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Username: Canuc_420
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 7:02 am: |    |
detroit city sinking and Monica dont know how to swim.Buy stock in plywood cobo is a big place. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 3837
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 8:23 am: | |
quote:Finley's hit-and-run style writing is exactly why someone as bat-shit crazy as Monica Conyers can get away with the shit she does. If folks like Finley want to keep seeing people like Conyers elected and re-elected, well, then, they should keep doing what they are doing.
Exactly. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 3838
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 8:36 am: | |
quote:Even Frank Beckmann, who regularly falls into the hack category, managed to crank out a more useful and coherent column than Finley:
I agree that Beckman's opine was a very on point assessment. And it got the point across without the race-baiting or misleading the reader into thinking that it was a unanimous vote by the council. |
Bob
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Username: Bob
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 8:47 am: | |
None of this changes the fact that Monica Conyers is a nut job and has no clue what she is doing. She just condemned Cobo Center to being a second class dump that will completely be on Detroit tab once the statewide tax stops in 2015. Doe she think after screwing this up that there is any political will to want to do anything when this deal was three years of negotiations in the making. She does not seem to care (or be aware of) the fact she just gave companies one more reason to not come to our region, when this deal would have been one to show outsiders we can work as a region, which is what we really need to do. |
Alan55
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Username: Alan55
Post Number: 2602
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 8:59 am: | |
Findlay is a shameless hypocrite. Over the past years, he has remained curiously silent on the antics of (white, conservative) Senator David Jaye, the (white, conservative) Warren City Council and former Mayor, and the (white, conservative) Sterlng Heights City Council. Compared to the above embarassing clowns, the Detroit City Council comes off much more favorably.
Apparently, the unprofessional buffonery of suburban politicians are not worth critical review by Findlay, especially if they share his political outloook. |
Tkshreve
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Username: Tkshreve
Post Number: 766
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 9:21 am: | |
Thank you Bob for pointing out the underlying situation and what needs to be fixed -- first.
I can see no reason for racial harmony and desegregation if Detroit has no willingness to work with suburban 'folk'........ white suburban 'folk' at that. It is simple....... give the people a reason to stay in Detroit. The exodus happening in Metropolitan Detroit is alarming.
Every minute Monica Conyers stays at the helm, she is given another chance to soapbox her jaded, divisive views onto the impressionable likes of regular Detroiters. Don't tell me the city population is not affected by this. The publics' track record of elected officials can speak for itself.
Mr. Finley does provide an edgy piece on segregation within public office. That's exactly what it's going to be any time you write about that topic: Edgy. It's not easy to cover this stuff without ruffling feathers. Don't shoot the messenger.
quote:I couldn't agree more with the article. Not giving someone the dignity of speaking because he was white? Those workers look like you...?!?? Don't you say his name here? Unacceptable.
I was appauled after reading these excerpts from the meeting. How can any of you Finley detractors defend THIS type of government?
BTW - very interesting to hear about the Livonia Coucil meeting. The testimonials of what really transpired are a breath of fresh air. For the media to center around one comment which could be used to paint with a wide brush is despicable at best. But once again, it got the intended job done. |
Cinderpath
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Username: Cinderpath
Post Number: 944
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 9:22 am: | |
Who is a bigger partisan hack: Nolan Finley or Blksoul_x ? They are opposite sides of the same coin that needs to be tossed.......
Sorry Blksoul_x, but your inability to deal with valid criticism makes you no different than those being criticized, and those whom you criticize. It has gotten old, predictable and is merely looking for a reaction. Our reaction is a yawn......... |
Bobl
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Username: Bobl
Post Number: 589
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 9:27 am: | |
Nolan Finley has always been a "conservative hack". He ignores the "antics of (white, conservative) Senator David Jaye, the (white, conservative) Warren City Council and former Mayor, and the (white, conservative) Sterlng Heights City Council.", as Alan55 states.
But, was anything in this column untrue? |
Firstandten
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Username: Firstandten
Post Number: 738
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 9:51 am: | |
The content of the article was never under dispute by anyone on here, but the tone is being rightly questioned. |
Novine
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Username: Novine
Post Number: 1166
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:04 am: | |
"I was appauled after reading these excerpts from the meeting. How can any of you Finley detractors defend THIS type of government? "
Nice strawman argument. I didn't see anyone criticizing Finley's column as defending the actions of the City Council. My point, and others as well, is that Finley's diatribe serves no purpose. Please tell me this, what did you learn from Finley's column that you did not know before you read it? Anything? Compare that to Frank Beckmann's take on the issue. It was informative and addressed the problems and why what was offered was a real solution. I'm no fan of Frank's but I'm willing to give him his due on this as compared to Finley. Finley was just pouring gas on the fire with no good intentions as far as I can tell. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 3840
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:54 am: | |
quote:But, was anything in this column untrue?
YES. His column suggested that the decision to block the Cobo deal was unanimous. |
Tkshreve
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Username: Tkshreve
Post Number: 767
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:27 am: | |
quote:Nice strawman argument. I didn't see anyone criticizing Finley's column as defending the actions of the City Council.
