  Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 157 Registered: 05-2004 |
Is it just me or are the Cavs that good? I can't see the Pistons losing to them unless they beat themselves (and they seem to be doing just that). What's going on here? Webber looks like he is all thumbs, Billups can't buy a shot, Prince looks like a pauper and too often they are just standing around looking for someone to knock down the big shot. Unless they get an inside game going, I'm afraid they'll blow this series. | ||
Romanized Member Username: Romanized Post Number: 230 Registered: 02-2005 |
Cavs blow. But the Pistons are always doing this. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2233 Registered: 06-2004 |
Pistons lollygag until they feel pressure. But some days they don't start playing early enough and run out of time before winning the game. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 1294 Registered: 06-2006 |
so the Pistons lost one away game to the second-best team in the Eastern conference...it happens...relax....they'll be fine | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5233 Registered: 11-2004 |
Agreed. Calm down. The Cavaliers aren't that bad. Give them some credit as well... but I still think the Pistons will prevail. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1505 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hope so. Detroit teams seem to be in a funk this month. Let's hope June is better for all (well, except for the Wings....they've gone fishing.) | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 3863 Registered: 10-2003 |
Last I looked the Pistons were up 2-1. With a couples less turnovers last night they could have easily could have been 3-0. If anything the question might be what's up with Chauncey. He has not been his usual self in ball handling. | ||
Dbest Member Username: Dbest Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2007 |
Pistons didn't play that poorly in this game its just that the cavs played better, you cant do a whole lot about lebron hitting those contested looks towards the end of the game. I thought prince and webber looked much better than in the two previous games, webber even hit some important free throws. Wouldn't read too much into this game because bottom line is its not a series till someone loses at home and as long as the pistons hold serve we win the series. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2232 Registered: 07-2004 |
I still don't understand why Flip Saunders keeps changing the script. Maxiell has done wonders every game in the playoffs, yet Saunders will play him one game but won't play him the next. Maxiell did not get the minutes last night, but in game two he kept the Pistons in the game to win it. So what gives? | ||
Dbest Member Username: Dbest Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2007 |
Royce, Thats a good question maybe because Varejao didn't play as many minutes and we like to use max to defend against there pick and roll? Also maybe the fact that Mcdyess logged almost thirty minutes and webber was pretty effective in his minutes? I guess we shouldn't question coach to much considering murray was huge off the bench. I think the onus has to be on Rip and Billups because this team depends on there guards too much to have them go 6-22 from the floor and only score 20 combined, which really worries me because when rip gets it going he can really wear out whoever is guarding him. You have a point though with him only getting 3 min, well he should be fresh and ready to be called upon next game! | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 536 Registered: 10-2006 |
Perspective: At least we didn't get blew out by 20 points like San Antonio did. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 160 Registered: 05-2004 |
Yeah, but look who's winning the series. | ||
Homer Member Username: Homer Post Number: 180 Registered: 08-2004 |
This series is over. King James earned his crown last night. The Court Jesters, led by Rashid, are not cutting it any more. I'm sad about it but rebuilding time is overdue. Still pick the Spurs to take it all and knock that crown off the Boy King's noggin in six. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2261 Registered: 06-2004 |
Hope the Cavs blow the Spurs out of the building. If our teams are going to lose they better be losing to the champions. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2866 Registered: 02-2005 |
What's wrong w/ the Pistons? Flip Saunders is a former Cleveland fan...it's a curse. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 897 Registered: 11-2003 |
it has been lots of fun, and it was horrible seeing them lose like that, but part of me was a little relieved by the loss. maybe this time they can actually look to fix, delelete, add, the pieces they need or just rebuild. they have honestly been putting that to the side since they lost the spurs series a few years ago. | ||
Gibran Member Username: Gibran Post Number: 526 Registered: 02-2007 |
yikes the party is over...I am getting to old for this...I hope I don't have to wait another ten years.... GO Tigers... | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5321 Registered: 11-2004 |
No more Wings. No more Pistons now. It's the Tigers' bandwagon to tote around for awhile. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 1384 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hire Laimbeer | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 339 Registered: 02-2006 |
