 
Lilpup
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 12:53 pm: |    |
If your choices were Bing without a degree or MonCon or Kwame with law degrees (and the supporting undergrad degrees), which would you choose? |
Bobl
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 12:55 pm: | |
B_x: Your quote:
"...Reversely speaking, other than some basic skills, it doesn't take much, if you are white, other than the 'norm' for people to join certain institution(s) of their choice."
That, sir, is a bunch of bullshit.
Malcolm X has been quoted: “Without education, you are not going anywhere in this world.”
That applies today, regardless of race. |
Crawford
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 12:57 pm: | |
Personally I would not vote if those were our only choices.
But those aren't our choices. We know Bing is a liar and potential felon. Cockrel seems to be a decent guy, and there are no claims of massive fraud/misrepresentation like with Bing. |
Crawford
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:06 pm: | |
And is Monica Conyers really a lawyer? She is not a member of the bar in MI. Did she ever pass the bar?
Are you a lawyer if you never pass the bar?
I'm pretty sure she went to DC School of Law, which is basically open admissions, and the worst law school in the country. That said, at least she isn't lying about her credentials. |
Purpleheart
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:21 pm: | |
Look Mr. Blackhol it is a long standing argument between those on campus with athletic scholarships verses those who have to stand on their own two feet with merits in the classroom.
Athletes who are academic scholars are the exception to the norm not the other way around.
The point that I tried to make was that as an active duty member of the US Military I was not afforded any leniency what so ever in the pursuit of my degree. And I think I would not have had it any other way. Because obtaining the degree is only half the battle, the rest is proving your worth in the world "with it."
I was happy I did satisfy this goal and it came in handy not only in commanding the men who I served with in armed conflicts around the world, but it proved unequaled when now as a civilian I can beat my sword into a plow.
There is no equivalent in life to education, no short way around it, it's go through the process or make do without it. |
Thefishwrap
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:24 pm: | |
What really concerns me about the situation is that he wouldn't talk directly to the Free Press about it -- waited to see what they would publish, and then directed his comments accordingly. Why wouldn't he face the Free Press straight up? If it's really one paper, then why couldn't he have just told them that? It just doesn't pass the smell test to me. |
Spiritofdetroit
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:25 pm: | |
Haha, I love his comment along the lines of: "I don't have an MBA. I meant about my experiences. My business experience was enough to make me feel like I desrved an MBA"
What a joke. Vote Cockrel |
Ndavies
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:34 pm: | |
Syracuse verifies he has his degree. Does it really matter what date is stamped on it? Is the Knowledge important or the piece of paper?
Too many peple worried about initials after a name, not enough worried about the value of a mans work. |
Zrx_doug
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:36 pm: | |
Cool.
First MonCon, Barbara Rose "creeping senility" Collins and Martha & the Vandellas openly support Bing, Now BSX throws his hat in the ring as well..
Do ya REALLY need any more information than that to know Ken Cockrel is the best choice we've got? |
Professorscott
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:48 pm: | |
I don't give a rat's ass whether he has a degree, or what degree, or from where. What bothers me is that Mr. Bing, who is by all accounts fairly intelligent, is so politically inastute that he would lie, publicly and flagrantly, about a fact which can be easily verified.
So it's not the degree that bugs me; it's that he would tell a whopper about something that anybody could check up on, and of course somebody did.
This is a novice-politician mistake, and we don't need a novice running Detroit right now, and dealing with SEMCOG and the State and Federal government, and the people who live on City Council Planet, and Wayne County, and so on.
I don't live in Detroit so I can only vote indirectly, but all of my indirect votes will be going to Mr. Cockrel. I believe he is the best choice we have right now, and a pretty decent choice, at that. |
Crumbled_pavement
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:50 pm: | |
I don't how I feel about this latest Bing snafu. Issue is, a politician is a lying, scheming, no good, low down dirty filthy disgusting vile mutt that should be taken out back, beaten, tortured and killed. So in that regard, I guess Bing is just typical. If you scoured the U.S. from coast to coast, federal down to the local level, you might find 5 or 6 honest politicians. The words honest and politician just don't belong in the same sentence together. |
Zrx_doug
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:52 pm: | |
"The people who live on City Council Planet."
I actually blew coffee out my nose when I read that one..to quote The Felon, "LOL, LOL, LOL."
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_sj_
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 1:54 pm: | |
quote:LOL, sj, nice way to spin the article into new lies.
I didn't read the article, I am going by what the man said during a brief interview this morning.
quote:Reversely speaking, other than some basic skills, it doesn't take much, if you are white, other than the 'norm' for people to join certain institution(s) of their choice.
Amazing how often that is overlooked still today.
(Message edited by _sj_ on March 11, 2009) |
Ndavies
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 2:12 pm: | |
quote:I don't give a rat's ass whether he has a degree, or what degree, or from where. What bothers me is that Mr. Bing, who is by all accounts fairly intelligent, is so politically inastute that he would lie, publicly and flagrantly, about a fact which can be easily verified.
Obviously you've never dealt with industry sales people. Don't believe anything they tell you until the part ends up in your hands and you have verified it. It's not about if they will lie, It's how far they will stretch the lie. |
Zrx_doug
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 2:22 pm: | |
Sj, I dunno where you and BSX are getting your info..but color doesn't enter into it when one is applying to an institution of higher learning.
Meeting academic standards and being able to pay the fuggin' tuition, that's all it takes.
Are you suggesting that folks of darker skin tones don't have as many potential sources of student loans/grants/scholarships? |
Benfield
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 2:39 pm: | |
quote:Obviously you've never dealt with industry sales people. Don't believe anything they tell you until the part ends up in your hands and you have verified it. It's not about if they will lie, It's how far they will stretch the lie.
