  Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1132 Registered: 11-2003 |
"14th Street Roosevelt Warehouse" Anyone know the history of this place? Was in originally built by the DPS? | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 2153 Registered: 10-2003 |
Rjk: Here's a past DYes thread on the subject: DPS Book Depository https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/91697/95632.html?1173379 296 And links to photos taken by those brave enough to enter the building....we never would...just too creepy! http://www.flickr.com/photos/n ofunk/sets/72157605201520366/c omments/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/j essespeelman/sets/721576068888 86486/ | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1134 Registered: 11-2003 |
Thanks, great info. I didn't know that it was Albert Kahn building. | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 309 Registered: 08-2004 |
Mauser muses: quote:Well then, excuuuse we unaware information consumers who aren't in The Industry (or left it in '03, in my case). Good thing we have Mau-Mauser and Wood, juris doctor, to set us straight 'bout the diff. 'tween creating vs. reporting news. Otherwise, a careless person could slip (yes, on the ice) and mistake a real-life bit of drama -- such as a frozen corpse near indoor shacks where homeless men pass their time -- as something worth reporting rather than as something an over-reaching journalist created to make himself seem heroic or as a showcase for gonzo writing. To be clear: * Yes, the florid Charlie LeDuff doesn't wield words as subtly as Elmore Leonard. * Sure, this is totally cheesy and made my eyes roll, too: "The life and sad end of Johnnie Redding reminds us that even the dirtiest life has value. There are many Johnnies out there: Victor, Kenneth, Terrence your loved ones are asking about you." * But this, friends, is worthwhile reporting of a story-within-a-story: Some shelters in the city provide only a chair. The chair is yours as long as you sit in it. Once you leave, the chair is reassigned. Show of hands: Who knew that? Carnac the Magnificant sees, oh, perhaps a dozen or so social work pros, agency folks and our DPD friends. Me, I'm with Gnome on the show-us-or-sit-down challenge . . . . . . and with 1KielsonDrive on a solid observation: quote:Quibble about word choices all you want. But "creating news"? Nuh-uh. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5200 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote: The lack of adequate shelter space is pretty well known, as is the shortage of funding for food pantries and other such services. | ||
Dshanks Member Username: Dshanks Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2008 |
Why is everyone getting their panties in a wad about the police not finding the body? It wasn't like the guy was going anywhere soon. That block of ice will be there until April. Also, Mauser doesn't need to prove his worth to anyone. Detroitfunk is an example of journalism excellence and everyone knows it. | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 310 Registered: 08-2004 |
Fair point, Lilpup. But though even I was aware of that situation, I now have a more vivid, more specific image of what it means for individuals coping day-to-day . . . thanks to this from Charlie LeDuff: quote:A chair, not a bed. See, for me at least, knowing that shelters are full isn't the same as also knowing about "musical chairs," as one shack-dweller put it in The News' original article Thursday. Same situation, reported memorably. Stickier. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3600 Registered: 11-2007 |
quote: In case of a possible murder, the longer it takes to show up on the scene, the longer it takes to solve the case. Detroit - quote: http://www.dartcenter.org/dart award/2005/winner/08.html | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 5913 Registered: 02-2004 |
It's nice to see reporters for Detroit newspapers are finally finding out about the homeless and the condition of the assorted shelters. Congratulations, RC, for finding out what an awful lot of people already know. And what are you going to do with this knowledge, besides bestowing laurels on the estimable Mr. LeDuhh? Are you going to volunteer? Write a check? Join the van brigade and hand out blankets tonight? | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1530 Registered: 01-2004 |
Cool video Spirit2028 | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2295 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: Is that the same DetroitFunk that just removed his photos of the urbex hockey league? Out of fear or shame? The same guy that glorifies the City's destruction and criminal use of spray paint? The same guy who treas passes into locked buildings thereby allowing vagrants to follow in close behind. You're right, he doesn't have to prove anything,... its already been proven. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2933 Registered: 01-2004 |
So can we all agree now that the real villain in this story is not Charlie, nor Matty, nor the skaters, nor the indifferent homeless, nor the indifferent residents of the fine City of Detroit - it is the insipid "dETROITfUNK" website. And THAT has been Detroits REAL problem this whole time. Just ask Gnome. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2934 Registered: 01-2004 |
"And what are you going to do with this knowledge, besides bestowing laurels on the estimable Mr. LeDuhh? Are you going to volunteer? Write a check? Join the van brigade and hand out blankets tonight?" ORF speaks the truth. thinkaboutit. Get of your ass and walk away from your precious forum blather for a minute and go do something about it. OR Hang here and have more fun with mauser, the human piƱata. Thats usually the best way to get er done, so... OLE ! | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2298 Registered: 08-2007 |
That's your best writing example? The best you can do? I was just asking you to show your skills and this is the result? Name calling? ha Heck, Mauser, I thought you'd be holed up and crafting the perfect article. I'm interested in what is the correct way to Mauserize a news report. Ya know, you can't Textron it with an all important drop shaddow. Is that holding you up? | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2935 Registered: 01-2004 |
Im a photographer. You want me to take a picture of it ? Dude, you didnt get the updated fact sheet. | ||
Stikine Member Username: Stikine Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2009 |
It is ridiculous to read the posts attacking the messenger of a well-written piece of news. News comes to us in a variety of ways, and these ways change with us. So, you do not like the way the story is written? Don't read it! It seems ridiculous to me to attack LeDuff when he is reporting on what is going on in this city, the people in this city in a new and creative way. The frozen man story needed to be on the front page,...this is our city! Shit happens like this and we need to get better as a city. | ||