I'm already there smogboy! <313> | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2007 |
Flip Saunders is a very good coach and made improvements over last years team. Mainly the bench was a lot stronger this year after burning out the starters last year. The players are responsible for this humiliation. The only untouchable I see is Hamilton. All others are on the line. Webber will not be resigned and look for some major trades too. Even Chauncey may exit. Maxiell as a starter next year and Amir Johnson will not be enough of an improvement. Saunders is not going anywhere and he shouldn't. We didn't get outcoached, we got outplayed. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 642 Registered: 06-2005 |
Our Pistons were beaten 4 games in a row, by a hungrier team and an undisputed talent. LeBron is starting to leave a permanent legacy. Since the Michael Jordan era, there hasn't been an era built on top of a special individual. Yes, we had Kobe/Shaq winning 3 NBA titles as a dynamic duo. LeBron James will be a force for a long time. I wouldn't be a sore loser to the Cavs, because LeBron and company played better and deserved to be the Eastern Conference champions. I hope they go all the way and take down San Antonio for good. Besides, Dan Gilbert is a Detroit booster just like Karmanos, and Karmanos had already won a championship with his Carolina Hurricanes hockey team. Dan Gilbert did a lot of good things to bring the Cleveland Cavaliers to this level. Good luck, Cavs ! Beat the Spurs ! | ||
Eric_w Member Username: Eric_w Post Number: 215 Registered: 02-2007 |
I watched the last game & the Piston's were gutless. All this talk about what a great team they were was simply TALK. To lay down in the 4th quarter like that was pathetic. I'm no big fan of basketball but I do know when a team isn't getting it done.I can't say I'm sorry they lost since they acquired Chris Webb I lost what interest I did have in them. He's been nothing but a loser his whole NBA career and a punk to boot. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 723 Registered: 11-2003 |
In a way I'm glad the Pistons lost and didn't find a way to get past the Cavs. They would have been hard pressed to win more than one game from the Spurs. The Pistons are like a fighter who's nearing the end of his career. Sometimes you need a good beating to realize that it's over and you need to move on. Hopefully Joe D makes more than a minor move in the off season. I'd like to see at least one of their starting four traded and have some new and hopefully younger talent brought in. | ||
Pmardo Member Username: Pmardo Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2006 |
Trade Tay or Rip, start Amir Johnson and Maxiel down low, keep flip. Bring Dyse in off the bench if he doesn't retire. Chauncey will be gone. Zach Randolph? | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 956 Registered: 09-2006 |
Zach Randolph would be cool but if we get him Sheed has to go. Flip isn't that strong of a disciplinarian to tame both of them. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1197 Registered: 01-2004 |
Sheed has his moments of flipping out, but Webber to me is the bigger worry. We need to be concerned with the center situation, cuz Webber is almost stationary on offense, and D. | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 399 Registered: 08-2006 |
Webber can move...to another team or into retirement; I can't see him being re-signed. | ||
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez Post Number: 262 Registered: 12-2006 |
I don't like Saunders as a coach. The team is unable to change up its game when things aren't working. I saw the same futility last year against the Heat. I was as disgusted then as I am now, and it's deja vu all over again (to quote Yogi). I just don't think Flip is a very good game coach, and it is reflected in some befuddlement on the court during crunch times. The starters played way too many minutes....a lot was made of Flip developing the bench but when things got tight, the bench played less. Billups played way too many minutes all season, as did Prince and Hamilton. I monitored minutes in the box scores all year long, as this was a problem last year, and seemed to repeat itself..... | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2007 |
Flip saunders is horrible..I can't beleve that he isn't fired. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 591 Registered: 10-2006 |
I'm looking for a Spurs sweep. Cavs would NOT have beaten the Pistons if we had a decent coach. Spurs-Cavs is a mismatch. | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2007 |
I beg to disagree, the pistons played very poorly in the Cav series. they couldn't make a basket. Chauncy had so many turnovers and played bad. the whole team couldn't make layups. Prince was real tired. It wasn't all the coaches fault that everybody stunk except Sheed. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1206 Registered: 01-2004 |
Flip Saunders is incapable of keeping his players organized, and focused. He lets them do whatever they want. I like Sheed, but he takes way too damn many 3 point attempts. I say we get rid of him. | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 236 Registered: 09-2004 |
