Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field
Post Number: 828 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 8:11 pm: | |
They Blinded Them...With SCIENCE!! |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 13822 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 9:27 pm: | |
Miscounting gorillas...or even correctly counting gorillas is science? Must be the gym teacher track for a PhD. |
Gibran Member Username: Gibran
Post Number: 3498 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 11:19 pm: | |
or wildlife biology, ecology, environmental science, biological anthropology...wildlife management... world wildlife fund:http://www.worldwildlife.org/w ho/board/index.html |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5562 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 5:40 am: | |
quote:Maybe because he has only been here since Feb 2007? Gosh, Pam you're right. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7180 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:35 am: | |
so craig sees no contradiction between "god made him do it" and "satan made him do it" (yes, they ARE about the same event)? so according to your logic, satan and god are the same. blind faith. great band, but a religious stance that turns brains to mush |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5582 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 6:02 am: | |
If I started hearing voices in my head, I would have it examined. I don't see what pretzel logic you are using to come up with your above statement. I guess you're blinded with science again. |
Themax Member Username: Themax
Post Number: 970 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 6:44 am: | |
god = made Craig do it Satan = made Craig do it Therefore god = Satan How's that? Looks like pretty simple logic to me. I loved the post about stoopid sceinse. Only scientists would be looking for gorillas without intending to kill them. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5590 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 8:04 am: | |
Themax you've got to stop listening to those voices in your head. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7188 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 8:09 am: | |
pretzel logic? how is it pretzel logic? the book says x caused y, then turns around and says z caused y. two statements that are mutually exclusive, so one is a lie. pretty straightforward |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 8062 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:04 am: | |
Easy, you're going to give him a Henry Drummond heart attack. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5595 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:07 am: | |
Rb, you're about as correct about Christianity as you are about global climate change. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7197 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:47 am: | |
well, thank you for acknowledging that I am right |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5599 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:59 am: | |
You're always right, Rb. The difference between you and I is that while I believe in God, you think you are god. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 8070 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:00 am: | |
As opposed to all those times you admitted you were wrong, Craig? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7200 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:06 am: | |
prove i'm not, craig |
Gibran Member Username: Gibran
Post Number: 3546 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:44 am: | |
actually RB is honest and a good person..he doesn't need to say he is something and then does the opposite of what it teaches...His journey takes him in another path...but I can bet if someone needed help he would be there for them...peole like RB, practice Christianity and not even realize it...those who say they do and don't well....that my friends is the rest of the story.. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7203 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:59 am: | |
christianity is a great philosophy destroyed by those who made it a religion |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 264 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:00 pm: | |
Craigd, I'll try again... How does the discovery of a previously-unknown population mean that "science is wrong"? What does it even have to do with science? Do you know what science is? I ask seriously, not with sarcasm. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5616 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:10 pm: | |
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The National Academy of Sciences does a lot of herd population counting here in the United States. I suppose it is an assumption that a branch of science counts herds else where on the planet. Enlighten me, Otter. |
Gibran Member Username: Gibran
Post Number: 3563 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 3:14 pm: | |
see the above post on science like majors |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 267 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 6:56 pm: | |
Maybe you're wrong about what, but don't think so? "Science" did not discover a previously-unknown gorilal population - science is something like a process and a way of thinking. I don't know what you really meant, since you left it opaque and suggestive. As someone else above pointed out, science is wrong all the time - it is part of the process. Richard Feynman's lecture is a classic and says it far better than I could. Read the whole thing. http://www.fotuva.org/feynman/ what_is_science.html |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5635 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 7:05 pm: | |
quote:science is wrong all the time - it is part of the process. DING! My point exactly. When something is proven wrong as often as science is, why then to certain people live and die by what scientists say? |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 268 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 7:47 pm: | |
