  Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 1386 Registered: 09-2004 |
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20081022/NEWS06/ 81022035 Don't worry, we'll catch up once Chrysler goes under. That should be worth a few percentage points. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 1008 Registered: 08-2006 |
It seems our conditions in Michigan are about 3 years ahead of the rest of the country, now they are catching up elsewhere. Hope we get a rebound first. | ||
Staticstate Member Username: Staticstate Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2008 |
I remember when the AMC plants were closing down in Kenosha Wisconsin back in the late 80's when I was in high school the feeling of panic we all had. Hopefully all of this mess turns around pretty quickly for everyone. | ||
Higgs1634 Member Username: Higgs1634 Post Number: 716 Registered: 10-2005 |
quote: If past recessionary cycles are a guide, we'll rebound last and least. Michigan (and heavy manufacturing states) lead into recessions and lag coming out. Unless we change what we do and how we do it here, we'll likely remember these as the 'good ole days'. | ||
Hamtramike Member Username: Hamtramike Post Number: 530 Registered: 12-2003 |
In the past, the local economy recovered when people went back to the jobs they once had. Those jobs will not exist for them to return to. I think the rebound is gonna take a little longer this time around, locally anyway. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 816 Registered: 02-2007 |
Detroit will become a ghost town and southeast Michigan will be devastated by the job loss. Pennsylvania experienced the same thing when the steel industry fell to the foreign companies. Michigan is done, the jobs are done, the economy is in the crapper. Too bad that no one paid attention when it really mattered. WHAT YOU DRIVE, DRIVES AMERICA! OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN. | ||
Evander Member Username: Evander Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2008 |
where was the shirt on your back made, buyamerican? | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 2730 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "where was the shirt on your back made, buyamerican?" Better yet, where can one buy an American made shirt? Blame our govt for making ridiculous trade deals and enabling retailers to flood the markets with imported goods. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3561 Registered: 04-2006 |
>where was the shirt on your back made, buyamerican? Or the TV on which he watches Toyota commercials. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5459 Registered: 06-2004 |
We need the China policy: if you want to sell here you need to manufacture here. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 2085 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Here, http://www.unionplus.org/union -made.cfm Here, http://www.unionmadeclothing.c om/ Here, http://www.justiceclothing.com /thereis/justice/ Here, http://www.theunionshop.org/ Here, http://www.unionlabel.com/ Here, http://www.shopunionmade.org/ Here, http://www.allamericanclothing .com/ Any more Googling you need done, sstash? | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 2732 Registered: 02-2007 |
Bobby, In your simplistic way of thinking, there is no way you could have understood the broader idea I was trying to project. You are forgiven.  Walk into any mainstream retailer Walmart et al, and try to buy something American made. Again, you probably can. Think bigger Bobby. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 2088 Registered: 10-2003 |
If you had asked the question you wanted to ask in the first place, you wouldn't need to clarify yourself. Instead, you asked where can one buy American made clothing. I answered it. quote: If you can walk into Wal-Mart and buy American clothing, then you're answering your own question, now aren't you? How about you just say, "Sorry for asking a stupid question" and we'll move on. I'll even let you slide on the fact that there are no stupid questions, just stupid people that ask questions. Oh, and by the way, if you were to actually look for American made clothes in a retail store, you would find them. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 8945 Registered: 10-2003 |
Don't forget http://americanapparel.net/ And for those who like the brick & mortar experience, there is one in Royal Oak. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 2089 Registered: 10-2003 |
Easy there, Johnlodge. You don't want to risk raising sstash's ire by answering his own stupid question. No need to get in the line of fire, I'll take this one for the team. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 2733 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "If you had asked the question you wanted to ask in the first place, you wouldn't need to clarify yourself." Translation: If you would have kept it simple, I could have understood it, and I wouldn't have to display how anal I am and engage in a childish rant. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 817 Registered: 02-2007 |
"where was the shirt on your back made, buyamerican?" Unfortunately you don't have many choices when purchasing a shirt or a pair of sneakers. But you DO have a choice when purchasing a large item like an automobile. Second to purchasing a home, an automobile is about the largest purchase you will make in your lifetime. Sometimes it's an even bigger purchase if you buy new cars every three years. Every dime of profit from purchasing an American Big 3 automobile remains in the U.S. Not one dime of profit from Honda or Toyota stays here. I will purchase American products when I find them for as long as I can, that includes American automobiles. All the useless analogies that you make are lame. WHAT YOU DRIVE, DRIVES AMERICA! OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 2090 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Seems like a pretty straight-forward question to me. A stupid question, and one that took a 10 second Google search, but a straight-forward one. Maybe I should have taken the initiative to interpret what you really meant. I guess next time you ask a stupid question, and you will, I'll just give you the answer I think you were really looking for. How's that sound? | ||
