Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 3754 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 8:11 pm: | |
http://www.google.com/hostedne ws/afp/article/ALeqM5hjCp9FmMf w219c9IjPUnAWjOshxg
quote:In a recent interview, the chairman of Lloyd's insurance said it was "highly likely" the owners of the Sirius Star would pay up. Lord Peter Levene told Britain's Channel Four News television: "At the end of the day there is no alternative, if you don't want lives to be lost." |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 16369 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 12:17 am: | |
The payback will not occur until after the standoff is ended. |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 3755 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 10:54 pm: | |
How do you pay a pirate's ransom?
quote:Roger Middleton, a Horn of Africa specialist at the Chatham House, says the ship-owners hire professionals, from specialist negotiators to private security firms, to transfer the ransoms. "They are mostly ex-SAS and British or Australian. A lot are also South African," he says. Not much more is known for certain, however, as it is an unwritten rule among members of such firms that there are no kiss-and-tell stories. Understandably, those involved are also aware of the needs of their clients and the strict demand for secrecy with people's lives being at stake. However, Mr Middleton says that such operations cost about $1m, not including the ransom. "The professional negotiators, acting on behalf of the ship owners, get about $100,000 for their services and the lawyers receive a fee of about $300,000 for ensuring that the shipping companies are not putting themselves in any dubious positions," he explains. Regarding what goes on behind closed doors, be it the negotiations and the legal and insurance matters as a result of these hijackings, Mr Middleton says it would be fair to say that, "most of it happens in London," he adds. Gavin Simmonds, head of international affairs at the British Chamber of Shipping, agrees this assumption is "highly likely" as London is the centre of the global maritime industry. "It seems perfectly plausible that the actual facilitation of ransom money is being done by London-based insurers," he says. However, Mr Simmonds says he has also heard rumours that some exchanges have taken place in Dubai. |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 1885 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 7:24 pm: | |
Navy commander questions land attacks on pirates
quote:The commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet expressed doubt Friday about the wisdom of launching attacks against Somali pirates on land, as the draft U.N. resolution proposes. A Pentagon spokesman warned against the urge to grasp for a quick and easy military solution to a complex international problem. U.S. Vice Adm. Bill Gortney told reporters that striking pirate camps in lawless Somalia could open a can of worms. It is difficult to identify pirates, and the potential for killing innocent civilians "cannot be overestimated," Gortney said. There is a huge risk to any U.S. forces involved, whether small commando units or larger operations. And U.S. commanders still have sour memories of the humiliating "Blackhawk Down" outcome of U.S. military intervention in Somalia more than a decade ago. Concern about possible mistaken identity extends to operations at sea, too, since pirate ships are often indistinguishable from ragtag fishing vessels. The military is also worried about what would be done with captured pirates, who would try or imprison them. "There are many that are seeking a simple military solution, or solely a military solution to address the piracy issue," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said. "I think that we need to take a more comprehensive look a this, and while there may be a military component, this is an issue that has to be addressed more broadly." |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 9019 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 7:28 pm: | |
I would say the Pentagon has it 100% correct. |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 2797 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:13 pm: | |
Millions spent for a rag tag group of a once impoverished group of pirates. Hey - we have the Great Lakes. I'll hold 1000 tons of Taconite for what ?, 10,000 dollars ? Canada - strippers for Taconite, are you listening ? |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 17392 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 10:51 pm: | |
Frankly, our Navy commander is playing armchair quarterback. he may be correct, but.... |
Islandman Member Username: Islandman
Post Number: 1725 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 11:44 am: | |
He is correct. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 9032 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 12:01 pm: | |
quote:Frankly, our Navy commander is playing armchair quarterback. he may be correct, but.... How do you figure? A U.N. resolution could involve U.S. forces. Oops, perhaps you sped redd past this part:
quote:Days before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is to ask the United Nations to authorize "all necessary measures" against piracy from Somalia, the U.S. military, which would help carry out that policy, said in effect: Not so fast. (Message edited by johnlodge on December 15, 2008) |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 7270 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 12:02 pm: | |
Does Batsonia have a navy? ...and is it equipped with the most modern state-of-the-art toasters available from the free-market? |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 459 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 12:04 pm: | |
If a naval commander is 'playing armchair quarterback,' what is our friend Bats doing with his pithy declarations? |
Islandman Member Username: Islandman
Post Number: 1742 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 12:47 am: | |
Ooops! http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/ africa/12/18/somalia.pirate/in dex.html |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 17513 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 4:17 pm: | |
