  Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 320 Registered: 06-2007 |
Did anyone see the strange contrails over the area last monday? sorry for the cell pic.  | ||
Zrx_doug Member Username: Zrx_doug Post Number: 930 Registered: 03-2008 |
It's these guys..they're just waiting for us to finish beating our swords into plowshares, then they're gonna descend on us like the wrath of God..  Don't sweat it..I've got LOTS of boards with nails in 'em..  | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 321 Registered: 06-2007 |
did they also do the square one too?  | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4299 Registered: 11-2007 |
Maybe the mothership.  | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 322 Registered: 06-2007 |
No I don't believe in the chemtrail bs or ufos, just wondering if anyone else saw them. (Message edited by karl jr. on March 26, 2009) | ||
Zrx_doug Member Username: Zrx_doug Post Number: 932 Registered: 03-2008 |
The first one was prolly just some NASCAR driver taking his first flight lesson.. | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 785 Registered: 08-2006 |
The Halotrail! I can't believe you saw it too. I took a huge shot of it. The image is tiny here but this is a stitch of 5 vertical frames.  I was heading out of the house and saw this towering over my street. Stopped in my tracks, ran right back upstairs, grabbed the camera and started shooting. Funny because no one else seemed to notice it. And then as it got darker there was this incredible 'sun dog' or sun flare hanging out below the halo on the horizon.  What a weird day. | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 323 Registered: 06-2007 |
Yea, I saw the sundog too! only had a freaking cellphone camera though. | ||
Switchmanjim Member Username: Switchmanjim Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2008 |
I looked up and wondered if someone was playing tic-tac-toe... | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 283 Registered: 10-2003 |
What, you've never seen Barbara Rose-Collins' cosmic hovercraft? | ||
Reddog289 Member Username: Reddog289 Post Number: 1012 Registered: 08-2007 |
I know I missed them, Wish I'd been able to seen them live. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 3068 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hey - thats a nice shot of that Sun Dog. I see those occasionally, but most people dont know them by name. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9130 Registered: 12-2003 |
Never, EVER have I seen anything circular from these folks...curious. They usually only cross the contrails in an X with a certain thirty-or-so degree angle, which when viewed via satellite provides EXACT targeting info for the HAARP Electro-Magnetic-Generator folks to aim their beam at, and gives precise cloud heights so they don't allow the energy to perforate the clouds every time they flip the switch! They must've REALLY not wanted the targeteers to miss this one! Notice the cross inside the circle...double mark the important targets! Everyone would notice exact geometric shapes in the clouds if they were more common, it is funny enough that most buy the cover story for chemtrails, and still only will call them contrails, which are very different things. One is intentional and probably very dangerous, the other merely disturbances behind jets at atmosphere layer temperature differentials. Those fade away very quickly, chemtrails linger and will usually have a rainbow sheen to them as the chemicals dissipate into the atmosphere. How close was that square punched through the clouds to the circle?! The angular geometric cuts through clouds often indicate use of the Tesla-EM-beam weather-manipulation (or worse) technology. This EM beam can either heat or cool anything that is water based...think about it as a microwave oven with a 'freezer' option on the atomic motion...all microwave ovens DO is accelerate the vibrations of the water molecules in your food. Depending upon the frequency transmitted, they are now able to super-heat or super-cool anything that contains water molecules...and the weather-wars are a distinct possibility. Why do you think it is such a big deal that the Chinese and Russians can knock our satellites out of orbit?! They know, because they've been after this technology for decades, too! It would be curious to see...usually with contrails and EM-manipulation, when you see the stuff above you it will affect those downwind in a few hours to a half day. All of this was covered in the 1950's articles in Popular Science (or other similar magazines) postulating on the 'wonderful' very useful effects a Tesla-derived tool (or weapon) might deliver...it is time for me to go look them all up, I guess. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4306 Registered: 11-2007 |
All humor and theories aside, I do find them quite interesting, and have never seen anything like it before, including being in a Carrier Battle group with F-14's. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4307 Registered: 11-2007 |
It's Bob Lutz, showing the cash reserves of General Motors.  | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 324 Registered: 06-2007 |
Not being a very good judge of distances from the ground I would guess the circle was over the downriver area around southgate etc, and the square was around romulus or just north. I was at michigan and livernois. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9132 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thanks, Karl. I wonder, given the 45,000 miles-or-so round trip bouncing off one of the stratosphere layers and back from Alaska how much of a margin of error in targeting that is, then. Keep your heads UP...they usually perform these over a few days, so it could get even more curious tonight. Then, look OUT east coast with horrible weekend weather... | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9133 Registered: 12-2003 |
Funny, I just checked at www.weather.com , to see if anything was happening downwind. Caught this image...  Just stirring things up... | ||
Noodles Member Username: Noodles Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2009 |
quote: Nice work. | ||
Goose Member Username: Goose Post Number: 110 Registered: 02-2005 |
HAARP was the first thing I thought of... learned about it from the late great Mark Scott..... keep your powder dry excelsior | ||