Yet I sit here and await just one person who disagrees with Finley to condemn the blatant racial predjudices that have taken ahold of Detroit City Council. Not one person who disagrees with Finley has stepped forward and said this is unacceptable and inevitably our demise. Instead, the lot of you deflect the issue by providing accounts of suburban city coucils and racist populations in Livonia. Of which the Livonia incident seems to have been exonerated (here and only here), not to anyone's admission all the same. The last I checked, this was an article about DETROIT CITY COUNCIL, not the suburbs. So if you want a strawman argument, keep bringing up off-topic accounts of what's going on OUTSIDE of the city.
quote:Please tell me this, what did you learn from Finley's column that you did not know before you read it? Anything?
I truly did not know how literal the Detroit City Council (Monica mainly) has become with racist tactics and hate for subrurban whites. I have never been to a council meeting, but now I see why. I wouldn't be allowed to speak. Not just because I am from a suburb, but ALSO because I am white. |
Detroitbill
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Username: Detroitbill
Post Number: 688
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:56 am: | |
Monica is pretty stupid. I was sitting next to her once recently when a burb racist remark came out and for some reason I got a glance. When I mentioned to her after I live in the city , not burbs , she had that look like she didnt realized anyone white lived in the city. I just go home shaking my head. This whole issue should have nothing to do with skin pigmentation, we have a aging inadequate facility, no money to maintain it, have finally built the infrastructure to attract conventions ( hotels, restaurants, entertainement, casinos etc) a viable exit strategy to make it work and these fools refuse. I care less about the skin color, I'm deeply concerned about the enormous amount of empty space in their heads. My neighbors ( of all colors) are equally stunned.
(Message edited by DetroitBill on March 02, 2009) |
Bragaboutme
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Username: Bragaboutme
Post Number: 619
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 12:49 pm: | |
I see it from a different angle. I think the votes were swayed by Monica 5-3, because of the Fed case. Three we know of are clean the other five are suspect, bottom line. They have succeeded in creating a diversion yet again by bringing race into the picture and everyone is eating it up. Say what you will, but I think it is deeper than just race.
I think a great point was missed. Why was the vote swayed? I think we should focus on that instead of bickering about who is more of a racist. The editorial was wrong in the fact that eveyone agrees that Monica is a nut. It didn't bring to light the true reason why council members voted the way they did. If they dropped the ball I want to know why and how. A good deal should truly be a good deal, not "the best deal your going to get". |
Locke09
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Username: Locke09
Post Number: 15
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:01 pm: | |
quote:A good deal should truly be a good deal, not "the best deal your going to get".
Finally, someone else believes that "take it or leave it" is not the way to get cooperation.
Where is the meaningful discussion about what could be done to make this more palatable? |
Bobby08
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Username: Bobby08
Post Number: 150
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:15 pm: | |
"Anyway, I maintain at least a couple of council members will be "one term and done" now that the voters have seen what they are about."
1. Martha Reeves (Get her raggedy wig wearing, old ass, no action, never in attendance, looking for a comeback otta here!) |
Bobby08
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Username: Bobby08
Post Number: 151
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:16 pm: | |
"Anyway, I maintain at least a couple of council members will be "one term and done" now that the voters have seen what they are about."
1. Martha Reeves (Get her raggedy wig wearing, old ass, no action, never in attendance, looking for a comeback otta here!) |
Cinderpath
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Username: Cinderpath
Post Number: 946
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:17 pm: | |
quote:
"A good deal should truly be a good deal, not "the best deal your going to get".
-Then
"Finally, someone else believes that "take it or leave it" is not the way to get cooperation.
Where is the meaningful discussion about what could be done to make this more palatable?"
-In a perfect world yes, but these are not ordinary times, I think about everybody agrees with that. A good deal would also be that everybody gets a raise this year, but a lot of people are getting pay cuts or are losing their jobs.
Seriously, the voters in this state are in no mood for antics and politics of the Detroit City Council. They may tell them, "take it or leave it", and if they don't take it some other municipality will gladly take the money for one of their projects, without the all drama. The next big fight will be getting the Water Dept. out of city control. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 3841
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:22 pm: | |
quote:I think a great point was missed. Why was the vote swayed?
I agree that Conyer's motives need to be examined more closely. I don't think it was done to keep "a jewel in the hands of Detroiters". I was thinking that she did it to embarrass KC. |
Locke09
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Username: Locke09
Post Number: 17
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:33 pm: | |
quote:The next big fight will be getting the Water Dept. out of city control.
And so the threats continue, and provide additional ammunition for the conspiracy theorists who say "They just want to take over Detroit".
BTW, the long-standing belief that the suburbs are trying to take over the Water Department is part of what has given radicals like 'Call 'Em Out' and people like Monica Conyers their support base.
So how do threats like this help the situation? They actually prevent more sober-minded Detroiters from being able to sway the masses. The masses simply label these people as traitors. |
Detroitbill
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Username: Detroitbill
Post Number: 690
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:59 pm: | |
Detroit should be taken over by regional government. It is proving itself unable to function on its own with its present group of stooges. |
Novine
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Username: Novine
Post Number: 1168
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 2:05 pm: | |
"So if you want a strawman argument, keep bringing up off-topic accounts of what's going on OUTSIDE of the city."
