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Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 182
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:47 am: |    |
Quote:
"Academics are usually weak in that department"
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To expound on RB's post, you need to back that one up. I took 9hrs of calculus taught by a practicing electrical engineer. So, yes, he was in an academic environment, but had his SAE cert & real world experience.
I'm sure the same would apply for psychiatrists or psychologists teaching in their respective fields at the university level. In other words, I seriously doubt they walked straight from receiving their degree into teaching. And you're going with generalities again...give some specifics.
Thanks! |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19037
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 5:16 pm: | |
Real experience in the private world. Not publish or perish academia. |
Mopardan
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Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 185
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:44 pm: | |
CC, that is a major cop out. According to what I've read on here, you are supposed to be in the field of medicine; to what extent I don't know. I've never seen you make that claim, but others have pointed it out.
My deceased left-handed brother was a D.O. & I can guarantee you he wouldn't give such glib responses where medical matters are concerned. Not to mention he would bombard you with sources & any proof he could dig up. The guy was a Type-A personality & then some, but if he was wrong or mistaken, he'd be man enough to admit it.
That being said/written...
http://www.indiana.edu/~primat e/lspeak2.html#dev
author & editor: M.K. Holder, Ph.D.
"There is evidence that some left-handed children who have been forced by parents or teachers to switch to the right hand, have consequently developed various learning disorders, including stuttering, difficulty learning to read and/or write, etc. (Jones 1918; Lauterbach, C.E. 1933a, 1933b; Bryngelson 1935; Johnson & Duke 1935; Clark 1959)."
Bibliographies:
http://www.indiana.edu/~primat e/lspeak5.html#refs
More reading:
http://handedness.org/index.ht ml
(Message edited by MoparDan on February 26, 2009) |
Mopardan
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Post Number: 186
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 10:53 pm: | |
Oh yeah...here's some more to chew on, dammit!
http://historical.ncstrl.org/t r/temp/ocr/cs-tr.cs.cornell.ed u/TR87-844
"For years, left-handedness was considered an undesirable aberration, to be
discouraged at all costs ?2,71. Until relatively recently, left-handed school children
were forced to write with their right hands; there is a flood of evidence that this
practice caused stuttering and other emotional problems [1,9,12,13,14?. Lewis Car-
roll's stammering has been attributed to the fact that he was a changed left-hander
[1]." |
Vetalalumni
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Post Number: 1288
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:36 pm: | |
^^^ lol on the unfeigned indignation. |
Mopardan
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Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 187
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:52 pm: | |
Oh, I fully expect another one line non-sensical response. Anything to get out of actually having to produce a concrete answer.
Maybe I'm expecting too much from a guy who supposedly has a PhD, eh? |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1290
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 12:07 am: | |
Arbitrarily redefining words to fit an argument bothers me the most. At some point you realize that in a public forum on the internet there are few rules of engagement. Having precise and comprehensive discussion or debate is laughable in this environment. Disorganized tangential ideas is what you typically get. Not professional or very constructive. |
Mopardan
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 12:16 am: | |
I know...beating the dead horse to death. Again. I just thought I'd actually take a few minutes to dig up something tangible, but he'll either ignore it or respond with the old reliable "socialist liberal fascist" schtick. |
Classicyesfan
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Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 563
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 8:18 am: | |
"Real experience in the private world. Not publish or perish academia." = 1. Non-evidence. 2. Meaningless. 3. Completely expected copout. 4. Obsessive-compulsive need to retort. |
Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 564
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 8:21 am: | |
For vetal:
"Good faith unfeigned." --Chaucer
It's way better than bad faith feigned. |
Mopardan
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Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 191
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 8:58 am: | |
Quote:
"Real experience in the private world. Not publish or perish academia." = 1. Non-evidence. 2. Meaningless. 3. Completely expected copout. 4. Obsessive-compulsive need to retort.
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Bullseye!
CYF, maybe you should be a psychologist. |
Vetalalumni
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Post Number: 1295
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:34 am: | |
"Good faith unfeigned." --Chaucer
and
"It's way better than bad faith feigned."
Different meaning, but I get it 
Minting phrase is fun (can you say cheesy). Thanks. |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19043
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 3:34 pm: | |
As always, academics are, and will live in their own sheltered world. Meanwhile, producers will gain more practical knowledge from real world experience than the academics could imagine possible. |
Mopardan
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 4:06 pm: | |
And yet another cop out.
CC proves me right yet again.
Thanks buddy! |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19057
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 4:16 pm: | |
Sigh...we must agree to disagree here. Collectivists will never understand the value of the private sector. |
Mopardan
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Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 194
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 4:22 pm: | |
Disagreeing is fine. But "collectivist"? ROFLMAO Gotta luv your jingoism!
I am outta here...time to beat the rush hour traffic. |
Classicyesfan
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Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 566
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 6:45 pm: | |
"Sigh...we must agree to disagree here. Collectivists will never understand the value of the private sector."
The thread topic is "lefties living in the right-handed world". Collectivism is a 1920's conceit with no applicability to this thread or to modern existence. The private sector is business-speak with no relevance to the topic of the thread.
Relevant to the topic thread would be medical evidence which you have sadly failed to deliver. I offered evidence, you have offered lay person's hearsay. The concensus is that we should expect more from a "doctor" than drivel about a private sector. That is the only conclusion that can be drawn.
That reminds me though that I need to thank my "private sector" physician for offering medical consultation minus a dose of capitalist shtick. |
Mopardan
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Post Number: 196
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 10:39 pm: | |
"That reminds me though that I need to thank my "private sector" physician for offering medical consultation minus a dose of capitalist shtick."
