  Cub Member Username: Cub Post Number: 1080 Registered: 02-2007 |
So, not only did the hockey players not call the police, but they were so unconcerned with a dead human corpse, they still played the game. And I won't let the homeless guys of either. They could have gone to Michigan Ave. and flagged down a patrol car. Talk about APATHY!!! I am so sick of this BS. When are we going to wake up. Some of these SOB's will never get it. I am starting to feel that some of these fools need to be put on a deserted island by themselves. Yes i am am dead serious. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 5906 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jeez, Fishwrap, do you keep a photo of LeDouche on your wall, in his everpresent ski-hat? | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2277 Registered: 08-2007 |
exactly fishwarp. I like Leduff. If you don't like him, I guess there's always Edgar Guest you can re-read. Personally, I'd rather flunk the Wasserman test Than read a poem by Edgar Guest. (Message edited by gnome on January 29, 2009) | ||
Michmeister Member Username: Michmeister Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2006 |
Sounds like a case of negligent homocide, to me. Just how much can this Matty Moroun get away with? | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1215 Registered: 12-2003 |
Good line, Gnome. I saw a book of Guest's poems at John King's, maybe a gift can be arranged... | ||
Ptero Member Username: Ptero Post Number: 186 Registered: 12-2005 |
Nice raccoon hat, Charlie... | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5194 Registered: 06-2004 |
Michmeister, that's the type of thinking needed. How to get things changed instead of constantly dwelling on and rubbernecking at the carnage. Recognize the problem; Develop a practice; Continue until the problem is gone. A solutions practice needs to be developed. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 880 Registered: 11-2003 |
Don't see where Mr. LeDuff is the problem here. Yes, he may never win a Pulitzer, and a few of his Roundtable videos have been completely useless due primarily to his inept questioning, but this story is capable, indeed compelling, reporting. One wonders if his editor will allow him to follow up on a story about the deceased once he is identified. | ||
Eastsideal Member Username: Eastsideal Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2007 |
This story certainly needed to be brought out. But I could really do without most of LeDuff's self-dramatizing. It gets very tiresome very fast, and also makes a confusing mush of the story itself. He's sort of a savant's Mitch Albom. This story is sad and troubling enough in its own right, and didn't really need to be subjected to LeDuff's look-at-me crusading reporter act. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1678 Registered: 05-2005 |
yes, absolutely, the real issue here is the writer of the fucking story. nevermind the dead person or the army of homeless people, who happen to be living in a building owned by the city's biggest absentee property owner. | ||
Eastsideal Member Username: Eastsideal Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2007 |
That's my point. That's the story Charlie outlined, but didn't really tell. Instead we got cool urban hard-boiled reporter dude with all of that as a sad background. Moroun gets a mention and a little sideswipe, but not much else. | ||
Johnberk Member Username: Johnberk Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2003 |
Who, exactly, is guilty of “constantly dwelling on and rubbernecking at the carnage” ?? You can’t really say it’s the media. There were several homicides this week that barely got mentioned in the media at all. A body found in front of the Detroit Yacht Club, with 2 bullets to the head got 4 sentences in the Detroit News, and as far as I’m aware, no mention by any other media outlet (or on this board) at all. While a bus driver from Monroe was in Detroit to plan his father’s funeral, he was killed in front of his sister’s house on Nardin Park. This got a brief mention in the Monroe News, but was ignored by the Detroit media and this board. And a 17 year old was killed yesterday on the West side (Tireman & Schaefer) and no mention of it in the media or DY at all. These are just a few over the past couple of days that come to mind. Meanwhile, during the same time period, the most popular thread on Detroit-Yes is entitled “Four Days to Eat in Detroit, help me plan”. This hardly sounds like “constantly dwelling on and rubbernecking at the carnage.” (Message edited by johnberk on January 29, 2009) | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 9235 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Where'd you hear about it? | ||
Tk65 Member Username: Tk65 Post Number: 113 Registered: 12-2007 |
There used to be a video on youtube called "Urbex Hockey League", filmed in the flooded basement of a Detroit building. Now its gone...... | ||
Johnberk Member Username: Johnberk Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2003 |
Johnlodge, I was standing in line at the post office & people in line were talking about it. Have seen nothing on the news. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3686 Registered: 04-2006 |
My personal quip about Mr. LeDuff's articles is that they always come across as condescending... As does most media articles about poor Detroit, so he isn't alone. IRC, Mr. LeDuff is not currently a Detroit resident, and as far as I know he has never been one. I think the people who live in Detroit (or have lived in Detroit within the past 20 years) already know how it is there. Detroiters don't need some reporter to come in and enlighten them about the situation. I think we've seen this show before. (Heck, the infamous "Detroit is burning" Nightline segment was made over 20 years ago.) So what is Charlie trying to achieve other than to be another "this is me mocking you" voice in an oversaturated market? Even with this story, a story with which he could've gotten deep into the heart of why Detroit looks as it does, he spends more time mocking overworked city services providers than criticizing billionaire property owners who let their property become abandoned eyesores. Wasn't Charlie LeDuff the same reporter who just weeks ago wrote an overall positive profile of Matty Maroun? | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 527 Registered: 08-2008 |