Wow, you defend your first phony argument with more phony arguments! I didn't bring up such accounts and while others might have, you should direct your response to them, not me.
"I truly did not know how literal the Detroit City Council (Monica mainly) has become with racist tactics and hate for subrurban whites."
Nice try. Monica's MO has been well-established for some time. Try paying attention.
"I have never been to a council meeting, but now I see why."
Are you kidding me? Like we're supposed to believe that you were ready to head down to a City Council meeting but now you're not because of this "revelation"? If you're going to make stuff up, try to make it plausible. This is a joke.
"The next big fight will be getting the Water Dept. out of city control."
It's also foolish because it's not going to happen. The control of the water dept. is protected by the state constitution. Who's going to lead the petition drive to strip that control? No one, that's who. |
Bobby08
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Username: Bobby08
Post Number: 153
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 2:52 pm: | |
"I see it from a different angle. I think the votes were swayed by Monica 5-3, because of the Fed case. Three we know of are clean the other five are suspect, bottom line. They have succeeded in creating a diversion yet again by bringing race into the picture and everyone is eating it up. Say what you will, but I think it is deeper than just race."
+1. I too belive this vote was a pre-requesite for the upcoming "indictees" to play the race card to their advantage to the upmost in terms protectimg themselves from legal doom! I hope they all are thrown under the jail! |
Tkshreve
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Username: Tkshreve
Post Number: 770
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 3:46 pm: | |
Upcoming indictees????!!!
That has been stewing way too long now. I am losing faith that the 'oh so obviously' guilty parties are just not big enough fish for the FBI to be frying. <sigh> |
Bobby08
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Username: Bobby08
Post Number: 154
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 3:51 pm: | |
Be Cool Tkshreve,
Judgement Day Cometh |
Soulhawk
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Username: Soulhawk
Post Number: 146
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 4:58 pm: | |
This seems to be a clear cut case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
(Message edited by soulhawk on March 02, 2009) |
Jacqueline
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Username: Jacqueline
Post Number: 45
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 5:06 pm: | |
The original Cobo deal called for a seven member authority with Detroit and Wayne County having two votes each, and Oakland, Macomb and the state having one vote each. I think a voice from the past told the five to vote against the Cobo deal. |
Locke09
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Username: Locke09
Post Number: 18
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 5:26 pm: | |
quote:The original Cobo deal called for a seven member authority with Detroit and Wayne County having two votes each, and Oakland, Macomb and the state having one vote each.
I actually think that is better for several reasons.
1. Detroit would not have an automatic majority and would have to persuade two others to vote along with the City.
2. You would expect Wayne County to have the City's best interests at heart, but also to act as a check and balance to "keep Detroit honest". In other words, Wayne County probably would not easily be persuaded to do anything that is harmful for Detroit, but also would act as a voice of reason if Detroit wanted something unreasonable or foolish.
3. I keep thinking that a 5-member authority, with each individual having veto power spells "stalemate" in this state. Look how long it took to get even this deal done. 100% consensus? I'm not confident in that structure.
In fact, Ficano acknowledges that the 7-member structure is what he had originally proposed. Apparently it was agreed to change it to 5 members in the wee hours of the morning. |
Lmichigan
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Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 4208
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:04 pm: | |
quote:I agree that Conyer's motives need to be examined more closely. I don't think it was done to keep "a jewel in the hands of Detroiters". I was thinking that she did it to embarrass KC.
I don't think we need to study Conyers motives more closely. There are a number of motives plainly obvious, even if she never admits them.
What I want to know is how'd she get Tinsley-Talabi to switch her vote? I know how she got to Reeves dumb ass, and JoAnn Watson obviously would never support the plan as it was stuctured given her former antics. But, how did she get Tinsley-Talabi? Did she threaten her with something? Isn't Tinsley-Talabi also amongst those council persons under investigation?
And, therein lies the problem of Finley's focus and tone. This is more about the FBI investigation and inter-council fueds/beefs, and Monica wanting to show her power more than anything else.
The real problem with how this is viewed is that a largely white readership wants their opinions of the city to be validated, and they found it in Finley, who's also long since made up his mind about the city. As usual, they see an almost completely black council, and are unable and unwilling to ascribe humanity to each of the members, instead, trying to paint them as all the same. We'd have a more intelligent discussion of issues like this if people would admit that council is made up over 9 very different people, with 9 different personalities, and varyingly different interests.
The idea that this vote was nothing more some sweeping racial statement is just patently ridiculous. This thing has so many moving parts it's not even funny. I think one of the bigger moving parts of this not often discussed is the huge local union presence that has an interest in keeping things as close to the current state of thigns as possible. |
Zrx_doug
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Username: Zrx_doug
Post Number: 782
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:13 am: | |
Has anyone got an address for the city council video referenced in this article?
I'd really like to preserve this shining example of MonCon's idiocy and racism, but I can't find the dang thing anywhere on line.. |