So what you are saying is that it's ok for Dave Bing to tell a lie because it's an occupational trait? |
Ndavies
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 2:56 pm: | |
I didn't say it was OK to lie. I’m just saying they are going to lie, You have to decide whether or not it's relevant to them getting the job done.
Lying about when he got a degree is not the same as lying about him getting the degree at all. |
Chrissy_snow
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 2:58 pm: | |
Um, he lied about having an MBA too.
Is it just me or are people NOT reading the article and getting the whole story before they comment?
(scratching head)
(Message edited by chrissy_snow on March 11, 2009) |
Locke09
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:07 pm: | |
If what Bing says is true (now) then it was an unnecessary lie. It was a lie about a little thing that probably wouldn't even have mattered if he had been honest about it from the beginning.
When people tell unnecessary lies, it is usually about vanity, ego, a need to be admired or accepted.
He certainly didn't need to tell that lie while he was playing basketball, did he? He founded the Bing Group in 1980, so he didn't need to tell the lie for that purpose either.
I don't know Dave Bing and I don't care which of the candidates becomes mayor. All I know is that I was taught to watch people who tell lies closely, and watch people who tell unnecessary lies very closely. |
Professorscott
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:23 pm: | |
Amen, Locke09. |
Purpleheart
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:27 pm: | |
inastute is not a word Scott |
Eastsidedame
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:28 pm: | |
Does he think this is, like, cheating on an exam? |
Fnemecek
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:36 pm: | |
quote:What a joke. Vote Cockrel
Yes, vote Cockrel. It's easier than caring about what happens to Detroit.
quote:This would be a felony and could get you many years in jail if you used it to apply for graduate school or student loans.
It would not be a felony. It would get you kicked out of grad school, but it's not a felony.
Likewise, lying on a resume could get you fired. However, that's not a felony either.
quote:But those aren't our choices. We know Bing is a liar and potential felon. Cockrel seems to be a decent guy, and there are no claims of massive fraud/misrepresentation like with Bing.
Calling Bing a "potential felon" is so far from being substantiated that it's not even funny.
As for Cockrel, what do you call it when someone takes a paycheck without doing the work he was assigned to do?
I'll give you a hint: it's something that will get you fired too.
quote:This is a novice-politician mistake, and we don't need a novice running Detroit right now, and dealing with SEMCOG and the State and Federal government, and the people who live on City Council Planet, and Wayne County, and so on.
I agree that it's a novice mistake. Unfortunately, it still represents the best option we have for May.
quote:I don't live in Detroit so I can only vote indirectly, but all of my indirect votes will be going to Mr. Cockrel. I believe he is the best choice we have right now, and a pretty decent choice, at that.
#1. Calling Cockrel a "decent choice" is like calling AIG an outstanding investment option; something that you should pour your entire 401k into.
#2. I invite you to come spend some time living in Detroit's neighborhoods. Talk to any of the 3,500 people who have had to dial 9-1-1 in the past week for a police emergency - but who never saw a cop show up. |
Purpleheart
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:42 pm: | |
[quote]Bing has made the MBA claim at least once -- in the same video on the retired players' Web site.
"I got an MBA from the General Motors Institute, after I got into business," Bing responded about preparing for life after basketball.
The Flint-based school, now known as Kettering University, has no record of Bing receiving an MBA.
"Dave does not have an MBA," Russell said. "He knows that."
Russell had no explanation for why Bing said he had the advanced degree.
Kettering did award Bing an honorary doctor of management degree in 2000. Bing also has honorary degrees from the University of Michigan and Syracuse.[end quote Detroit Free Press 3/11/2009]
I should have qualified my former statement and say Kettering does not give an Honorary MBA. The quote above shows that they in fact gave him an Honorary Doctor of Management. |
Professorscott
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:47 pm: | |
Purpleheart,
Astute does not have a direct antonym (reference works suggest nothing better than "stupid"). I needed a direct antonym, so I made up the word "inastute".
Since you wrote that, I looked it up, and it is actually a very common non-word. So perhaps years hence, it will enter the dictionary, along such modern uses as "d'oh" and the use of "microwave" and "google" as verbs.
Just to fully disclose, though, I must confess I did not receive that word, in an honorary fashion or otherwise, from any University |
Purpleheart
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 3:55 pm: | |
lol scott ^5 |
Locke09
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 4:02 pm: | |
quote:Since you wrote that, I looked it up, and it is actually a very common non-word. So perhaps years hence, it will enter the dictionary, along such modern uses as "d'oh" and the use of "microwave" and "google" as verbs.
I was arguing vehemently with some young people last year that "conversate" is not a word. It might not have been then, but it is now (although still considered slang) and I had to apologize. |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 4:03 pm: | |
Bing made the claim he never said MBA this morning.
quote:Sj, I dunno where you and BSX are getting your info..but color doesn't enter into it when one is applying to an institution of higher learning.
In a perfect world, but we all know it isn't |
Professorscott
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 4:05 pm: | |
I'd still argue it, Locke, a la Nero Wolfe. "Conversate" might be a word, or becoming one, but it's not a word in my classroom.
(Example for those unfamiliar with the aforementioned fictional detective: "Archie, 'contact' is not, and never will be, a verb in this house.") |
Crawford
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 4:15 pm: | |
quote:
It would not be a felony. It would get you kicked out of grad school, but it's not a felony.
It could absolutely be a felony in some jurisdictions.
There's a young lady who was recently sentenced to a number of years in CT prison from her fradulent matriculation at Yale.
Her student loan companies are pursuing additional criminal charges against her.
Could this be criminal or felonious behavior in the business world? Any lawyers care to comment? |