Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 1222 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 7:36 pm: | |
http://chattahbox.com/entertai nment/2009/02/18/pat-robertson -denounces-rush-limbaugh-for-h oping-obama-fails-as-president / Who could have predicted this one. |
Mopardan Member Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 8:10 pm: | |
Keith Olbermann read it last night on his "Worst Person in the World" segment; Limbaugh being the worst, but that's nothing new. I was surprised as hell to find out that Robertson actually said that. In regards to Rash Windbag, you gotta love a draft dodging, drug addicted lawbreaker. |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1209 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 11:43 pm: | |
Pat Robertson has also been claiming that God has been telling him that President Obama will straighten out the economy and that Americans will embrace socialism. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/i ndex.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=8 5243 |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 1235 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 1:11 am: | |
Most so-called Christians, and certainly neo-cons, will be hard pressed, or even scared to answer about this thread!!! |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 1236 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 1:14 am: | |
Most so-called Christians, and certainly neo-cons, will be hard pressed, or even scared to answer, and give their thoughts about this |
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive
Post Number: 910 Registered: 08-2008
| Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 6:52 pm: | |
That's Robertson's 15 seconds of lucidity. Put him back in his room and strap him down. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 18990 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 11:11 pm: | |
Why do liberals think that folks like Robertson are true conservatives? |
Mopardan Member Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 7:54 am: | |
Quote: Why do liberals think that folks like Robertson are true conservatives? ============================== ================== CC, you can't generalize everyone with a different viewpoint as a "liberal". You need to define what one is to begin with. For example, if I agreed with 99% of your viewpoints, but disagreed with 1%, am I suddenly some "Bleeding Heart Commie Pinko"? The majority of the populace is fairly moderate & will reject extremism eventually. Getting back to Robertson...if you take a look at how the GOP presents itself to the public, he is pretty much their poster boy for "Christian Conservatism". You can say he & his organization hijacked the party. With Palin still lurking, my father-in-law says they are "going more redneck by the day". My wife's family were faithful Republicans until around the 2000 election. My father-in-law would probably share a lot of your views as far as limited government, but on the flipside, he is pragmatic where the social aspects are. You can't blame anyone on this message board for "believing" Robertson is a "true conservative", because that's how his propaganda machine as spun it. And it appears the Republican party seems satisfied with it. I think your beef is with Pat, the 700 Club & The Christian Coalition; straighten them out first. Good luck! |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 623 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 1:23 pm: | |
If Pat Robertson is not a cultural conservative, then no one is. Bats might have as simplistic and one-dimensional understanding of 'conservative' as he does of the appellation 'liberal' O. |
Ferntruth Member Username: Ferntruth
Post Number: 755 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 4:00 pm: | |
"Why do liberals think that folks like Robertson are true conservatives?" Maybe for the same reason that you consider everyone who disagrees with you a Socialist, or Liberal, or a Socialist-Liberal? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8563 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 4:43 pm: | |
get it straight - it's liberal fascist socialists to you! |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 9482 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 5:10 pm: | |
People consider Robertson a conservative, because the Republican party has chosen to cater to the religious fundamentalist wackos of this country in order to shore up votes for their candidates. They have put that face on their party, nobody else is to blame. Until they reject that nonsense as the fringe lunacy it is, so it will continue. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19004 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 5:13 pm: | |
Nice try, but not that simple Ferntruth. Example, I am pro gun control, so those who disagree with me on that subject are obviously not liberal socialists. JL has the idea...or much closer to it. |
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit
Post Number: 1986 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 6:08 pm: | |
Faulty logic. Please address and correct. You are stating that you can be a conservative with a liberal view on an issue, but if a person is a liberal he/she can not have a conservative view on an issue. |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 1253 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 8:56 pm: | |
So tell me then Bats, why do you label everyone here who disagrees with you, a socialist liberal? Most folks nation wide are pretty center/moderate, yet when you listen to the faces of the right, they are "extremests". Go figure! |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 6735 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 7:26 pm: | |
Letterman - Rush Limbaugh: Bonehead Gangster |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 594 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 7:55 pm: | |
