  Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 1092 Registered: 01-2006 |
Based on discussion from Valenti & Foster on 97.1... I agree completely with Mike on this one. Assuming that Osgood has 1 more decent season he will finish somewhere between 10th and 8th in all-time wins. He is currently 2nd in wins for the franchise, and his playoff win% is one of the greatest of all time. Behind Sawchuk he is clearly the 2nd best goalie in Red Wings history. What do you think? Resume (assuming cup win this season and respectable 2009): 3 Stanley cups, 2 as starter 2nd winningest goalie in Red Wings history 8th on NHL career wins list | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 7715 Registered: 11-2004 |
Hmmm, interesting. For HOF voting though, I'd have to toss out the Red Wings' stats. He was on some pretty amazing teams (this current one included). I'd try to look at his NHL career as a whole and try to use that as a criteria. His all time NHL wins MIGHT catapult him in but then again, maybe not. And while he might have been on 3 Stanley Cup teams, didn't Mike Vernon win one of them, Dominik Hasek the other and he only won one as the starter? | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 1095 Registered: 01-2006 |
He was not part of the 2002 team...he was with the Islanders that season. I was assuming he goes on to win it this season. I think we should remember that he played quite a bit in 96-97. Bowman turned to Vernon when it came to the playoffs though. I think any hall of fame calibur player needs the help of their teammates to get there. Delvecchio had Howe and gang Aikman had Smith and Irvin and gang Pippen had Jordan and gang | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 7718 Registered: 11-2004 |
Here's to hoping your psychic powers are dead on! | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 663 Registered: 12-2006 |
Can't punish a player because he was on a good team. | ||
Tkshreve Member Username: Tkshreve Post Number: 306 Registered: 07-2006 |
Ozzie has been consistent and active for a long time. I feel he is in his prime after years and years of play. He has so much experience and is applying that to this Cup run. Depending on his play over the upcoming few seasons, if he does more of the same, I think he will be a shoe in. | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 268 Registered: 03-2007 |
What is his total lifetime win/loss record? If it's what I think it is, it's not hall of fame caliber. Not even close to the Dominator, I would guess. | ||
Downriviera Member Username: Downriviera Post Number: 325 Registered: 02-2008 |
I hope he makes it. The bigger question is does Eric Lindros make it into the HOF. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1118 Registered: 11-2003 |
http://www.hockey-goalies.net/ dates.asp I'm hardly a big hockey fan, but does he really stack up against those that are currently in the hall? Not a lot of goalies in the HOF. Only two have been inducted since the late 80's. | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 405 Registered: 11-2007 |
The list of average players in the Hockey Hall of Fame is huge. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 664 Registered: 12-2006 |
Lindros doesn't stand a chance. No cup wins, injury prone, faded in big games. The best trade the Quebec Nordiques/Colorado Avalanche franchise ever made was to trade him to the Flyers after they drafted him for Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Chris Simon, Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, two first round picks, and $15 million. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 1098 Registered: 01-2006 |
I liked Lindros and his style of play, but concussions and other injuries kept him down. He should not make the HHoF, but he should be honored by the Flyers. He kept that franchise on the good path through the mid-late 90's. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 665 Registered: 12-2006 |
In a few years, it will be hard not to make a case for him to end up in the hall. He had 27 regular season wins this year...as a backup. I'm willing to bet that Hasek is done all together or that the Wings are done with him. He'll get more wins as a starter than as a backup. However, just for conversation's sake, lets assume that over the course of the next 3 seasons he averages about the same win total. That would provide him with 81 additional regular season wins to go on top of his 363 he has now for a total of 444. That would put him in 6th place all time in wins ahead of Jacques Plante, Tony Esposito, Glen Hall, and Grant Fuhr and only 3 behind Terry Sawchuk for 5th. In fact, if Osgood hadn't spent so many years as a backup to other great goaltenders like Vernon and Hasek, he might very well have been in contention to move into the top 3 or 4 along with the other great goaltenders of his generation like Roy, Brodeur, and Belfour. I think image might be what keeps Osgood out of the hall more than anything else. Even though he is clearly an accomplished netminder in his own right, some people, I feel, view him as a glorified Manny Legace. I think even most Detroit fans view him as the solid backup and occasional starter because as a younger goalie he spent a lot of time backing up some other greats who happened to be a few seasons older and more experienced at the time. | ||