I watched only a quarter of the Finals Game 1 and the thing that stood out to me was an interview with Tony Parker and he talked about how hard Popovich is on the team. He said that they could win 10 in a row and as soon as they loss he would go nuts on them in practice. He also said that that intensity keeps them hungry and playing hard. Popovich wants them to get better and seek greatness. That's not what I see when I look at the Pistons, I see a team that believes they are great already and feel that they can play great when the want to. Hard work pays off!! Get back to "Goin' To Work" guys!!! | ||
14509glenfield Member Username: 14509glenfield Post Number: 1002 Registered: 05-2006 |
Who won't be there next season? | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 595 Registered: 10-2006 |
Quote: It wasn't all the coaches fault that everybody stunk except Sheed. Ummm, what's the job of the coach? Just to stand there in a suit??? | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 644 Registered: 06-2005 |
There is enough blame to go around. The coaching staff, the starters, the bench players and etc ... they lost 4 in a row for goodness sake ! The Cavs may not match up against the Spurs, but they sure showed the Pistons a thing or two about hunger and desperation. I hope Cleveland would fight harder against the Spurs, but last night's game proved how strong San Antonio is from every aspect of the game. Their frontcourt and backcourt production, their strategies, their perimeter shooting, their defense ..... very difficult to beat a team as solid as the San Antonio Spurs. We will see how the Cavs come out to play on Sunday. | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 97 Registered: 02-2007 |
Sheed is my favorite player. I would really hate to see him go. Chauncey says he will look at offers from other teams, but I would like to see joe d resign him. Flip Murray says he is exerciseing his option to stay on the pistons Rip and Tayshaun aren't going anywhere Mcdyess wants to stay, as well he should. He is clearly our MVP off the bench. Webber is considering retireing, but also thinks he has a few years left in him. If webber continues to play, I say get rid of him. I think if we are going to make a deal for anyone worth getting, the trades will most likely come from out bench significantly. Nazr is gone for sure, but I think that We could package some other players together to get someone. Delfino, Johnson, and hunter come to mind. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 608 Registered: 10-2006 |
but they sure showed the Pistons a thing or two about hunger and desperation..... Agreed. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5380 Registered: 11-2004 |
Rumor has it that Lindsay Hunter might retire and look to be in the front offices with the Pistons. I do agree though- there has to be some shake down of the program. I have faith in Joe D so we shall see. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 615 Registered: 10-2006 |
Rumor has it..... Isaih may be returning to the Pistons in 2008. Dumars is keeping Flip until he sees who becomes available next year. Thoughts? | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2007 |
Isiah will never be with the pistons as long as Dumars is here. Take it to the bank. | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 239 Registered: 09-2004 |
I liked the Laimbeer rumor better. That isn't saying a whole lot either.. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5388 Registered: 11-2004 |
Drew Sharp ran an article touting the Isiah return to which I say NO FREAKIN' WAY. As far as I'm concerned, he was a great player that never transcended to the suit stage. I have no idea what Isiah did to piss off Bill Davidson but I can't see him ever being on his payroll ever again. I always thought that he was groomed to be a Piston for life but obviously something happened. Not that Joe Dumars has done horribly by any stretch but Isiah was the spoon that stirred the soup back in the Bad Boys era. Isiah stunk it up as a GM, stunk it up in the CBA and quite hoenstly isn't that much better as a coach. Can we so quickly forget his hire of Larry Brown in New York only to see that debacle blow up? He was also sued for sexual harrassment as the Knicks GM too. So I don't know what rose colored typewriter ribbon Drew Sharp is using but there is no way the Pistons should even consider Isiah back in the fold. Zeke, thanks for your time as a player but there shouldn't be any reason why the Pistons should want you back as coach, GM or anything in management. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 617 Registered: 10-2006 |
Ahem, repeating my earlier prediction of a Spurs sweep: "The Spurs, clicking on offense and digging their sneakers in on defense, built a 28-point lead in the first half and were embarrassing the Cavaliers....." detnews.com | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 636 Registered: 10-2006 |
ESPN said what everyone is thinking: "This would have been a much better series against Detroit." No one is watching this series (historically low ratings) because its NOT a series. Everyone knows the Spurs vastly outmatch the Cavs. The public doesn't want to see it. The sportscasters aren't excited about talking about it. This is pretty bad. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5425 Registered: 11-2004 |