"People consider Robertson a conservative, because the Republican party has chosen to cater to the religious fundamentalist wackos of this country in order to shore up votes for their candidates. They have put that face on their party, nobody else is to blame. Until they reject that nonsense as the fringe lunacy it is, so it will continue." Republicans will continue to bed the extremist Christian zealots until the Archie Bunkers of America realize that they have been deceived into voting against their own interests by falling for the appeals to their baser instincts of intolerance and divisiveness. Long live Fred Phelps! |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19177 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 12:25 am: | |
As I am so often discussing the rational conservative capitalist positions favorably, how do you suggest I refer to the opposition of those themes? Liberal socialist is the perfect and fitting label. |
Histeric Member Username: Histeric
Post Number: 338 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 6:58 am: | |
I suggest that you refrain from "labelling" altogether...and engage in honest debate of ideas/policy/history/evidence/ truth. But that's just me...a liberal, conservative, hippy dippy, libertarian, socialist, commie bastard. |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 597 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 8:19 am: | |
"Liberal socialist is the perfect and fitting label." It seems nearly every one of your posts contains a variant on the word "socialism". I wonder what that signifies? I wish a button could be added that would filter out posts based upon a word, words, or phrases. Yeah, we know Joe McCarthy doesn't like commies, er, I mean, ccbatson labels everything socialism if it doesn't enable the wealthiest to take advantage of the downtrodden. |
Mopardan Member Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 228 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 8:45 am: | |
CYF, I've quit dealing with CC directly; no matter how much evidence you provide, in the end you are a "socialist fascist liberal" or whatever order he puts them in. On the left-handed thread, after I pulled up several references & sources to counter him, he wrote "We agree to disagree". So, I've left it at that. The problem is that debate has to be a two-way street, in that you need to allow the other person to present their view without resorting to name calling or getting personal. Because I may not agree with someone else 100% & I'm "labeled" due to it, that pretty much tells me it's futile to continue the discussion. I actually agree with him to an extent about the free market; that is if it were to actually exist in a pure sense. It doesn't; one reason is because other countries stack the deck against us. If we were to enact "Fair Trade" practices then suddenly we're protectionists. The problem is, too many of our own citizens buy into the protectionist argument, so that aggravates the situation. I'm getting off topic here, so I'll close it out. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4537 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 8:52 am: | |
The Republicans are in the political civil war with each other. This is because they lost hope to American people. First: The Republicans spend billions of taxpayer money to wasteful projects and succeful projects for the rich. Second: They depend on the retard now former President George W.(BIN LADEN) Bush for rediculous globalization trade politicies that resulted of millions of manufacturing jobs going overseas for cheap--I mean slave labor in order to make cheap American products. Third: They depend on the retard now former President George W.(BIN LADEN) Bush for the follie WAR--, I mean liberation of Iraq instead of looking Al-Qaeda. Forth: They depend of Presidental Candidate John Mc"CAIN" and appointed an joe six pack, domesticated wife who eats moose from Seward Follie named Sara Palin. He ended up as a political satirical media performer for Saturday Night Live. Both of them were no match against Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Fifth: They failed to agree on President Obama's ecomonic stimulus package they would hopefully save our ecomony in which it will because it provided a safety net for U.S. taxpayers. Face it consevatives, your GOP party is over! The United States is destined to become a VERY STRONG DEMOCRATIC AND SOCIALIST NATION that would be equivalent to Canada. So deal with it. NUMQVAM RE PVBLICA CIVITATEM REGIT! |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4538 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 8:54 am: | |
Democratic proletarians of the United States unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! Democratic Socialism forever |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 605 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 7:27 pm: | |
Danny, be careful, we might provoke cc into joining the new American Tea Party movement. We don't want to see him jailed for subversion. I'm still trying to find out what they intend to throw overboard. |
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field
Post Number: 1771 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 7:47 pm: | |
http://www.Rushforpresident.co m The Britney Spears of conservatism, all style, no substance, and a bunch of dittohead idiot groupies who made him quite filthy rich. He represents the seven deadly sins all in one obese Rx drug-addicted package. Too bad that he would likely be unable to withstand the physical rigors of a campaign as the GOP's '12 POTUS candidate, along with Coulter, Palin, or Malkin as his pick for VP, that would be pure gold for aspiring comedians. If Rush believes that President Obama should debate him, why did he not throw his hat in the ring as a GOP candidate back in 07? Because he knows that wouldn't have happened, as he is not a politician, nor has Obama any reason now to even respond, which I am pretty certain that Rush will continue to regale his listeners with. "Obama is afraid to engage in a debate with me!!" |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19187 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:55 pm: | |