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch Post Number: 1196 Registered: 02-2006 |
I think he is under rated. If he is around a few more years and keeps it up, his time will come. Not yet though. | ||
Downriviera Member Username: Downriviera Post Number: 329 Registered: 02-2008 |
I agree, his image hurts him. He doesn't have the name brand recognition of a Roy or Brodeur. But who knows, he still has time to make a name for himself. He's come a long way from that day he gave away that puck up the boards to San Jose in the playoffs. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 1100 Registered: 01-2006 |
It says a lot when you look at the goalies that have come through Detroit since Ozzy has been here, and in the end we keep coming back to Mr Dependable. Mike Vernon Curtis Joseph Dominic Hasek Ozzy's struggles early in his career helped him become reliable in the 98 playoffs. The Ozzy we are seeing right now is the direct result of the fumbles early in his career, and maturity buit over the years. | ||
Jfre66_77 Member Username: Jfre66_77 Post Number: 83 Registered: 01-2006 |
Regular Season Stats through the end of this season (from NHL.com) Osgood 664 games played 363 wins 195 losses 66 ties 15 OT 47 shutouts GAA 2.43 Sv% .907 Hasek 735 games played 389 wins 223 losses 93 ties 13 OT 96 shutouts GAA 2.20 Sv% .922 For comparison, Grant Fuhr's stats; 868 Games played 403 wins 295 losses 114 ties 25 shutouts GAA = 3.38 sv% below .9 Considering that he still has some career ahead of him, in my opinion he is on track for hall of fame. The knock that he has played on stacked teams is not a valid point. Most players that are in the hall have been on successful teams. | ||
Hornist9 Member Username: Hornist9 Post Number: 131 Registered: 05-2005 |
Last night Ozzie past Terry Sawchuk for all time playoff wins by a Wings goalie. Since he's returned to the Wings, he's been very steady. A good team guy, he waited for his opportunity and seized it! I get the impression that he never wanted to leave in the first place. He did what he had to do to get back in that Winged Wheel jersey. A rhetorical question for everyone. Would the Wings have made the finals if Dom was still in the nets? Let's chew on that for a while. | ||
Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass Post Number: 695 Registered: 01-2007 |
I can't see the Wings re-signing Dom. Time to bring up Jimmy Howard. | ||
Umbound Member Username: Umbound Post Number: 151 Registered: 02-2008 |
I love the Wizard of Oz. He is really underrated, probably one the most underrated overall players in the NHL. I think if he keeps his pace up for a few more seasons he is a shoe in for the HOF if he isnt already. But Jimmy Howard needs to come up now he is the Future from what i hear. | ||
Tkshreve Member Username: Tkshreve Post Number: 351 Registered: 07-2006 |
Jimmy Howard could be the future, but he remains untested in a season-wide sense. The Wings are capable of finding various other young talents to fill any void left between the pipes due to retirement, injury, trade or lack of consistency and talent. Don't worry about Detroit scouting. Ozzie does have a very strong chance at ending up in the hall of fame. According to a radio caller yesterday, he made a very strong point about how every goalie with 400+ career wins is currently in the HoF. I don't think Ozzie will have a tremendous amount of difficulty reaching this achievement, barring injury or retirement. Regarding injury and retirement, I can't remember a time when Ozzie has ever been injured and I think he has several good years left. What does his current and future contracts look like? My vague recollection says he was either just signed for 2 years, or offered 2 years, or being looked at for a 2 year extension. Go Wings! | ||
Jfre66_77 Member Username: Jfre66_77 Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2006 |
Correction - Hasek - 81 regular season shutouts. | ||
Defendbrooklyn Member Username: Defendbrooklyn Post Number: 941 Registered: 11-2005 |
If he can shit the pens out for an entire stanley cup finals put him in! | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 694 Registered: 12-2006 |
defendbrooklyn, I assume you meant shut, but shit works just as well I guess. He is eating them alive. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 1082 Registered: 05-2004 |
I'd like to see how Roy Edwards would have done with this batch of Wings in front of him. How did Ozzie do away from the Wings? That should answer the Hall of Fame questions. He's a good goalie but not a great one. |
