  Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 422 Registered: 07-2008 |
If I were to take a temp position as a substitute teacher - or, I guess, any temp position that only lasts a few days - is this subtracted from my unemployment pay for the week? I know MARVIN asks if you have done ANY work or made ANY money, so I would have to report it, but I wonder, if its not a "real" job and its just a temp gig, how will it affect my unemployment? If they're going to subtract it, then what's the point of working, when to work, you lose money because you've got to pay daycare, gas, etc.? I also wonder if I would have to recertify all over again, as if my benefits would stop since I worked that week? Just a few burning questions.... Thanks in advance! | ||
Ggores Member Username: Ggores Post Number: 540 Registered: 10-2007 |
If I remember correctly, yes, if you are employed then your wages from that employment will be subtracted from your full benefit amount (also consider the double-taxation in this situation). Damn, the things people are going thru now are the same things I went thru about three years ago - and it sucked! Anyways, if you are "underemployed", working less than 40 hours a week, then you still qualify for benefit. In short, it might be best to NOT work (unless it's full-time), or work under the table. When I was on unenjoyment, resources were more plentiful than they are now, and questions like this were more easily answered. Good luck! | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 423 Registered: 07-2008 |
LOL @ unenjoyment! Perfect name for it! So you're basically penalized for working less than full time, because subbing will not likely pay more than unemployment if its only a few days here and there. Unless I luck up and fill in for a sick or maternity leave. But otherwise, if its going to cost me in the long run, I just don't know. Certainly not worth it when you figure in childcare, gas, clothing, etc., I'll just end up with less than I started. I'll see if I can request to be called for ONLY full weeks of substitute fill-ins and not "onesie, twosies". Where are the good under the table jobs nowadays? lol They used to be plentiful! | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 424 Registered: 07-2008 |
LOL, Bigb. Early on, I used to write Call Marvin on my mirror in lipstick, because it was so hard for me to remember to call regularly. It became an inside joke in our house, mom's gotta call her boyfriend Marvin! Now I think Marvin and I have outgrown each other and I would LOVE to be able to quit him! | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1623 Registered: 01-2008 |
I am probably one of the few people on this website that has collected unemployment in Michigan w/o having to go through the MESC. | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 1033 Registered: 05-2006 |
Your unemployment benefit is reduced by 50 cents for each dollar earned. But remember....you are only allowed so many weeks of benefits, not a pre-determined dollar amount. If you collect benefits for only a couple of days in a week, it still is considered as a week of benefits. "Receiving unemployment benefits while working In some cases, you can accept part-time work while receiving unemployment benefits. However, your work must be less than full-time, and your benefits will be reduced according to how much you earn in the week for which you are claiming benefits. There are three basic principles that affect how much you can earn while receiving unemployment benefits: (1) if your earnings are equal to or less than your weekly benefit amount, then your benefits are reduced by 50¢ for every dollar you earn; (2) if your earnings exceed your weekly benefit amount but are less than 1½ times your benefit amount, then your total earnings are subtracted from 1½ times your weekly benefit amount; and (3) the combination of your weekly benefits and earnings cannot exceed 1½ times your weekly benefit amount." http://michigan.gov/documents/ uia_ClmUnempBenFactSheet36Engl ish_76381_7.pdf | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3710 Registered: 11-2007 |
"MARVIN will then tell you goodbye. Remember, DO NOT HANG UP, UNTIL MARVIN SAYS GOODBYE. Where can I find this MARVIN, and rub his face in snow ?  | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18581 Registered: 11-2006 |
Shouldn't it be? Are you asking to be paid double? Why should that be? | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 426 Registered: 07-2008 |
Thanks, Wash_man! .50 is not bad, as long as its not an equal amount because that would be pointless. You can still see a gain with .50. I went ahead with the processing for the sub job. The irony is though, that you have to pay nearly $200 for all of the tests, certs, and clearances just to be eligible to teach part time, temporary, and barely earn that money in 1-2 teaching gigs! Damned if you, damned if you don't. However, they said that they are DESPERATE for subs, esp. in Wayne County, so if anyone else is interested, then I can give you the contact info. I think you have to have a four year degree in any field. CC, I know you're not as dense as you like to pretend. I think you're just bored. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3731 Registered: 11-2007 |
Cc has only one concept - and he runs with it. | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1625 Registered: 01-2008 |
quote: To piss off conservatives, who would rather see wealthy people receive tax cuts that would likely dwarf even twice the maximum amount that anyone could earn while still receiving temporary unemployment compensation. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 7697 Registered: 10-2003 |
