  Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2927 Registered: 01-2004 |
"This whole thing reminds me of the movie "Stand by Me". " agreed ! | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2928 Registered: 01-2004 |
glad to see the conspiracy theories are still glowing red hot this morning. whos fault is it today ? somebody here knows something they arent talking about, dammit. waitaminute wait a MINUTE - WHERES MY MYSPACE PHOTO ?! oh, there it is.. I thought it was deleted during the night. lol | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1123 Registered: 11-2003 |
CL on NPR http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=1000274 56 | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 307 Registered: 08-2004 |
1. I'm with GravityMachine in wondering why some forumers focus on "arguing sematics and infinitesimal discrepancies in the story." 2. I salute Rhymes for stepping up with a record-correction and e-apology. 3. This ardent Moroun critic admires CJD's sense of balance in saying "there's a lot to fault MM for, but I don't quite see the connection with trying to hang him on a pole for this." 4. I can't imagine what motivates attorney Wood's persistent attacks on the messenger. True, Charlie didn't hesitate to tell readers he was a player in this event . . . but: * He didn't place the body there. * Nothing beyond assumptions indicates he made up descriptions of any events that followed the tip he got. {*} A strong quote putting the tale in context comes from fire Capt. Emma McDonald: "Every time I think I've seen it all, I see this." * He quotes and names squatters aged 38 and 47. Anyone besides Wood think those details are made up by "a presumer"? * He reports a revealing State of the City '09 detail I hadn't known: quote:How does that fit the Charlie-as-hero rap? Please tell us what's got your goat, Wood? (Uh, no offense, Goat. Unfortunate figure of speech.) Seriously now, this is another ad hominem attack based on facts not in evidence: quote:It was a news-feature, not a breaking news or 'hard news' report, which looked at how some Detroiters live and die downtown in 2009 . . . . . . and what happens when a frozen corpse in a tough-to-find spot is reported. The fact that it's widely discussed here and elsewhere, and receiving Day Two coverage in both dailies, says more about the impact than the claim by Mr. 'Wood' that "it's lousy news reporting." I believed your "sorry to be a prick" note yesterday, Counselor, but now I wonder . . . | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 5907 Registered: 02-2004 |
There are a few people left who actually care about the quality of information that we get in this poor damn city. That story did not belong on the front page, not in the form is ran, with CLD being part of the story. It became more offensive when the corpse was lovingly displayed. The Detroit News has entered tabloid-ville, I hope you like it, RC, because that's what we're going to have from now on. | ||
Townonenorth Member Username: Townonenorth Post Number: 745 Registered: 10-2007 |
I'd dissagree with your assessment Oldredfordette. I think it was entirely appropriate to put it where it was displayed. Tacky? Sure, but it sure as hell got people's attention. I think of it as a wake up call to the city, and to the region in general. No more business as usual. | ||
Thefishwrap Member Username: Thefishwrap Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2008 |
Downtown_lady: No, I'm not LeDuff or part of either newspaper. Just very interested in this story. I've lurked around here forever and just started posting when it interested me. I was called out earlier for 'loving LeDuff' or something, but I'll be first to admit that I really like LeDuff's reporting. It's unlike anything that is happening in Detroit right now. But this whole police run/him reporting he was there, gives me suspicions about the reporting on this story. It's going to be fascinating how this all plays out, I think. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2282 Registered: 08-2007 |
Good post RC, but is there any way a lawyer can't be a prick? It kind of comes with the gig. Be a lawyer, be a prick. Prickdomness is a resume builder. A lawyer is either a big prick or a dumb prick, but prick none-the-less. You hire lawyers for their prickness. Whenever I hear a lawyer say, "sorry to be a prick" I think of a wolf apologising for eating meat. Isn't Wood another name for a ..., nah, too easy. | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1223 Registered: 12-2003 |
That photo was no more "lovingly displayed" than the one of the frightened nine-year-old Vietnamese girl running nude and screaming down a road after being napalmed in 1972. That photo ran on front pages of newspapers, caused a frenzy of reaction, won the Pulitzer and led to widespread disgust -- and action -- over the war in Vietnam. Here it is, in case anyone's forgotten: http://www.peace.ca/kimstory.h tm | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 754 Registered: 11-2003 |
Maybe the simplist of solutions to this whole thing is for the Police to just do their job, stay out of other people's property, bums get a job, hockey players find an outdoor pond or a rink and don't kill anyone. Easy enough. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3690 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Well... Don't know if you all read the Freep this morning, but they threw in a sly swipe at Mr. LeDuff. LeDuff claimed that the police didn't show up for nearly 2 days, when in fact the records show that the police responded within 15 minutes of his first call: quote: http://freep.com/article/20090 130/NEWS01/901300321/Records++ Cops+responded+to+call+on+froz en+body Sensationalize much? | ||
Davemarc Member Username: Davemarc Post Number: 152 Registered: 06-2008 |