Mopardon..quit dealing with me directly have you? Calling me out isn't exactly the way to do that, now is it? Everyone here is simply opposing the use of the terms for the sake of opposing them, but nobody is refuting the meaning of the terms and how they appropriately apply as I use them. You would have better luck with the old "I am rubber, and you are glue" strategy. |
Mopardan Member Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 7:43 am: | |
Interesting how you jumped right on that. When someone offers up proof to counter your arguments, you resort to jingoistic comments or avoid responding because you know you can't refute it. But when you see it as being "called out"... In the few cases where I have agreed with you, no response whatsoever. I guess it comes as a shocker when it occurs & leaves you speechless. Had to laugh at the "rubber/glue strategy" comment. It probably boils down to the need of playing Devil's Advocate no matter the subject. Getting way off topic here, so I'll turn the thread back over. In any case, you have a nice day. |
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter
Post Number: 817 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 9:33 am: | |
Kaa-ching! Back to the batcave. Do not pass go. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8622 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 11:15 am: | |
" but nobody is refuting the meaning of the terms and how they appropriately apply as I use them." everybody refutes the meanings you create for words. it's a common comment |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19212 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 5:34 pm: | |
You never disappoint Rb...zero substance , all of the time. Of course any number multiplied by zero is....still zero. Good job not dealing with me directly again Mopardon. How long did your vigil last? |
Mopardan Member Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 6:22 pm: | |
http://www.twincities.com/poli tics/ci_11834395?source=rss Analysis: Why the Democrats have painted a bull's-eye on Rush Limbaugh From the article: "The television cameras just can't stay away from him," (James) Carville said Tuesday, a day when cable news played images of Limbaugh seemingly on a loop. "Our strategy depends on him keeping talking, and I think we're going to succeed." You go big guy! |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 610 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 6:48 pm: | |
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Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19236 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 12:02 am: | |
Playing right into his hands, just as he planned and hoped. |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 616 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 7:56 am: | |
"Rush Limbaugh was always a moron, but now he's an Oxymoron." - Bette Midler |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19257 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 5:07 pm: | |
Bette Midler?? Trying to leach a little fame and notoriety being a washed up has been? Really a never been. |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 1294 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 3:33 pm: | |
As an entertainer, I'd say Bette Midler was far more talented that drug-addicted, windbag Rush. Rush may have a larger following, but thats because there are a lot of ignorant people in this country who love a good biggot. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19263 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 4:35 pm: | |
Different genre's entirely. In film, comedy and music, you think Bette Midler is/was talented? Well, no accounting for taste. |
Hpgrmln Member Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 674 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 6:05 pm: | |
"Republicans will continue to bed the extremist Christian zealots until the Archie Bunkers of America realize that they have been deceived into voting against their own interests by falling for the appeals to their baser instincts of intolerance and divisiveness." If youre going to post libelous comments I sincerely hope you can back them up. And dont even bring up Fred Phelps again. That guy is too extreme to be embraced by ANY party.He can't even be taken seriously. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19287 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:00 am: | |
Religion has no rightful place in politics...liberal or conservative. That is what separation of church and state is meant to bring to the structure of our government. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 6770 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 6:05 pm: | |
This whole article is so astonishing that I couldn't decide what to excerpt so I'll just quote the first two paragraphs.quote:A former leader of the Christian Right has issued a truly scathing and blistering critique to the Republican Party, calling them "anti-American" and a "fifth column" in the country for their efforts to "sabotage" national economic recovery. Frank Schaeffer, whose evangelical parents were a driving force behind the formation of the Christian Right movement in the 1970s and 1980s, on Sunday burned whatever bridges he might have had left with the GOP after he left the party in 2000 with a blog posting on The Huffington Post and in an interview with CNN's D.L. Hughley.... Ex-fundamentalist castigates Republicans for being a 'fifth column' Schaeffer's rant gets more and more vitriolic throughout the article. Be sure to watch the D.L. Hughley video at the end to get a true sense of Schaeffer's passion about the issue. For many years Republicans were able to successfully motivate their members by fomenting anger. Now that they're in troubled waters, that anger seems to be turning in on itself. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19308 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:20 pm: | |
Looking for attention and power where they have no place or right to find it. |