I love this. A doctor whose practice depends on Medicare/Medicaid payments, lambasting people that only want to work for a reasonable wage and have to deal with a f**ked up system. Where are your Free-Market principles? Cut yourself loose from the Government teat, Cc. Not getting those Government checks should be a "liberating" experience for you Plus, you'll prove to all of us "liberals" , that don't receive government checks, the value of your philosophy. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3747 Registered: 11-2007 |
He's not a Doctor Jams. He can pretend to be whatever he thinks he is online. And is he within 3000 miles of our "turf" ? | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 7701 Registered: 10-2003 |
Physically or mentally? | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 874 Registered: 08-2008 |
Thanks everyone for your valuable advice about unemployment compensation. These are the times when we most need to help each other. I'd add to this discussion something that's not directly relevant to the question posed, but important nonetheless: Always appeal any decision that's not in your favor. Appeal, appeal, appeal. Fight it tooth and nail. Keep all documents and note every conversation. Bureaucracies are screwed up. The amount you win or lose may be significant to you but insignificant to your former employer. They may not have time to fight you. Appeal. This is the name of the attorney/advocate that helped my friend achieve payments. This is strictly our recommendation and he didn't ask us to post. He was immensely helpful. William Branch, 877 962 9400. He can't dispense advice to you if you're not his client. So if you're at or approaching appeals stage, call him. He did a great job for my friend. | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 875 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hilarious Jams. Thanks. I've spoken to a few posters here who contend Cc is an amalgamation of persons using one name to post. They're probably from a right wing nut, neo-con, think tank. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4470 Registered: 02-2004 |
Our economy is dying! folks losing faith on capitalist consumption. Let's return to Socialism and restart out economy all over again. WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 4977 Registered: 11-2005 |
quote: Whoever or whatever he is, why don't we all try ignoring him and see if he goes away? | ||
Islandman Member Username: Islandman Post Number: 1912 Registered: 08-2004 |
1kielsondrive, You are absolutely correct in appealing any decision. I was working in Farmington Hills (FT) and going to school (FT). One of the guys I worked with was pissy that he didn't get such a flexible schedule and started bitching to the owners. His and my boss had approved the schedule. Unfortunately, this guy had been working in the IT department for 10 years (lazy as fuck because of that) and also hunted with the owners. He threatened to quit, and also made several smart ass comments about my schedule. I did the right thing and kept telling my supervisor about the tension. My boss was at an empasse, and tucked his tail between his legs. I was at work one day when my boss wan't in and this guy kept up the verbal BS. I called my boss at home and asked if this was going to get resolved. Dead silence. I asked "Should I just go to make everything easier on everyone? Dead silence. I told him I am leaving. They tried to contest it because I walked out, but I appealed. The unemployment guy calls me to find out what happened. Told him the story and as soon as I told him I work in IT, he stopped me and said that is all he needs to know. I was worried that this guy was going to sabotage the IT infrastructure, and that is why I left. Got all of my unemployment. | ||
Awfavre Member Username: Awfavre Post Number: 274 Registered: 08-2005 |
Islandman, when did your experience happen, if I may ask? We’re finding the UIA (Unemployment Insurance Agency) is questioning everything right now. Although there’s a huge backlog in claims, they’re fastidiously looking for restitution claim opportunities. Chrissy_snow, Wash_man is right about the comp amount. You’re being penalized for trying to find work. But don’t sit back & do nothing. The legislature upped the benefits amount many years ago in exchange for a requirement you must accept any offered work that is “suitable.” (Prior to that, you only had to accept work in your specific vocation.) Now, your claim may be disqualified if you don’t show up for a job interview or if you don’t apply for work in the first place. If you end up not finding any work, keep copies of all resumes/cover letters & any efforts you’ve made to find a job. If you do get part-time work, be very honest about everything you earn. The various State agencies have access to a ton of personal information, & they will eventually find out if you’ve tried to screw the system. The penalties may be severe, so don’t tempt the cash-strapped State fates. Also, 1kielsondrive is right about being tenacious in appealing a denied claim. Follow the time deadlines very carefully. Don’t be late on an appeal. Although the better funded employers may send an attorney to fight your claim at every level, many employer reps often fail to show up for hearings. Finally, if you get to the stage where you have a hearing before an ALJ (Administrative Law Judge), the UIA has advocates available to assist you free of charge. I strongly recommend anyone getting to this level take advantage of this assistance. It’s free, and the advocate generally knows a heck of a lot more about the system, the process, & unemployment law than most attorneys. | ||
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone Post Number: 474 Registered: 03-2007 |