When did the photog take the picture then?They should have been able to give pretty good directions,if they went in and took the pic.There's a diffrence in,go look in a building to,in the front door go to the main shaft lower level to the left.Something is odd.... | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3691 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: There is also a difference in making a(n) (unsubstantiated) claim that the civil servants ignored his call, and acknowledging that they did investigate but happened to overlook the corpse. It wouldn't exactly be the first time that Detroit received a prank 911 call... | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1224 Registered: 12-2003 |
Did you miss the part where LeDuff wrote that he and the photographer were outside the warehouse at the time the cops claim they went? | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1125 Registered: 11-2003 |
Maybe I missed it, but when did LeDuff claim that the police didn't show up for two days? In his initial piece he states that the body was still there 24 hours latter. He doesn't state anything about the police not showing up. Piss poor job by 911 and the police. LeDuff states that 20 minutes after his initial call to 911 that they (911) called the newsroom and asked him about the location again. When the police had a problem locating the body why didn't they have 911 contact CL again and have him describe the location or meet them down there? As far as it being dark and being hard to see, it's a dead body for Christ's sake. Is the DPD hurting for money that bad that they can't purchase extra powerful flashlights? I've got about a half dozen powerful flashlights lying around my house. Maybe next time they might want to borrow one. | ||
Davemarc Member Username: Davemarc Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2008 |
Yes,If that where the case,why did he not comment on that when questioned in the second article? | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 685 Registered: 08-2006 |
Just FYI, I received calls from friends in New York & California about this little story. The word is spreading. | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 308 Registered: 08-2004 |
Oy, as my Omi Anna used to say in Upper Manhattan. Comes now Crain's blogger Bill Shea with purple-haze prose of his own. A post this afternoon says Charlie's news-feature . . . quote:Oy, noch einmal. On a more sober note, he also quotes Moroun the Younger (Matthew), whom he happened to be accompanying yesterday on a Gateway Project show-and-sell. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1685 Registered: 05-2005 |
from the crain's story quote: with something more than a chainlink fence and a couple haphazardly placed pieces of plywood? | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 4929 Registered: 11-2005 |
Victim identified: http://www.freep.com/article/2 0090130/NEWS01/90130091/Police +identify+frozen+body | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1225 Registered: 12-2003 |
A little more detail: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20090130/M ETRO/901300457 | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2929 Registered: 01-2004 |
where the HELL do these guys learn to write this soap operaesque syrupy cheese they come up with ? somebody light a match. | ||
Bosch Member Username: Bosch Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2008 |
I'm surprised nobody took the poor guy's shoes. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2287 Registered: 08-2007 |
Alright Mauser, here is a challenge for your writing skills: Re-write the LeDuff piece the way you'd report it. You present yourself as a critic inwhich we should pay attention. Now, prove your worth. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4051 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: A-fu%ckin-men, excuse my French. The gall of that old bridge troll to feign concern. He can sure as hell keep people off of, and away from, his damned precious Ambassador. Perhaps, that's a place to start, Matty. BTW, that was much more directed at Manny, not his son. (Message edited by lmichigan on January 30, 2009) | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 845 Registered: 08-2008 |
You know, most of the best writers, novelists, authors in the world couldn't have dreamed this scenario up. Truth is stranger than fiction. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 759 Registered: 11-2003 |
"Life is the crummiest book I ever read, There isnt a hook, just a lot of cheap shots, Pictures to shock and characters an amateur would never dream up Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction" B.R. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2930 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Re-write the LeDuff piece the way you'd report it. " Just cut the melodrama fucking CHEESE. pretty simple folks. That wasnt "reporting" btw. That was what we call in the industry "creating news". | ||
Spirit2028 Member Username: Spirit2028 Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2007 |
A video clip of the 14th Street Roosevelt Warehouse and the hockey rink in the basement. www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5PAq4 kDSj4&feature=channel_page | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2289 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: Then you shouldn't have any trouble doing it. Piece of cake, ez as pi, ... We're waiting for you to teach us the proper way to report this story. Apparently I do not know because I think LeDuff wrote a pretty compelling report; but since you, Mauser, have a more discerning sensibility and a more refined knowledge of the proper way to write, please grace us with your informed insight. Or are you just going to slink off to another thread, and pretend you didn't read this request? |