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As C. Montgomery Burns would say "Hi-larious!" Note: he is also left-handed!
http://www.listphile.com/Famous_Left_Handed_People/C_Montgomery_Burns
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Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19076
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 9:34 pm: | |
Of course this conversation has strayed from the original idea...do you think you were the only one to notice CYF? Do you think that tangential discussions are forbidden? |
Classicyesfan
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Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 572
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 9:46 pm: | |
"Of course this conversation has strayed from the original idea...do you think you were the only one to notice CYF? Do you think that tangential discussions are forbidden?"
Not relevant.
Now back to the discussion.
Where's the evidence, doc? |
Mopardan
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Post Number: 200
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 10:00 pm: | |
CYF, don't hold your breath. He's all talk, no walk. Liberals, socialists, fascists, communists, nazis, marxists, leninists...the same ol' song & dance.
Pretty nifty finding that info on Mr. Burns though, doncha think? |
Thnk2mch
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Post Number: 1347
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:23 pm: | |
Hey,I found me a clock!
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Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 574
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 9:28 am: | |
Mopardan, It's too bad that Mr. Burns is the only citizen of Springfield who can afford a left-handed can opener. He needs to be subjected to a fair tax structure so that everyone's welfare is addressed. |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19095
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 5:02 pm: | |
In the straying off topic, you ask to get back on topic and give evidence...of what? |
Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 589
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 5:17 pm: | |
CC say: "In the straying off topic, you ask to get back on topic and give evidence...of what?"
We are waiting for the evidence to support your statements regarding lefthandness and it's association with stuttering. Hearsay from a purported "doctor" is not sufficient to counter the hard evidence several of us have offered.
Are you having problems with memory? Not too worry, we will ask you for the evidence and often!
Where's the beef, cc? |
Bratt
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Post Number: 638
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| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 7:02 pm: | |
Sorry, haven't bee on in awhile. I too was born left handed. Both of my parents are left-handed and refused to have a child the same way. So every time I picked up something with my left hand, it was spanked and put in my right. So, walla...I am right handed.
I always teased my mom saying that's why I am so confused in the head |
Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 617
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 8:00 am: | |
We are still waiting for cc's evidence to support his statements regarding lefthandness and it's association with stuttering. Hearsay from a purported "doctor" is not sufficient to counter the hard evidence several of us have offered.
As promised, here is your reminder that supporting evidence is requested. |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19255
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 5:01 pm: | |
Evidence of something (a cause and effect relationship) that doesn't exist? Neat trick if possible. The burden of proof lies on the party making the claim/hypothesis. Even if it were verified, it would be at best academic information. At worst, it would be a harmful label and ascription of victim status such that the person afflicted would lose hope to some degree in the ability to overcome the problem. |
Classicyesfan
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 5:53 pm: | |
NOT evidence:
"Evidence of something (a cause and effect relationship) that doesn't exist? Neat trick if possible. The burden of proof lies on the party making the claim/hypothesis. Even if it were verified, it would be at best academic information. At worst, it would be a harmful label and ascription of victim status such that the person afflicted would lose hope to some degree in the ability to overcome the problem."
That is more hearsay. Paging a real doctor?
(Message edited by classicyesfan on March 08, 2009) |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19289
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| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:09 am: | |
Sigh...slowing it down for those having trouble...by way of an analogous story.
Chicken little says that the sky is falling. Rational observers say that the sky is not falling. Chicken Little demands that these observers prove that the sky is not falling, but refuses to support, with proof or compelling logical argument, his original claim that the sky is falling. Without the original claim, there is no refutation of said claim...proof of this is not possible. Proof of the original claim is possible (but does not exist) and it is the burden of Chicken Little to provide that proof lest he be rightfully dismissed.
Slow enough for you? |
Thnk2mch
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Post Number: 1353
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 5:18 pm: | |
Cameras have the shutter button on the right, forcing you to use your right hand.
Ink pens that you "twist" to make the point come out will automatically screw back in as you write if you are left handed. |
Classicyesfan
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Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 7:33 pm: | |
Heavier sigh. Let's it bring it WAY down....
Again, this is NOT evidence:
"Sigh...slowing it down for those having trouble...by way of an analogous story.
Chicken little says that the sky is falling. Rational observers say that the sky is not falling. Chicken Little demands that these observers prove that the sky is not falling, but refuses to support, with proof or compelling logical argument, his original claim that the sky is falling. Without the original claim, there is no refutation of said claim...proof of this is not possible. Proof of the original claim is possible (but does not exist) and it is the burden of Chicken Little to provide that proof lest he be rightfully dismissed. Slow enough for you?"
Again, that is hearsay. Analagous stories?
It is not the evidence we have requested.
Meaningless drivel is rejected as non-evidence. Future submissions of hearsay will also be rejected. Why bother posting non-evidence?
Is that down enough for you?
Again, paging a real medical opinion here.
Where'a a doctor when you need one? |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19303
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| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:09 pm: | |
Even slower. I am not providing proof, I am explaining why the burden of proof is not on me here. |
Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 640
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 5:35 pm: | |
Snail slow now. We made claims with supporting evidence. You made claims that are hearsay with no supporting evidence. Still too fast for ya?
Again, where's the beef, cc? The burden of proof is on you. We have proven our claims. You have failed to do so. Moral of the story? Speak not of what you know not of. Clearly there is not enough know of.
If you need me to explain it again, I can channel Palin dumbness for ya. You Betcha!!!
Paging a real doctor!
You are down for the count, MD Bats. Expiry date looms. |
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