Eastsidedame Member Username: Eastsidedame Post Number: 592 Registered: 12-2006 |
Even Barack Obama couldn't find an American made baseball cap when he wanted one. It should not cost the consumer less to buy goods made from what's essentially slave labor, than to buy from honest working people and companies trying to employ them. I'm surprised this doesn't seem to bother freedom-loving Americans. Bring back truly free trade, make conditions desirable for American manufacturing to flourish, then start talking about buying American. Our country cannot and will not survive on service industries alone. It's not enough just to buy American when in an extreme number of cases, there is no American-made option. Small businesses (and those who grow into large ones) will benefit Detroit for years to come. Our leaders need to make the city an attractive, no-brainer choice in which to start a business in America. Even Ford was once a small business, you know. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 2634 Registered: 07-2007 |
Obama's policies with higher taxes and more cafe regulation will surely help the auto indi. | ||
Russix Member Username: Russix Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2006 |
^"I'm surprised this doesn't seem to bother freedom-loving Americans." America is a society divided on many many lines and ultimately an American is only really interested in their own self preservation and not society as a whole. Do people really care when they buy foreign goods made by workers earning a fraction of what an american use to earn? NO, its only important for them to buy something that closely fits the pocket book and preserve themselves. Check out this cool site to give you a global perspective on World Minimum Wage: http://news.yahoo.com/page/min imum_wage | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 818 Registered: 02-2007 |
"It's not enough just to buy American when in an extreme number of cases, there is no American-made option." In this case there was and still is an option, BUY AMERICAN. When the auto industry began to falter, the economy in Michigan went into the crapper. The oil prices and the mortgage crisis came after. There has been a trickle down effect and not only are the Big 3 the ones suffering but the small businesses that supplied the auto industry with parts is suffering, the restaurant on the corner is suffering, the barber, the dry cleaners and a host of other small Mom and Pop businesses are suffering. I can't say it enough... WHAT YOU DRIVE, DRIVES AMERICA! | ||
Detx Member Username: Detx Post Number: 190 Registered: 07-2007 |
"When the auto industry began to falter, the economy in Michigan went into the crapper. The oil prices and the mortgage crisis came after. There has been a trickle down effect and not only are the Big 3 the ones suffering but the small businesses that supplied the auto industry with parts is suffering, the restaurant on the corner is suffering, the barber, the dry cleaners and a host of other small Mom and Pop businesses are suffering." It seems as if Michigan only exists to make cars. Shame on Michigan leadership for not doing enough to diversify the Michigan economy over the decades. And for pandering so much to the Big 3 as to be blind to other growth areas. Now we are desperate, and everyone else in American knows it. | ||
Vivadetroit Member Username: Vivadetroit Post Number: 84 Registered: 04-2008 |
The auto industry itself is to blame. It has pandered to the oil cartels for way too long and not even thought about alternatives to oil. The Big 3 rolled out "flex-fuel" vehicles in 2006 (model yr 2007) and claimed it was NEW technology. They're pulling a fast one on America - Ford and GM both have had flexfuel cars in Brazil since 2003. If they had rolled out the flex fuel vehicles in 2003, people would have bought new cars to take advantage of this technology and maybe we wouldn't be in this situation. What Michigan needs to do is develop new alternative energy sources. Gas prices are going to climb again, so let's use the brainpower in our state to create new technology. Instead of complaining, let's get off our butts and do something about this problem. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 2662 Registered: 11-2007 |
Just a mention, that alternative vehicles have been around for over a hundred years. Yet somehow we have been suckling on oil for way too long. We have not learned a thing in 100 years. I mentioned the 1918 Detroit Electric in another thread, and then this link - ST. LOUIS - A century ago, Henry Ford's Model T was the first flexible-fuel vehicle, running on gas, ethanol or both, and the automaker foretold the future when he said fuel could be gotten from fruit, weeds, sawdust, or anything else that could be fermented. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15 233556/ | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5462 Registered: 06-2004 |
"The Big 3 rolled out "flex-fuel" vehicles in 2006 (model yr 2007)" don't know what rock you've been under but this recent era's round of flex-fuel vehicles started coming out in the 1990s (Message edited by lilpup on October 22, 2008) | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 2663 Registered: 11-2007 |
My 2000 Chevy S-10 missed the flex-fuel production schedule by days. It took a lot of VIN# searches online to find out. Damn! | ||
Evander Member Username: Evander Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2008 |
excuses, excuses Buyamerican. I guess I shouldn't expect a man of your singular vision to only wear clothing made in the united states, eat food grown by local farmers, refuse to shop at Wal-Mart etc., and watch a 60-year-old tube television made in the USA. Otherwise you wouldn't be such an obvious hypocrite. you can keep your bumpersticker slogans. I'll keep my toyota. | ||
Vivadetroit Member Username: Vivadetroit Post Number: 85 Registered: 04-2008 |
hey Lil - what kind of cars are you referring to? Ones that take e-85 or diesel?? Just curious | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5464 Registered: 06-2004 |
E85 |
