  Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4066 Registered: 10-2003 |
Here's an old (2004) article done on the building by the MetroTimes: quote: This story has been written many, many times before, it seems. Hmmm...I wonder what (who) got in the way of this being brought down...? (Message edited by lmichigan on February 01, 2009) | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1137 Registered: 11-2003 |
"Like finding a needle in a stack of needles. You could misplace a bus in that place. And there could be a hundred dead people in that basement under that ice and nobody would ever know. Did you see how unbelievably deep it is ?" Of course it was going to be difficult for the police if no one called LeDuff so he could either give or show the exact location of the body to the police. A simple phone call would have made an extremely difficult task rather easy. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2941 Registered: 01-2004 |
huh ? | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1687 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: it's not my video, i wasn't the person who originally posted it, did you not notice the "quote" tags in my above post? (Message edited by gravitymachine on February 01, 2009) | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2943 Registered: 01-2004 |
lol okay then, everybody else just look at the video and nevermind dudes impressions. the two areas are remote from one another. | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 316 Registered: 08-2004 |
Comes now David, blogging tartly at The Incorrigible City, who accuses unnamed posters on this thread of being in a "permanent state of denial." Excerpts from his Feb. 1 post: quote: | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 9300 Registered: 10-2003 |
Fox 2 reporting this morning that the man doesn't appear to have been murdered, but instead may have died while scrapping. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 9301 Registered: 10-2003 |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20090203/M ETRO/902030357/1409/METRO | ||
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck Post Number: 317 Registered: 08-2004 |
Lessenberry has one worth reading in the Metro Times today (here), and I don't say that often. It's a reflective, personal, clear-eyed essay on Johnnie Redding's high-profile death . . . with links connecting him, in effect, to Jack and deposed Merrill Lynch chairman John Thain. quote:Link again to full column. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2321 Registered: 08-2007 |
Free Press blogger "O" tries to hint that LeDuff massaged the facts on the Iceman piece. There are 911 calls at the bottom of the article. It takes awhile to listen to all of them, but it seems that there was a keystone cops type of miscommunication between the 911 Operators and Police Dispatch. LeDuff gave exact directions to the building and directions on how to find the body. By the time the Report got to the cops on the street, the information got bent all out of whack. The cops first went to the Roosevelt Hotel; that dump just south of the Mercury Coffee Bar. With cops on the scene, Dispatch even calls Leduff for better directions. They still couldn't find the Iceman, yet, don't call him again for specific details. The surprising thing about the phone calls, seems the 911 people and the Dispatch people have never heard of the Book Depository Building or the Roosevelt Warehouse. They seem genuinely confused, or unsure, about the location. You can draw you own conclusions, but sounds like the 911 people don't know how to take a report, or how to correctly complete fill out an incident report. Big shock, 911 is buffoonville. Freep link with 911 calls The thrust of the "O" interview is "we tried real hard to find the guy" oblivious to the fact that the phone calls reveal 911/Dispatch to be incompetents. It must be frustating for the street cops to be on the receiving end of such buffoonary. Everyday they must have to deal with 911 reports that are a jumbled mess of bad information. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1694 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: if that is truely the case, someone please forward this link to 911 dispatch http://maps.google.com/maps | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 1066 Registered: 04-2006 |
I posted some photos I took of the building to the new City Bird blog: http://citybirddetroit.blogspo t.com/ I thought it relevant. The 3rd floor is actually beautiful. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 4967 Registered: 11-2005 |
Le Duff comes across as a bit of a buffoon himself in those tapes, or maybe douchebag is the right word. "This guy's a popsicle". "Better bring a jackhammer." He sounds like a character in an old movie. | ||
Macknwarren Member Username: Macknwarren Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2007 |
Reading both the LeDuff and Free Press stories and listening to the tapes, you can't help but conclude that the response from 911, DPD, and EMS was anything but indifferent, which was the whole point of the story. *911 called back until it got the location right. *At least two cop cars, and maybe a third -- plus an EMS unit -- responded promptly to what they thought was the scene and started looking. That was the old hotel on 14th. When they didn't find anything, they called back, and 911 directed them down the street to the schools' building. They then searched every floor and the roof. It was getting dark and it's a big, dangerous building...they failed to find two legs sticking out of the ice. *It's still unclear where LeDuff was, and if he did return to the scene, why he didn't see the vehicles, and why he didn't call 911 from the building in the first place. *In his first story, he quotes the male 911 operator as saying, "That's what we do," after "this reporter" suggested, "Bring a jack hammer." That's an interesting exchange, but it's not how the conversation took place. According to the tape, the operator says "that's what we do" after LeDuff offers an apology for all the work the guy is doing as he tries to locate the building. Oh well. Are journalists supposed to relay what people say in precise order, or can they mix and match? *Even without the mischaracterization of the public safety response and the wobbly quotations, the story is a great one and it does say a lot about Detroit in 2009. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2324 Registered: 08-2007 |