'Science' is not 'proven wrong' - currently-held theories are sometimes eventually proven wrong, sometimes (often) confirmed and sometimes expanded upon through a continual process of personal verification, experimentation and questioning. Your statement, or suggestion, that the discovery of a previously-unknown gorilla population in an extremely remote area of Congo proves anything, much less that 'science is wrong', suggests that you do not really have much understanding of what science is - only, perhaps, a slight understanding of some of the processes. This is not unusual - in this country, anyway, most people have very little scientific literacy, much less understanding of what science means. Read Feynman's lecture (then reread it, highlighting crucial ideas and paragraphs and think about those a bit) and you'll understand more why 'certain people live and die by what scientists say.' |
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840
Post Number: 769 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 8:50 pm: | |
Craigd, Try jumping off a 33 story building or drinking mercury. Most scientists will conclude that you will die. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 13918 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 12:53 am: | |
Correct otter..the phraseology being used is inaccurate. However, the points being made still have validity. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5642 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 7:00 am: | |
Science has been proven wrong all the time. For instance up until recently it has been taught as true that there are 9 planets in our solar system. Now we're told, oops there are 10. Before Columbus it was commonly believed the world was flat. It was formerly believed the sun goes around the earth. It was predicted right after Earth Day in 1970 that the world's oceans would be out fished in ten years. Carl Sagan's prediction that the 1991 Kuwaiti oil fires would throw up so much soot and pollution they would darken the sun and catastrophically cool the earth. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ L-doomsday.htm These are just a few examples. There are many, many more. |
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840
Post Number: 780 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 9:27 am: | |
Craigd, What do you suggest we do? |
Gibran Member Username: Gibran
Post Number: 3601 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 1:51 pm: | |
we call them type one and two errors and that is why we add statistics to increase reliability and validity,,,but opinions and ideas are a starting point..discussion and debate....it's all makes this a vibrant activity...no different than debating anything, including religion |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 13926 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 4:10 pm: | |
Common ground for a change...opinion is not invalid just because it is not scientific fact. |
Deteamster Member Username: Deteamster
Post Number: 154 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 1:06 am: | |
"Before Columbus it was commonly believed the world was flat." "It was formerly believed the sun goes around the earth." You have no idea what "science" is, other than some phantom that you perceive as an enemy of your particular sect, apparently. How do either of those statements have anything to do with the application of the scientific method? Are you aware that the scientific method is what determines if something is "scientific" or not? Also you've shown your further ignorance in that: -no significant amount of educated Westerners since ~4th century BC thought the earth was flat. -Your second statement doesn't reflect well on your apparent sole reliance on Scripture... http://www.fordham.edu/halsall /mod/1630galileo.html It was Scripture and Church authorities who were wrong(or misinterpreted, to be gentle) in that case, not science. Look, I believe in God and everything, but maybe you should consider reading something besides the Bible and taking a few science classes at your local community college. Or go back for your GED at least. |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 2785 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 1:09 am: | |
CraigD has never even read the Bible. He only reposts misquotes from rightwing blogs. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5652 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 2:42 pm: | |
MORE SPECULATIVE SCIENCE: Prehistoric giant animals killed by man, not climate: study
quote:The chance discovery of the remains of a prehistoric giant kangaroo has cast doubts on the long-held view that climate change drove it and other mega-fauna to extinction, a new study reveals. The research, published this week in the US-based journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, argues that man likely hunted to death the giant kangaroo and other very large animals on the southern island of Tasmania. The debate centres on the skull of a giant kangaroo found in a cave in the thick rainforest of the rugged northwest of Tasmania in 2000. Scientists dated the find at 41,000 years old, some 2,000 years after humans first began to live in the area. "Up until now, people thought that the Tasmanian mega-fauna had actually gone extinct before people arrived on the island," a member of the British and Australian study, Professor Richard Roberts, told AFP Tuesday. He said that it was likely that hunting killed off Tasmania's mega-fauna -- including the long-muzzled, 120 kilogram (264 pound) giant kangaroo, a rhinoceros-sized wombat and marsupial 'lions' which resembled leopards. Roberts, from the University of Wollongong south of Sydney, said the idea that climate change could account for the death of the animals was disputed by the fact the area had a very stable climate in the critical time period. "Things were very climatically stable in that part of Australia and yet the mega-fauna still managed to go extinct," he said. "So it's down to humans of one sort or another." http://www.breitbart.com/artic le.php?id=080812092319.fl24b7t k&show_article=1 |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 13978 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 5:44 pm: | |
