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Sg9018
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 5:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dream of regional rail-transit system is nearing reality
http://www.freep.com/article/2 0090316/BUSINESS04/903160367/D ream+of+regional+rail-transit+ system+is+nearing+reality
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 5:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And, again, Gallagher (who wrote one other article about transit, recently), fails to even mention the DDOT proposal like it doesn't even exist. What's the deal?
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Dtowncitylover
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 10:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Notice, though, there was no mention of the streetcar, just light rail. Perhaps they've merged already, the word hasn't gotten out, and light rail is the one they're going with.
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Hans57
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Dtown, I think you have your rails confused. The M1-rail is the streetcar, not the DDOT light rail.

(Message edited by hans57 on March 16, 2009)

(Message edited by hans57 on March 16, 2009)
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Stosh
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Well the article above calls it M1-Rail, a light rail system. Tomato-Tomahto.
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Dcmorrison12
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Well, the correct name for the the street car would be Modern Street Car - but it is also light rail, in the sense that it is not heavy rail (subways, elevated trains).

But, it also is not LRT
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Detmsp
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if you look at the pdf's accomanying the article it says something along the lines of "there are two types of light rail, modern street car vehicles and light rail transit vehicles"

so apparently they consider street cars to be light rail
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Professorscott
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 12:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Federal Transit Administration considers a streetcar to be a form of light rail.

Dtown said "Perhaps they've merged already", and then Hans ignored that in his post. The original M1-rail plan called for modern streetcar, but it has been reported they've had talks with DTOGS, and who knows what might have come of that?

What's important are: how frequently do the vehicles come, how many passengers can they move, at what speed do they operate. Give me good answers to those three things and I don't care if you're running on a 65-foot-long streetcar or a 90-foot-long multi-articulated Bombardier wonder. People want service that works, and aren't going to stress over these kinds of details.
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Brian_fitzcarraldo
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 12:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so what's the difference between street cars and LRT?
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Dtowncitylover
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oh no, not this discussion again. we already have a thread on this.
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Russix
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John Gallagher is apparently very biased in his reporting and is a tool for M1-RAIL. If the M1-RAIL design ever becomes public before its actually built he needs to do a comparison article with DTOGS to redeem himself.

^"so what's the difference between street cars and LRT?"
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/179477.html?1236981561

^"it has been reported they've had talks with DTOGS, and who knows what might have come of that? "

Wrote into DTOGS and received this reply
"We continue to work towards merging the DTOGS project and the M-1 Rail project. It is true that the M-1 Rail group has moved forward with their project but we are working together on making the two projects one. Many of these conversations have occurred and continue to occur. DTOGS is working under the FTA and NEPA guidelines and regulations.

The DTOGS project hopes to have NEPA Scoping (or public meetings) in May 2009. We will let you know when these meetings will be occuring.

Once again, thanks for your support on the DTOGS - Woodward Avenue LRT project"
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 11:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was beginning to believe John Gallagher was black-balling DTOG's proposal, and it looks like I may be right.

BTW, I don't know why anyone should simply assume that DTOG's and M1-RAIL's plans have been reconciled. If anything, it would seem that the two are still at odds with one another and DTOG's bullshit response as displayed in the reply, above, is proof of that. There'd be no other reason for M1-RAIL to be whoring it up so much in the media, on its own, if it'd already been reconciled with the DTOG proposal.
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Kahnman
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Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 11:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What the heck?!? No Trainman post?!?!

Something MUST have happened to him...

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