:33 pm: | |
How does a city determine the proper size of its fire and police forces? Is it based on population, number of calls, time to respond, etc.? Is there a formula? How would a resident that is not in these services know whether or not they should support the hiring or laying-off of firefighters or police officers? |
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 1092 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 1:47 pm: | |
perhaps based on the fact that response time, if at all, is 5 hours |
Retroit Member Username: Retroit
Post Number: 345 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 1:51 pm: | |
Good point! |
Maddog Member Username: Maddog
Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 3:23 pm: | |
I can tell you that the Detroit Fire Department has the best response time out of all three departments. (FIRE/POLICE/EMS). The problem is its so busy and there are often times fire Companies responding from very long distances due to Fire companies that have alrighty been Deactivated or temporally closed due to manpower. And I will tell you that you are getting the BEST and Most Aggressive fire service from the Detroit Firefighters in the country from one of the TOP busiest fire departments in the country. The Detroit Firefighters will fight more working fires than most firefighters will ever see. There out everyday and everynight (and sometimes all day and all night) risking life for a senseless Vacant Dwelling Fire.... Here is an interesting link for those of you that are interested: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080422/M ETRO/804220377 Dennis (Message edited by maddog on July 30, 2008) |
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican
Post Number: 692 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 3:35 pm: | |
^^^^Amen to that Maddog. |
Dfd Member Username: Dfd
Post Number: 426 Registered: 09-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 5:23 pm: | |
Thanks Maddog. |
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 1096 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 5:36 pm: | |
you're right maddog. I admire the DFD - we just need more of em and more money for them |
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher
Post Number: 1332 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 10:53 am: | |
If I have my info correct, DFD is one of FEW fire departments that fight fires from INSIDE buildings. Most others stay outside, unless there are people trapped. God Bless our DFD and their families. This is one service that should NOT be facing layoffs and cutbacks. |
Dfd Member Username: Dfd
Post Number: 433 Registered: 09-2004
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 11:25 am: | |
Do the folks making these cutback decisions live near a closed firehouse? |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 731 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:04 pm: | |
What they are doing to the fire department (and other departments) is a tragedy. They won't be happy until we have to bury a few good firefighters. I'm just glad my dad retired when he did. |
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican
Post Number: 700 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:14 pm: | |
El_jimbo, you are right. I have a close relative on the department right now. He never gets an hours rest at night and the fires are getting harder to put out and they are much more frequent. In a firehouse that never turned a wheel as few as 30 years ago, this house now is the busiest in the country. We are in constant fear of him getting hurt or worse when he's working. I can't understand why people want to burn up their own neighborhoods. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 732 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:21 pm: | |
Buyamerican, who knows why. Loss of hope, desperation, boredom, lots of things can lead people to do crazy things like that. It doesn't make it right. I just hope nobody has to pay the price for their "fun". |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 1782 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:32 pm: | |
If anything, Detroit needs more police and fire than what population numbers would suggest. I am certain that all of the empty buildings cause a lot more problems than a similar sized city with much fewer of them. I can recall several years ago talking to a friend's dad who was called into the Hudson's Dept store to put out a fire that was started several floors up by vagrants. I really have to tip my hat to them, they are willing to risk their lives to go into these structures and fight stuff that they would not have to go into if they worked in a suburban location. This stuff tears at me personally as I know lots of police and fire personnel. I grew up in an environment that encouraged public service to Detroit as it was our home. I also love old buildings and as much as I would hate to admit it, I'd rather see them leveled than to allow them to sit and be potential traps for police, fire, or spots where young girls walking to school could be raped. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 733 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:35 pm: | |
Could there be a "quick fix" solution to the problem. To me, it seems that the city is mired in red tape and overstaffing in administrative functions. Would it be possible with proper training and improved computers and software to eliminate large chunks of the administrative staffing throughout city government and with the cost savings hire more police, fire, and other "on the street" city employees to provide city services? |
Dfd Member Username: Dfd
Post Number: 557 Registered: 09-2004
| Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 6:57 pm: | |
This is from Detroitfirefighters.net "Hey guys- Just wanted to give you an update. Many of us were talking to Dan McNamara at Chief Chemotti's last work day party last night(Congratz Chief!). Dan said that the City said they are NOT going through with the 2005 restructuring plan, which included demotions, company closing, battalion restructuring, and layoffs. The Union is meeting with the City, I believe he said on 8/27, so we should know their intentions then. Also, the Union is expecting a decision on the contract by the end of the week, hopefully. Still nothing in stone, but that info came straight from Dan, instead of the usual rumor mill. Stay safe out there-" |
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision
Post Number: 1150 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 11:09 pm: | |
So many fires in the city are started by ignorants. I know a few legit property owners who aren't slumlords, and they have pretty regular problems with tenants who are in a dead heat for the Darwin award. |