I agree with the theory of fighting a denial... At one of the companies I do bookkeeping for, they had another employee, who was contracted to perform secretarial work out of her home for this company. She signed a contract knowing that this was a seasonal/temporary position that ended when grant funding ended. After the grant period, she filed for unemployment, even though the company did not pay into the UIA or FUTA tax fund for her because she was a subcontractor, not an employee. The owner filed paperwork proving that she was a subcontractor, providing a copy of her contract and explaining that she had another full time job. They determined she was still eligible...and he wrote again, explaining the circumstances. They again determined that she was eligible. The drawback for the company is that the UIA taxes companies based on "experience". Since the company had not paid into the fund, their percentage liability will increase. He called the person who made the determination and was told that the fact that she is working full time was not her department and that if fraud is taking place it was up to HIM to call another department and report it! And she couldn't even give him a number to call. All this took place long before this crisis, actually late in 2007. He let it go and allowed this person to collect the unemployment. My reason for all this is to say that it appears that UIA doesn't investigate anything unless someone calls the "fraud dept" and reports a problem. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18611 Registered: 11-2006 |
I am several people from a think tank now?? Very flattering...thank you. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18612 Registered: 11-2006 |
Return to socialism? Here, in the US? Founded on an escape from collectivism and its' oppression of the individual? G-d forbid. Especially ironic when the collapse is the result of socialist liberal policies ("affordable housing" AKA as socialized housing). | ||
Islandman Member Username: Islandman Post Number: 1916 Registered: 08-2004 |
Awfavre, That was back in 2005. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4311 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: I seem to recall that at least 40% of the homes bought-and-sold during the housing boom were SECOND homes and INVESTMENT properties. You can shove your class warfare against the middle class right up your self-righteous ass. This crisis was created by Wall Street, predatory lenders, and speculative investors, and you know it. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18631 Registered: 11-2006 |
Look deeper...the bad loans were the problem and the packaging via Feddy and Fannie made them look like they had value, when they did not....hence the bubble, then the collapse. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1181 Registered: 05-2006 |
Try again Bats. The greedy free market lenders knew damn well they were writing bad loans from the start. They hid this problem by bundling loans together and quickly reselling them to other greedy free market companies who in turn repeated the process.(remember REMCO?) The problem was, when the music stopped, somebody had to be left holding the hot potato, thus we now are in the current crisis.(kind of like that great free market company Enron) The fact that people like you continue to spout that its all the fault of Fannie and Freddy just shows how out of touch your ilk really are with mainstream America. Its always easiest to blame the people on the bottom than to accept acountability for your actions. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3771 Registered: 11-2007 |
Count you're blessings - quote: http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05 /01/Germany_prostitution.html | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 440 Registered: 07-2008 |
WTH???? I'm looking all over that link to see if this is some kind of satire! I'm so disgusted and saddened by this. It says 2005 so I really hope something has changed in this regard.... | ||
Islandman Member Username: Islandman Post Number: 1937 Registered: 08-2004 |
Wow. Now that is some twisted shit! | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18664 Registered: 11-2006 |
In Germany...hmm, aren't they one of those heavily socialist leaning countries? Do you need more proof of the direction socialism takes people (away from liberty)? | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3308 Registered: 02-2007 |
This is a great example of "be careful of what you ask for". If there is ever a real war and this country is legitimately forced to respond, women will be drafted along with the men. I'm designing a tattoo removal machine. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18668 Registered: 11-2006 |
Are you drunk Sstashmoo? That is the most absurd and paranoid delusion I have seen in a long time. With the libs on this board, that is saying a lot. | ||
Thames Member Username: Thames Post Number: 383 Registered: 02-2007 |
http://www.snopes.com/media/no tnews/brothel.asp | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3773 Registered: 11-2007 |
Well, thats the last time I use Craigslist as a solid news source. It shakes my faith in Ongawah and CraigD, also. | ||
Islandman Member Username: Islandman Post Number: 1943 Registered: 08-2004 |
You should have started your own thread ,Bigb, so your faux pas would get the attention it deserves. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 3775 Registered: 11-2007 |
I'm still pretty judicious with starting threads, Islandman. How about, "Where can Obama find some good ham on rye, in the CBD, on a Tuesday night?" | ||
Awfavre Member Username: Awfavre Post Number: 275 Registered: 08-2005 |