I think you're mostly spot on MW. I don't see Police indifference in how this all came together, just incompetence. Now, I don't work for Otis Elevator but I do know that you don't find a a bumsicle that is in the bottom on an elevator shaft by looking on the roof. The roof? Where is the bottom of an elevator shaft? The roof or the basement? ah... It seems embarrassing that the Sargent interviewed would try to show how much the cops cared, how hard they worked, by saying they looked on the roof. Twice. The first 911 operator was clearly told where the body was located and how to get in. Through the loading dock. Why didn't that info get to the street cops? Incompetence. The tapes also show the confusion about the general location. When the cops where searching the Roosevelt Hotel, Dispatch called LeDuff who again told them the location of the building. When the cops didn't find the Iceman, did they call LeDuff again for exact directions? Why not? They knew his phone. Why didn't they call? Incompetence. The next day, during the daylight when searching would be easier did anyone call LeDuff? Doesn't sound like it from the tapes. Now, does LeDuff have a flair for the dramatic? Yep, that's why we're discussing this bumsicle and not the dozen others that will soon be stinking up crackhouses and weedy lots across the urban landscape. LeDuff did more than those other citizens. Did more to bring to focus the strange netherworld of Crackville's Urbex Hockey League. More focus to the plight of those who have to decide between sitting up in a chair or freezing to death. Indifference? not really. Incompetence certainly. The biggest problem in all of this is that the cops did the best job they could. That is the problem. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2962 Registered: 01-2004 |
"LeDuff did more than those other citizens." yeah, and he got paid. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2963 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Even without the mischaracterization of the public safety response and the wobbly quotations, the story is a great one" I think this unintentionally summarizes the 'quality' of that article. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2327 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: See, Mauser in contrast to you, most people get paid for their talent. You on the other hand exhibit no talent which is pay worthy. Still waiting on your redux Mauser. Nothing quite like the quality snapshots you take to glorify the wanton defacement of our collective landscape. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2965 Registered: 01-2004 |
my what now ? | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2966 Registered: 01-2004 |
anyway - those quotes alone sort of define what type of story this all was. lets call it, "well crafted". | ||
Lugotown Member Username: Lugotown Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2008 |
just came across this, didn't see a post for it Warehouse owner says trespassers to blame for frozen corpse http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20090212/M ETRO/902120481 | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 776 Registered: 11-2003 |
"A group of those explorers allegedly gathered in the former warehouse to play hockey. At least one of them was aware of Redding's body but did not call authorities to report the situation." | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4116 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: WOW! This man has the biggest balls in the State of Michigan. He is never challenged, and will never been challenged until he dies, it seems. He obviously can say and do whatever he wants without impugnity. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 2977 Registered: 01-2004 |
abandoned buildings are the fault of the owner. period. blaming explorers or homeless is like complaining about the flies that land on the turd, rather than complaining about the dog that actually laid the turd. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4117 Registered: 10-2003 |
On those above Detroit News quotes, alone, Manny could win "Michigan Douchebag of the Year" for the next decade running. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1710 Registered: 05-2005 |
the buildings just across 14th have for the last year + since i've lived in the area seem to have somehow escaped the scurge of the tresspassing homeless because they are properly secured you old fuck. you'd think a billionaire could afford a couple more sheets of plywood and his claim that he has security driving around these properties is absolutely, completely, 100%, unmittigated bullshit! also since the frozen man story ran (and well before) there is still a gaping hole in the backside of the MCS that you could drive a truck through. | ||
Davemarc Member Username: Davemarc Post Number: 164 Registered: 06-2008 |
As many tines as I've been buy that building,I've never seen a guard.Manny do as little as the city will let him get away with. | ||
Rocknrollscientist Member Username: Rocknrollscientist Post Number: 105 Registered: 05-2005 |
Actually, I was coming home from work last week (down 14th) a little after dark, and saw a private security truck driving slowly down the street. They were shining a car-mounted spotlight on the schools building. I was kinda shocked. Oh, and just last Saturday afternoon, I saw four twenty-somethings park on 17th and walk right into the MCS through the gaping hole Gravity mentioned above. In the middle of the day. I drove right by them while they were jumping up onto the ledge to go through the hole, and they were completely unfazed. | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 563 Registered: 08-2008 |
"bumsicle" It was a human life lost. | ||
Detroitchef Member Username: Detroitchef Post Number: 102 Registered: 09-2008 |
Yeah, but if Manny wantd to build a bridge at MCS (not possible I know, but hypothetically) then you'd have a small army of his private security goons, just like at Riverside Park. Hey, why don't we point Mr Urban Explorer over to Riverside, and let Manny's Gestapo rid us of the annoyance? |