Give it time, this will not turn out to be a "perfect crime" for them. |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 482 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 4:35 pm: | |
Still stocking up on toast, are you? |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 7321 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 5:09 pm: | |
Be careful Cc, latest intelligence has revealed new state-of-the-art weapons are being employed by the pirates:
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Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 2903 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 8:08 pm: | |
With all that ransom money, they can well afford those North Korean surface to air toasters and guided curling irons. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 17579 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:58 pm: | |
In case you missed it, the UN now authorizes the US to go after these pirates. Just the beginning (of the end) for them as I am predicting....stay tuned. |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 1904 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, January 09, 2009 - 1:03 pm: | |
Supertanker Freed After Ransom Was Paid, Pirates Say http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01 /10/world/africa/10somalia.htm l?ref=world Maybe the "toast" will pop soon... |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 18008 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, January 09, 2009 - 4:32 pm: | |
Their lives are already a large measure more dangerous (whatever amount of time that remains for them) I am sure. |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 1905 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 11:46 am: | |
They live in Somalia - their lives can't get more dangerous than they already are. A life of piracy probably beats starving to death or being killed by a warlord's teenage militia. Meanwhile... http://www.radionetherlands.nl /news/international/6129317/So mali-pirates-release-Iranian-t anker
quote:Six Somali pirates drowned when the boat in which they were escaping turned over. Another four are missing. Around 220,000 euros was lost in the sea. |
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840
Post Number: 979 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 5:42 pm: | |
What? CCbatson was wrong again!! How could this be? |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 3218 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 5:59 pm: | |
What can we do around here ? I'm all for piracy around here now. Detroitless. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 6321 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 9:05 pm: | |
Piracy does seem to be solving Somali's unemployment problem. Maybe they're on to something. Arrrrrgh, matey! N N N N N N |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 18021 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 9:08 pm: | |
Ahem, spoke too soon iseries, 5 of them "capsized their boat" and drown with their ransom money. The rest are going to follow sooner or later. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 18022 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 9:08 pm: | |
Ahem, spoke too soon iseries, 5 of them "capsized their boat" and drown with their ransom money. The rest are going to follow sooner or later. |
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840
Post Number: 980 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 9:11 pm: | |
I just read that. LOL You were right! |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 18024 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 9:13 pm: | |
Frustrating that people don't see reason at first blush, and have to learn the hard way, or when it is too late and the damage is done. |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 493 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 9:57 am: | |
O noez!! Bats's guided sourdough missile struck its target! Two missiles at once and you have a pirate sandwich. O. |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 1906 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 1:14 pm: | |
CC said: quote:These pirates are toast, soon. The tanker was carrying 100 million dollars worth of cargo. 3 times the figure you just posted, and enough to cause extreme prejudice in response. andquote:Give it time...this can't go without a vigorous response in order to deter future and accelerated crimes. The cavalry didn't come riding to the rescue, Rambo didn't shoot 'em up, the Saudi's did nothing nor did the owners of the ship or the cargo. The pirates simply drowned. http://www.google.com/hostedne ws/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCw wY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD95L0Q380 Somali pirate's body washes ashore with $153,000
quote:...But five of the dozens of pirates who had hijacked the tanker drowned when their small boat capsized as they returned to shore in rough weather. Three other pirates survived but also lost their share of the ransom. Graeme Gibbon Brooks, managing director of the British company Dryad Maritime Intelligence Service Ltd, said the incident was unlikely to deter attacks. "The loss or potential loss of the ransom means the pirates will be all the more keen to get the next ransom in," he said. "There are people lining up to be pirates... ...The shaky Somali government is battling insurgents the U.S. State Department says are linked to al-Qaida. But the situation is complicated by clan militias and rivalries within the Islamist movement. Somalia has not had a functioning government since 1991 and its lawless coastline is a perfect haven for pirates, who attacked 111 ships in the Gulf of Aden and kidnapped 42 of them last year alone. The multimillion dollar ransoms are one of the only ways to make money in the impoverished Horn of Africa nation. An international flotilla including U.S. warships has been patrolling the area. The flotilla has stopped many attacks, but the area is too vast to keep all ships safe." |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 18043 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 2:48 pm: | |
Coincidental? You believe that? |