Silverbeauty Member Username: Silverbeauty Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2005 |
>>>>HAARP was the first thing I thought of... learned about it from the late great Mark Scott..... keep your powder dry excelsior<<<< I miss Mark Scott, I learned so much from him. I often think of how riled up he would be right now if he was still here. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9135 Registered: 12-2003 |
His rile lives through those who listened. I wish I did...only caught the fellow a few times on lonely drives on I-94 on the way to Chicago in the early nineties...actually the only times I listened to the Art Bell program, too. On the way back home in the wee hours... AM radio is too grating for me to perceive, usually...but less so than most country music. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9137 Registered: 12-2003 |
Rabbit-holes are more fun through high-speed connections with nothing else to do. I have neither luxuries today, but DID pull off a quick Google search for weird contrails and chemtrails off Billings, MO during the same time period...because the weather maps show a similar distance between another temperature extreme and them, so I guessed that reports might show targeting evidences. Didn't find that, but got this page instead. Another wacked-out source from a page I wouldn't trust, but it makes for some FUN ass reading for the totally uninformed on weather manipulation! | ||
Kennyd Member Username: Kennyd Post Number: 103 Registered: 04-2008 |
The only time I ever saw circular contrails was Sept 12, 2001 when all planes were grounded except for the military patrolling the city. | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 1922 Registered: 10-2003 |
It was from an air force tanker waiting to rendevous with a cell of fighters out of Ohio. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4317 Registered: 11-2007 |
^^^ Is that a guess, or fact, Mikem ? ^^^^^^ I've live/lived by several air bases, and have never seen anything like that. | ||
Brownfieldguy Member Username: Brownfieldguy Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2009 |
It must be those big disc ships from Independence Day. Where the hell is Will Smith and Randy Quaid when you need them? | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4336 Registered: 11-2007 |
. (Message edited by Bigb23 on March 27, 2009) | ||
Lowell Moderator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2267 Registered: 09-2003 |
Actually it was Mikem circling his Airbus to get some aerial shots of Detroit. Nice cover story with the tanker Mikem. | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 325 Registered: 06-2007 |
Thanks Mikem, Sounds a real plausible answer to me. | ||
Reddog289 Member Username: Reddog289 Post Number: 1014 Registered: 08-2007 |
KarlJr, If your right about where the square was , then I was right under that. | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 326 Registered: 06-2007 |
http://contrailscience.com/ | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 3071 Registered: 01-2004 |
I heard a guest on the Mark Scott show predict the 2000 election fix in Florida via ballot manipulation and computer fraud - and I even bought the book after the show. http://www.amazon.com/Votescam -Stealing-James-M-Collier/dp/0 963416308 It explains the whole damn thing including "hanging chads" etc. The book was first published in 1992. The subsequent 2000 election "result" was not a surprise to everybody. Mark Scott: " I love my country, but I FEAR my government " Amen. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4341 Registered: 11-2007 |
quote: My chad was hanging, up until five months ago. | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 335 Registered: 10-2003 |
I saw a sun shaft on the way to work last fall that was amazing. Perfect vertical orange shaft instead of the sun. Wish I had a camera to capture it. I have never seen one that well define. | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 1923 Registered: 10-2003 |
I heard controllers relaying clearances for a group of fighters through a tanker while I was flying through the area. There are some refueling tracks in the region ( http://www.canairradio.com/ref ueltracks.jpg ) but refueling can take place on random routes as well. There certainly isn't as much activity around here as there is out west. Refueling typically takes place at mid-range altitudes ~17,000' to 26,000' and contrails usually form at higher altitudes. Even if refueling were happening overhead, you probably wouldn't notice it unless the tanker or receivers were orbiting while waiting for the other to rendezvous. If everyone is on time, the meet-up occurs along the track and when the refueling is done, everyone spits up and goes on there way, all in a relatively straight line. Orbital patterns like this typically happen when a tanker is parked near a bombing range serving the fighters going in and out of the range. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9146 Registered: 12-2003 |
So if they fly lower, this could merely be a great collection of fuel vapor? What else could it be, if regular contrails happen at certain altitudes, Mikem?! That's gotta be healthy enough for anyone downwind. But those crossed contrails at those definite angles happen way too often to be mere chance! Having one INSIDE this curious circle again was way more than pure chance. | ||
Zrx_doug Member Username: Zrx_doug Post Number: 941 Registered: 03-2008 |
Contrails can happen at nearly all altitudes..depends on the humidity & speed of the aircraft. Contrail is short for "condensation trail." Water vapor in the air gets mashed by the plane, condenses into water, then revaporizes as the plane sheds it. | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 1924 Registered: 10-2003 |
The weather conditions that day were right for the formation of contrails at those altitudes. Here's a profile of the atmosphere over Detroit from Monday evening:  The scale at the bottom of the grpah is temperature(°C), increasing to the right, and the scale on the left side is altitude in millibars/kilometers. The red line is the air temperature and the green line is dew point. Notice how they nearly merge above 500 mb, roughly 18,000', meaning the atmosphere was very humid at those altitudes. That's why the cloud layers appear and jets spewing combustion products provide enough condensation nuclei to form contrails. As the day went on the clouds probably thickened and most aircraft flying above them were producing contrails, but you wouldn't see them from the ground. The crossing contrails you see are simply (maybe too simply) because aircraft are flying on different routes which are crossing each other. Here's a clip from a high altitude aeronautical chart over Detroit showing the different jet routes crossing at various angles:  And jets aren't always on the airways; they're frequently on random routes. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9149 Registered: 12-2003 |