I'm surprised that most of the outrage here is aimed at Charlie LeDuff rather than at the asshole hockey players who have so fucking little regard for human life that they kept playing hockey and just ignored the corpse. That is the most hard-hearted, disgusting thing I have ever heard. | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 1390 Registered: 05-2008 |
I am deeply saddened by the picture. This body was once someone's child. | ||
Canuckr Member Username: Canuckr Post Number: 59 Registered: 02-2005 |
"I'm surprised that most of the outrage here is aimed at Charlie LeDuff rather than at the asshole hockey players who have so fucking little regard for human life that they kept playing hockey and just ignored the corpse. That is the most hard-hearted, disgusting thing I have ever heard" Wow.. Alittle harsh? Dont belive everything you read.. Maybe only a couple people discovered the body and the majority of the group had no clue? Maybe the body was in other part of the building, far away (out of sight) where everyone was? Maybe the people that found the body were too much in shock to say something about it? I know what to believe | ||
Thafuzz Member Username: Thafuzz Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2008 |
I'm surprised that most of the outrage here is aimed at Charlie LeDuff rather than at the asshole hockey players... I'm surprised that you're surprised (being the DY veteran you are.) Lilpup's comments make me want to stab myself in the eye with a fork. LeDuff did his job as a reporter and reported the news - I don't need him to be a Teddy Bear for an Adult(C) and tell me what to do about it. | ||
Cub Member Username: Cub Post Number: 1081 Registered: 02-2007 |
Well Canuck please give me some hope and tell me what to believe. You say shock? Did the couple of people stay for the hockey game after their shock? Did they leave the building without saying a word to anyone? Tell us what you believe. | ||
Andyguard73 Member Username: Andyguard73 Post Number: 297 Registered: 03-2006 |
At least LeDuff called the police... | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 180 Registered: 10-2006 |
Whats going on here?? Finding dead bodies at various locations in the city is commonplace, back in the 70s I worked for Northern Engineering, what we thought was a bum sleeping in the parking lot was actually a victim of street justice or a crime, the back of his head was blown off and the body dumped. No mention in the Freep or Detnews at that time. This is Detroit. | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 528 Registered: 08-2008 |
Thanks Cub. Canuckr, they were so in shock that they couldn't call the police? But they weren't in so much shock that they couldn't finish playing hockey. If it was only a couple that discovered the body and not the whole group, that the number decreased from the whole group to only two doesn't change the fact that those two then are still "asshole hockey players who have so fucking little regard for human life that they kept playing hockey and just ignored the corpse." And no, I don't think that's too harsh. If I could tell them that in person I would. | ||
Paulc Member Username: Paulc Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2005 |
Lodgedodger: "I am deeply saddened by the picture. This body was once someone's child." Well stated. IMHO the action or inaction of the hockey players or one's criticism of journalism is not the issue here. LMichigan hit the nail on the head in Post #4041. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 753 Registered: 11-2003 |
I am with you there dtown lady | ||
Thefishwrap Member Username: Thefishwrap Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2008 |
Gravity, Eastside: I understand where you are coming from on that, and kind of agree with you. I'm guessing it's kind of difficult to tell the story without mentioning how he got involved, etc. though. I do hope he does follow-up work here, and I expect that. | ||
Townonenorth Member Username: Townonenorth Post Number: 741 Registered: 10-2007 |
So much for the alleged "code" of urban adventurers. I guess that code must mean "what happens here, stays here". | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2915 Registered: 01-2004 |
The area where hockey was played was down in the basement. The area where the body was found in the shaft is accessible from the main level on the opposite side of the building. Canuckr speaks the truth, do not trust everything you read. Note that the APs national articles wont touch the part about the hockey players because it is unsourced and besides the point. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200 90129/ap_on_re_us/frozen_body;_ylt=AlW.n7T1IsdHIEIlZiM1PMNv zwcF The open building, the open elevator shafts, the homeless squatters, the billionaire owner, the piles of abandoned school supplies, the mountains of personal student records still dumped in the building containing SS#s and mental histories, the lethargic response from police - ALL of these things outstrip anything about people playing hockey in the same building. That part of the story died out because it isnt exactly true, and was based on flimsy hearsay. The guys that used to play hockey down there would have called THE POLICE anonymously - not the freakin DETROIT NEWS. That right there should tell everybody that this part of the story is not right. When they found the dead body in the Carlton it wasnt a big sensation, but then there was no Leduff selling the story like soapflakes either. Or in MCS. etc. Dont believe everything you read. Damn straight. | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 296 Registered: 08-2004 |
LMichigan isn't alone in wondering how long "this building will remain so widely open to the public? Isn't it far past time the city confronted Matty, already?" This from the Sweet Juniper local blog by Jim and 'Wood,' "Two people raising their kids in the most dangerous city in America": quote: |