You mean that prehistoric Humvees and SUV's powered by fossilized pre pre historic animals did not spell the end of the Dinosaurs? Now it is a belated PETA violation? Great, out of the frying pan, and into the fire. |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 2817 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 5:54 pm: | |
What dinosaurs? The article was talking about one type of giant kangaroo on the remote island of Tasmania. Dinosaurs were reptiles, Bats, and did not live during this time period. You should really read up on your natural history, or are you one of these flat-earther types that doesn't believe in evolution? |
Zug Member Username: Zug
Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 6:24 pm: | |
Wow...how tough is it to understand that science is a method. Make initial observations -> hypothesize on what you see -> observe & collect data -> verify or reject hypothesis. It's that simple. There is good science and bad science. Some scientists make conclusions that other scientists disagree with. Science cannot be right or wrong because it is simply a method used to test ideas about phenomena. Now let me give a religious analogy for what Craigd is doing... LOOK! RELIGION SUPPORTS GAY RIGHTS! HERE'S PROOF! http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/st ory?section=news/local&id=6289 435 "HOUSTON (KTRK) -- A Houston church took what it calls an "extraordinary" step by ordaining the first openly gay Lutheran pastor in Texas. Lura Groen says she's thrilled to be pastor of the Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church in southwest Houston. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America does ordain gay pastors, but only if they agree to remain celibate. Groen, however, has refused, claiming heterosexual colleagues are not held to the same standard. She says church members have been supportive. "There's a very good fit between the values of this congregation and the values I want to espouse as a preacher -- to be telling God's love to all the world and the way that that calls us to treat everyone fairly," said Pastor Lura Groen. Two other American Evangelical Lutheran congregations have ordained openly gay pastors without sanctions." SEE! THAT IS PROOF THAT ALL OF RELIGION SUPPORTS GAYS! To someone that sees science as a harmless method of understanding, throwing a blanket over all of science sounds just as ridiculous as throwing a blanket over all of religion. Those that doubt science, you do realize that virtually all of modern technology would not exist without science. It's not priests, rabbis, and imams that invented computers, televisions, vehicles, telecommunications, and on & on & on. Don't get me wrong, religious faith is not an inherently bad thing. But to act as if all science is evil is a bit extreme. Just like there is religious debate, there is scientific debate. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5659 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 6:41 pm: | |
Zug, there are people that live and die by what scientists say. For instance the science of global warming. It will be proven to be worthless junk. |
Zug Member Username: Zug
Post Number: 203 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 6:52 pm: | |
Maybe you should become an opponent of certain scientific theories...and not an opponent of all of science. Because there are scientists that dispute pollution-enduced global warming & see it as a natural increase in temperature. Also, I personally live & die by what scientists say all the time. Scientists (engineers) are behind car safety. Scientists (medical doctors) give me medical treatment. Scientists (chemists, etc) make sure water going to my home is drinkable. Need I go on? |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5660 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 7:21 pm: | |
So you've bought into the man-mad global warming scam? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7246 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 8:38 am: | |
" It will be proven to be worthless junk." and yet you have had 9 months to post a single actual bit of science that shows the GW crowd wrong, and have failed |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5670 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 8:42 am: | |
Funny that I know what the fool you are believing in the junk science that you do. In time others will as well. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7250 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 9:26 am: | |
sorry, calling it "junk science" when YOUR side keeps posting easily and quickly debunked stuff is just funny. you wouldn't know science if it hit you on the head, and you certainly wouldn't know "junk science." wait, no, change that. you clearly DO know and believe junk science. |
Larryinflorida Member Username: Larryinflorida
Post Number: 2337 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:00 am: | |
Junk science is a conservative term for science that does not fit an ideology. Sort of how Copernicus' notion of the sun being in the center was "Junk Science" to the church. He's lucky they didn't burn him. |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5676 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:11 am: | |
WWW.JUNKSCIENCE.COM |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7252 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:30 am: | |
ah, lovely, yet another bit of BS propoganda from a paid advocate for exxonmobil (Stevie Milloy) |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7253 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:39 am: | |
oh, craigers, stop tossing me softballs like that unless you actually enjoy getting your @$$ handed to you |
Craigd Member Username: Craigd
Post Number: 5683 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:44 am: | |
Your a socialist, it fits your agenda. No surprise here, hot shot. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 7255 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:55 am: | |
i'm not a socialist. i have no agenda except truth. yours seems to be the opposite, considering your deliberately misleading citation to an event that doesn't even happen till next year (or was that pg -- it's getting hard to tell the two of you apart) |