I meant to post the two links below previously. The first link is to various publications UIA puts out about the unemployment process. Pretty much everything you need to know is somewhere in one of the publications. http://www.michigan.gov/uia/0, 1607,7-118-26899---,00.html The second link is a 42-page pdf document containing the most comprehensive info I’ve found for unemployment benefits in Michigan. I print it out each time they update it & keep it as a primary source for unemployment claims. http://www.michigan.gov/docume nts/uia_UC1901_76146_7.pdf | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 911 Registered: 08-2008 |
They'll issue you a Chase debit card to deposit your funds on if you receive compensation. Tell the UIA and Chase to go to hell. It's a scam. Give the UIA your savings account, electronic deposit, routing numbers. Chase will scam you out of every fee they can get from you, legally and illegally. There's an article from the AP yesterday, titled, "Questions rise over fees banks charge the jobless". Google and read it. States are claiming that it saves them money to cut these deals with the banks. What they aren't telling you is that it's another form of taxation of the lower and middle class. They bait and switch you, saying it's saving you tax dollars, and then they let the banks charge you exorbitant fees. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18986 Registered: 11-2006 |
With all the time and effort spent trying to optimize unemployment/welfare withdrawals, couldn't you acquire and hold a job in the meanwhile? I don't necessarily mean a long term job at the level that was recently held, just honest gainful employment. | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 912 Registered: 08-2008 |
Well Cc, if that's a serious question, you show how little you know of the job market. My friend who is unemployed was not without work for 40 years. (S)he has a degree and much experience as well as recognition. This past year there's been nothing available even remotely approaching past jobs in value and wages. My friend is now working a menial, minimum wage job just to keep busy and cover some expenses. I know my friend has applied and interviewed hundreds (no exaggeration at all) of times, to no avail. It's not like (s)he is broke or destitute, but even investments, homes and business values have dropped dramatically, making even semi-retirement very unlikely. It's called the "every which way whammy". This isn't a worse case scenario - it's a nightmare scenario. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19018 Registered: 11-2006 |
Overqualified? Nonsense, digging ditches, emptying bed pans, pulling weeds, and on, and on....all honorable jobs. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19019 Registered: 11-2006 |
BTW, all of those things/jobs are things that I have done in earlier life. And I loved every job I had. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 1988 Registered: 11-2003 |
And did you do them all when jobs in your current profession were unavailable? And did you have to encounter employers reluctant to hire you as overqualified for fear of losing you once a better opportunity showed up? The parallel you tried to draw was implemented in a faulty manner. | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 923 Registered: 08-2008 |
I've worked as many low paying, menial, crap jobs as anyone and I would NEVER say I loved every one of them. In fact, I hated a lot of them. That doesn't mean I didn't have to work hard at each while trying to acquire a better job along the way. The one thing you could say about the jobs in those days was that they paid you a hell of a lot better than almost anything today. $3.00 - $4.00 per hour, plus benefits and paid holidays, back in the 60's and 70's. I worked in steel plants, auto factories, paper mills, chemical plants, etc, while in college. I made enough money to pay for school each fall and then some. Jobs don't pay like that any longer. And college isn't remotely affordable any more. I incurred very little debt going to school, drove a decent car and had good living quarters. Nowadays, the jobs available to near, semi-retired and retired folks, are in the minimum wage range. Which in today's economic climate is way below what is necessary. I can't imagine a new young couple with a child or two and a basic college degree, buying a decent home, car and having any portable benefits. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19081 Registered: 11-2006 |
East Detroit...These were things that I did along the road to what I do now, so, of course, my current profession was not "available". Nobody starts at the top of their ladder, nor should they expect to. They should be prepared to regress down that ladder if circumstances require it, or when they set a goal down a different path. Overqualified? Why would the employer care about that in those jobs? All they cared about was that they had someone that cheerfully did the work, above and beyond expectation, at a agreeable wage for as long as it would last. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19082 Registered: 11-2006 |
Necessary wages? What is that? Necesary wages are merely wages that the employer is willing to pay to get what they want or need. What the worker's lifestyle/debts/whatever are outside of work is not of concern to the employer, or anyone other than the person that owns those circumstances. Once ownership/responsibility is denied to any extent by said individual, their usefulness as an employee begins a steep decline. In other words, let the individual take care and responsibility for their own lives and have the incentive to to better than the barer minimum on their own as well. |