Dshanks Member Username: Dshanks Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2008 |
I'm all for spirited discussion, but I thought personal attacks were forboden territory here. Just asking. | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 311 Registered: 08-2004 |
Welcome, Stikine. Clear-eyed debut post. Ridiculous, indeed. Also enjoyed earlier riff about "your precious forum blather . . ." Now that's a truly rich dollop of ironic humor to sweeten and enliven our spirited discussion. H.L. Mencken, Will Rogers, Jackie Mason, Don Rickles, Kathy Griffin, Sarah Silverman, D. L. Hughley, Sarah Bernhardt -- they all got nothin' on a few of our masters, not even close. The self-parodists perform here regularly, Stikine, so enjoy the rest of the weekend show. It's worth every bit what we paid to get in. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3606 Registered: 11-2007 |
quote: Quite a rogues gallery, I could add a few forum posters here, but will hold for now. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2936 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hmm.... I would pick, let's see... If I were going to pick somebody that might be Charlie in the crowd, Id pick "Realitycheck." But realitycheck is fairly well spoken - so maybe a bad guess. Honestly, I would hope mr Leduff had better things to do than to ever spend time here. Forums are havens for office productivity bandits, and I dont see Charlie as one of those. And I dont hate the guys work or anything, its just his style of writing is cheesy to me. nutria-furcap-atcha ! | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 312 Registered: 08-2004 |
Mauser and RealityCheck find common ground: 1. "realitycheck is fairly well spoken" [Thanks!] 2. "his [LeDuff's] style of writing is cheesy to me." [Me too, at times.] 3. Forums are havens for office productivity bandits [Ouch, guilty . . . and worse yet, robbing myself at home office.] When Lowell lifted the rope for me 312 posts ago in Aug. '04, Charlie was in Year Nine of his 12-year NYTimes gig. So yeah, bad guess. And hey, while we're passing the pipe, get a load of this from Charlie's Wikipedia article: quote:Context that 'splains things a bit. Some cheeseballs among his models. (Plus some admirable legends also on my own shelves.) Now let's go see if we can show those Palestinians and Israelis how to take a step closer, shall we, Mauser? (Message edited by RealityCheck on January 31, 2009) | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3618 Registered: 11-2007 |
Mauser765 - "Office productivity bandits", where have I seen them before.  | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2937 Registered: 01-2004 |
anyone remember the Kennys Chicken episode of Seinfeld with the rat fur hat ? Thats what I keep thinking of when I see that clip of Charlie they keep running. the DPD firing back on tonights news. saying they did a search and didnt find Johnny. | ||
Duke_sims Member Username: Duke_sims Post Number: 117 Registered: 05-2008 |
Two things about this story amuse me: 1. That the Detroit Police Department would not only think it's okay that they did a piss-poor job, but actually BRAG about it. 2. That the Free Press would take what the DPD says at face value and run with it in their effort to discredit their competitor. In any other instance, the Freep reporters would be skeptical of any explanation the Detroit Police gave when something embarassing to the department surfaced. And if LeDuff was guilty of "massaging" certain things in order to tell a better story, so was the Free Press in its counter-stories. By stating that police responded to the 911 call, they're shooting down a straw man, since the original story never said the cops didn't respond. I, personally, thought the story could've/should've been handled a bit differently. If I were writing it, I would've focused more on the issues this dead body symbolizes, rather than making myself as the writer the focus of the story. I think that's why Charlie LeDuff is being criticized so vehemently. But it's no huge deal IMO -- certainly not bad enough to warrant some of the nasty posts in this thread. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4058 Registered: 10-2003 |
Can we stop this shit, already? You're just trolling, now, Mauser. You've made whatever point you wanted to make long time ago; now, move on, and stop the shit-stirring, already. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1686 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: yep, sealed up real tight! | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 541 Registered: 08-2008 |
Spirit, thanks for making and posting the video -- very informative. | ||
Davemarc Member Username: Davemarc Post Number: 154 Registered: 06-2008 |
Funny,you would think from all the coverage they would try to secure it.They must have called in the work crews just for the news! | ||
Sludgedaddy Member Username: Sludgedaddy Post Number: 275 Registered: 01-2008 |
Murders...Muggings...Carjackin gs? Commonplace! This is a one of those "Man Bites Dog" bits of sensasionalism. If one wants to garner futher interest, compare the frozen body recovered in the ice in an abandoned warehouse to the 4000 yr. old Stone Age Man recovered in the Austrian Alps a few years back. Hey, kids. Detroit's own "Ootzi, the Ice-Man!" | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2939 Registered: 01-2004 |
Gravitymachine - if that is your video, great work. Now please explain to everybody your impression of how remote the location of the shaft with the body in it is, compared to where the hockey was being played. Also please tell us what you think about trying to find a body in that warehouse. I say again, WAREHOUSE. Like finding a needle in a stack of needles. You could misplace a bus in that place. And there could be a hundred dead people in that basement under that ice and nobody would ever know. Did you see how unbelievably deep it is ? I think the story is a weird story, but simply an unfortunate story. A guy who was addicted to smoking crack in that abandoned building was later found dead in that same building. People who shouldnt be in this building that shouldnt be open found him. But not the negligent billionaire, nor the guy who found the body, nor the police caused the dead body to be dead. It would have been dead someplace, in whatever abandoned building. It is the result of a larger societal problem that is not related to the idiosyncratic details of this odd sequence of events. But geez, close the building and have it demoed asap at least. |