I thought random routes were a no-no...thanks for the explanation here, Mikem. Those Xs are always a consistent angle, best I can tell without measuring is roughly thirty degrees on the smaller angle...no more, no less, JUST like the X inside the circle displays in our images here. If they were random crossings, the angle would change! Not but one of the intersections of the official routing show this angle, and 'randomness' would NOT explain the consistency in these very common angles of chem-trails that linger for many, many minutes after they form. They often keep their general form for a complete hour or so as they pass overhead. Contrails dissipate rather quickly by comparison! Water vapor returns to even dissolution rapidly. This other stuff that sheens a rainbow does not. Cheers | ||
Optima Member Username: Optima Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2006 |
OMG. Mark Scott? Tesla? HAARP? Chemtrails?? I had no idea this thread was so "informed"! What's next ELF?? Obviously I will have to tune in much more often... | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 3853 Registered: 09-2007 |
What do you know? We go from 50 degrees and thunderstorms to 30 degrees and heavy snow. Well, there's your omen. | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 337 Registered: 10-2003 |
How about ring shaped vortices? The pictures in the link below look very similar what was posted. http://www.caelestia.be/ringvo rtex.html | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 1928 Registered: 10-2003 |
Random routes, or more specifically, direct routes off airways are common. Nevertheless, J34 and J70 cross west of Detroit at ~24°. Looks like the X in the picture. Contrails dissapate when the air is drier. They last longer when it's more humid. | ||
Yupislyr Member Username: Yupislyr Post Number: 240 Registered: 07-2004 |
Just look at Flight Aware and at any given moment there's tons of flights around our vicinity being tracked. It's no coincidence that some of the paths are going to cross and form patterns. http://flightaware.com/live/ai rport_status_bigmap.rvt?ident= KDTW&airport=KDTW&key=cae3ffb7 5b761deb4cdd1d3b9418b56c9615ca 78 And rainbow effects from the ice crystals in contrails are not chemicals, they're a natural phenomenon and don't just happen in contrails. http://www.atoptics.co.uk/ | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 1930 Registered: 10-2003 |
Oh look! Virgin America 24 from San Fran to JFK and United 491 from Newark to Denver just crossed west of Detroit at a 30° angle. Too bad it's snowing out.  | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 3077 Registered: 01-2004 |
That big circle - isnt that just somebody dumping fuel or waiting in a pattern for a landing strip to clear ? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4595 Registered: 02-2004 |
The cloud ring could be either the Centurians or the Tau-Cetis traveling to Earth by using light speed dimentional devices. If they have gotten here they must be in human deguises in order to examine our international culture. Then waiting for the right moment to either be bring peace or destruction to the human race. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9150 Registered: 12-2003 |
See? Danny may be right after all... quote: The Pilot News on-line | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9151 Registered: 12-2003 |
IF that circle were a contrail, wouldn't the entrance and exits be marked by tangents? Hell, if it was a fuel dump started while IN pattern, then the circle should've shown SOME change in density, which it clearly does NOT! I'm still not buying it, and now will begin to chart the appearance of these trails to match with the flight patterns from MikeM's site. If every one can be documented (given the chance of military fly-overs NOT reported, of course) then I will be pacified...if even more than ONE chance crossing at that angle happens at the given time I will have more data for the analysis. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9153 Registered: 12-2003 |
I just noticed that the square poked through the clouds in that photo above (looking again to see density changes in the circle) has a neat TRI-ANGLE framing the hole. (and yes, I see the changes in density of the circle, especially near the power lines on the left) So, what are the odds of contrails happening simultaneously (like the circle and X) or happening around a unique cloud formation (like the square hole and trail triangle)?! | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1806 Registered: 02-2005 |
Gannon, how did you miss this? http://www.ufodigest.com/news/ 0309/dulce-base.php | ||
Cpalk Member Username: Cpalk Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2009 |
Better make some tinfoil hats and go hide in the bombshelter | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9154 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jim! Heya...what makes you think I've missed that? It goes into stuff I rarely entertain, but seems to dovetail with the rumors of underground high-speed rail tunneling between NM and CO bases along with the weird and wild ramblings of David Icke AND even the whacked-out Hollow Earth theory. I am aware of it all, but will not investigate them willingly...only peripherally. There seems a common thread between them AND the recordings of the ancients, so who truly knows?! Cpalk, welcome. If you think that will help, I certainly encourage you...but fear is totally un-necessary! I don't think running and hiding helps at all, just ask your nearest Mayan...or anyone who fled uphill during whatever major world event wiped out our true history at what appears to be the last event of Mother Earth's periodic pole-shift, leaving only enigmatic mysteries like the Pyramids and Stonehenge and Easter Island and the like. Cheers! |
