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Fareastsider
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the Detroit Olympics thread there is a Youtube link to the 1967 Olympic bid videos.
The link to the Detroit olympic videos on Youtube I have seen. On the similar video list I watched the Safety Patrol video from 1937.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =k87ngcACTRs
In the video at 7:00 they go through an underpass which was discussed at some point before on this site. Wondering if it was the same one I found it again at Cortland and 2nd in HP. Sure enough it was, as it is probably the only one ever built. It is interesting to see it then and know that it still exists today but im sure it is covered up. You can see the school in the background though there is an addition on it now so it looks differently but the school is vacant if I remember correctly.
In the video they go into a building which is the same shape at the same corner in 1949.
http://techtools.culma.wayne.e du/media/wayne/1949/ha-4-94.pd f
Now that block has been replaced by Cortland Elementary. I also wonder how many violations that the Safety Patrol would find today in a lawless area like Highland Park!
Was there a big push for this plan or does anyone know anything about these odd and im sure very expensive pedestrian safety feature?
This guy on Youtube who posted the video has some interesting old time Detroit videos.
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Swede1934
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fareastsider..I went back and forth through that underpass many times. I started school at that school, known then as Ferris Elementary. Second was a lot busier then, and that underpass made it a lot safer to cross. Also, there was a penny candy store on Cortland,just beyond second, and kid being kids, we had to get there for our candy treats during the lunch break.
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the video they stop at a sweet shop on the corner! Watch it and see if its the same one.
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Swede1934
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Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That picture of the school is definitely Ferris, I recognise the concrete stairs down to the playground. That candy store just might be the same one, it sure looks like it.
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Took a look at the underpass today actually its all sealed up. Ferris school looks like a bomb hit it. I always get depressed at how well older buildings were built compared to today. So much attention to detail. It is depressing to see such a city go to waste. If it can happen to Highland Park or Detroit it can happen anywhere? Thanks for sharing Swede.
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Richard_bak
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oops. I thought the thread said something about see-through underpants. My bad.
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Detroithabitater
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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 2:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would imagine that it would be difficult to keep water/ice out of it. I remember seeing it 2 years ago and being very interested. Was 2nd ever really that busy of a street anyhow?
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Aoife
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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was also once an underpass, or a "subway" as they called it then, at Cass and Peterboro.
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Bearinabox
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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Was 2nd ever really that busy of a street anyhow?

According to my dad, who grew up on the NW side in the 50s and 60s, 2nd was his family's pre-expressway route out of downtown, and it moved pretty fast then. I guess that was before Highland Park put in stop signs at every other intersection. I use it sometimes myself, but I cut over to Hamilton somewhere between W. Chicago and the Highland Park border.
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Jgavrile
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Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was another underpass at Second & Pilgrim Going to Ford School on the North side of Highland Park too.
Swede1934, I can't remember the name of the candy store on Cortland?
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Ray1936
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Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Before 1970, Second was a one way street going North through Highland Park, and Third was one-way going south. Lights were timed for about 45 mph, so traffic moved at a pretty good clip.

Then, around forty years back, the city fathers of HP decided those two streets were like canyons barricading the neighborhoods, so they changed the plan to make both two-way streets with no coordination on the traffic lights. Since the Lodge was done by then, it was no big thing as the Lodge had siphoned off most of the traffic anyway.
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Gnome
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Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 3:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Peterboro and Cass subway from WSU virtual library. No date on the pic, but it looks like late winter sometime in the mid-1930's

subway
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Strange to see such huge, wide-open barren fields in Detroit even in 1937.
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Jgavrile
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Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 12:57 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Before 1946, Brush and John R were two way streets. They were made one way to ease traffic. Now they are back to two way streets again
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Jgavrile
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Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Before 1946, Brush and John R were two way streets. They were made one way to ease traffic. Now they are back to two way streets again.
I know this as in 1946 my folks were hit head on by a drunk teenager going too fast on the wrong side of the street,at Buena Vista and John R. Put my Mother in the hospital for almost 1 1/2 years.
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Hamtragedy
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Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 1:19 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An old timer in Hamtramck told me there was one at Holbrook & Campau.
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56packman
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Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 8:36 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the cities had gone crazy installing the pedestrian underpasses (maybe as a WPA blitz) they would be full of garbage today.
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Dinnc
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Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For someone who was born in 1981 all I can say is, WOW!! To see these videos of Detroit Proper with bustling streets and buildings that aren't destroyed makes me want to see this city become what it used to be. (I was referring to the city on the move videos.) I had no Idea that Detroit was trying to get the Olympic games in 1968.
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Oldestuff
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Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 1:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dinnc: get a copy of "Stranded at the Corner"
it's all about Tiger Stadium and there is reference to the 1968 Olympics and it will benefit the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy - I know there are copies for sale at Brooks Lumber
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Douglasm
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Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bearinabox's Dad was right about 2nd and 3rd. They were the easy way to get to the Fisher Building from Ferndale. Faster than Woodward with less lights....
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Iheartthed
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Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow @ that pic of the old Burton International building. I taught at a volunteer program in that building.

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