The NBA Finals was about as much excitement as caulking a bathtub. And I'm not saying that because our beloved Pistons weren't in it- I'm saying that because the competition was so pathetic. The Cavaliers, in recent history must be one of the worst teams ever to make it to a sports' final series. They were routed like 8:30 traffic on the Lodge. It was bad for the NBA. As much as anyone complained about the Pistons/ Spurs series a few years ago about their boring defensive styles- it was still a competitive match-up. There wasn't a sure-fire outcome. With this Cavs/ Spurs series it wasn't even worthwhile watching because we all knew that the Spurs were a much more mature team with depth, experience and skill. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1218 Registered: 01-2004 |
This had to be one the the most boring finals series in recent memory. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 646 Registered: 06-2005 |
The problem isn't the Cavs themselves, but rather the list of teams in the Eastern Conference that allow them to advance all the way through. Think about it - The Cavs swept the Wizards in Round 1, then proceeded to defeat the Nets 4-2, followed next with a beating of our Pistons 4-2. If the Spurs can embarrass the Cavs like that in the Championship Finals, imagine how pathetic the Eastern Conference is in the whole scheme of things. | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2007 |
I agree. Joe Dumars has a lot of work and trading too do before the Pistons can even dream about being NBA champs again. I wouldn't take a chance on Ogden, (remember the praises of Darko ?) Get established hungry players. Make whole sale changes. Trade Sheed, Davis, Nazi, Delfino, Webber and Billups. Get somebody that is good and has the DESIRE to win. Germaine O'neil, Kobe and others that want a ring. Keep Dice, Dupree, Maxiell, Prince, Amir. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5433 Registered: 11-2004 |
Well, Defino just went to the Raptors for two draft picks. It's the start. Go Joe D! | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 95 Registered: 05-2006 |
It looks like they may be clearing some space to bring Grant Hill back. Even at his advanced age he would be an upgrade over Defino. Will we see the teal uni and horse head come back? | ||
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni Post Number: 412 Registered: 05-2007 |
Does'nt Grant Hill have existing Detroit ties? I think his wife is a professional singing and recording artist that hails from Windsor. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 647 Registered: 10-2006 |
Yes, Grant Hill is a Detroiter and yes, his wife is Tamia. She actually sings better than Grant plays ball! | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 411 Registered: 08-2006 |
Delfino may have been dispensable because the best prospects available when the Pistons' two first round picks come up are likely to be small forwards. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 96 Registered: 05-2006 |
I think its time for Joe Dumars to just come out and say the European experiment did not work. The Pistons had/still has some of the most respected European league scouts in the NBA. These scouts were suppose to give the Pistons a leg up on the talent in the different leagues over there. All the players that were drafted are no longer with the team.They either weren't good enough to make the Pistons traded or left thru free agency Only Okur could be considered a success and the team couldn't keep him. I think the Pistons style of offense with the half-court grind-em-out style doesn't suit the Europeans style of play. The problem is that long as C Billips is the starting point guard that style isn't going to change. The Pistons might as well get players that are better suited to its style of play. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 656 Registered: 10-2006 |
I was thinkin' it, but I'm glad you said it. BUY AMERICAN! :-) | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 244 Registered: 09-2004 |
Firstandten, go to ESPN.com and go to the Podcast, there is a Joe Dumars interview and Joe D actually said the same thing about the Euros. It's a great interview and Joe held no punches. Here is the link to the interview: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn radio/player?context=podcast&i d=2907850 | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 98 Registered: 05-2006 |
People are going crazy about Joe D's drafting. A lot of drafting is just plain luck. Joe probably does better with free agents because he sees them play, knows how they would fit with the Pistons, and can talk with other league guys about them. The college guys and Europeans guys he is more dependent on what his people are telling him. When you look at his drafts such as Mateen Cleaves he said at the time he was getting a local guy to give the team some buzz since the Pistons weren't a good team. That didn't work but I understand the reasoning. Rodney White was a mistake, but that happens... a lot, to a lot of teams. Then comes the string of European league picks. I think where Dumars probably made his biggest mistake was putting too much into what his scouts where telling him. As far as Darko was concerned,that pick was high risk /high reward, and the pistons could afford to do it because they were going to be good regardless. Its just that draft was just so deep and good and the Pistons got nothing out of it. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1248 Registered: 01-2004 |
Looks like Billups will be a Piston again whether he likes it or not. Nobody else is paying too much attention to him. |
