  Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2300 Registered: 08-2007 |
That's an interesting trick ... backpedaling while going on the offensive. Bottom line you wanted to pigeon hole Mike Steele with a bunch of other people and for proof you use a few other black republicans. For some reason you can't see beyond Mike Steele's race and hint that he is somehow unworthy of praise because he is both a conservative and black. Now, what part of blackness precludes someone from being a conservative, Oladub? Either they should not be or they can't be according to your logic. I thought it was Mr. Obama who wanted us to see beyond the limits of labeling each other. I thought we Americans were khubayaing all over each other in the spirit of the moment. But as soon as Republicans elect Mike Steele you set down comity and attack him on his apparent gall at being a conservative. Shocking. Why do you think he shouldn't be a conservative? Because of where he was born? His education? Or who his parents were? Why is it that Republicans can't elect a black man to a powerful position without certain people resorting to stereotypes? Huh, Oladub? Ain't he qualified? Finally, I said, "How very neo-con of you" in referring to your CC style tactics, not politics. You might want to double check that comprehension thing. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18439 Registered: 11-2006 |
Tell me where I attempted to pigeon hole him please. Fact is, I did not, check the posts on this thread again. Obama is a cryptic and deceptive politician. Meaning that when he says that he doesn't want to label people by race, he is doing exactly that. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2301 Registered: 08-2007 |
not you CC, Oladub. He was using your technique of restating the same thing as though that proves anything. It was a little bit of a poke in the ribs. Sorry if I hit an artery. I just get tired of self described open minded people being so closed off. | ||
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni Post Number: 1058 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hi Gnome. I hear what you are saying (posting). Try not to tire of opposing ideas. That is defeatist. As for "poke in the ribs" and "hit an artery" - almost anyone can take offense or blush (figuratively). Open mindedness has differing meanings for each individual. Structured ideas will conflict at intersection. Almost no one is open minded on literally everything. Open mindedness itself can interfere with "getting things done". Open mindedness about open mindedness  OK, I'm off my "preachy" high horse now. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18451 Registered: 11-2006 |
Rational open mindedness only please...the rest is blind faith and stupidity. | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1136 Registered: 08-2006 |
Gnome, I never called Michael Steele 'conservative' or commented that Michael Steele 'was not worthy of praise'. I attacked him for being a 'neocon'. You go on and on talking to yourself about your inane fantasy that I don't like Michael Steele because he is black. You are wrong. I simply do not like neocon politics no matter the source. My comments, to which are referring, are to be found in my posts 1130 and 1131. You have claimed I called Powell a 'neo-con', called Michael Steele a 'conservative'. Please point out my exact words that would prove your claims. Dragging Bats into the discussion to somehow discredit me did nothing to bolster your claims either. So far, in addition to screwing up facts, you have, based on my posts 1130 and 1131, suggested that I am both a neo-con and a narrow-minded, bigoted, Liberal, racist, have defended Rev. Wright, have shallow knee jerk reactions, am kind of Bull Connerish, and think "that black folk shouldn't be allowed to be Republicans". All of this insight based on my posts 1130 and 1131. Amazing! Anyone can look up what I wrote and conclude that either I am all of those things you called me or conclude that you are wrong. ______________________________ _______ Back on topic- Here is the YouTube video where Sean Hannity endorsed Michael Steele for RNC Chairman (at 4:15 into this video) and where Steele told Hannity everything that he wanted to hear in this Hannity & Colmes interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =B2yEf1HwQfM | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18459 Registered: 11-2006 |
Again...using the lame liberal label neocon discredits the speaker as soon as it is uttered. Better not to use it. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 613 Registered: 05-2006 |
"This is change." quote Yes, this is change The wake up call has finally gotten thru to the Republicans who are trying to maintain some relevancy as a political party. How can a party not see the demographics of the country changing yearly and not adjust and embrace diversity. Now they want to parade Jindal, Steele and others like them as the future of the party. When people are out of work losing homes etc. the last thing folks want to hear are the wedge issues that the repubs like to play in hopes of winning an election. And trust me Palin is not the future as some would like to think, she is too far to the right. If Obama delivers on 1/2 of his promises the dems will have the white house for the next 10-15 years Besides it will take that long for the people to forget the supply-side economic policy the repubs like to push on the people. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18460 Registered: 11-2006 |
It isn't about diversity...it is about defending our liberty from socialism. | ||
Atwater Member Username: Atwater Post Number: 361 Registered: 09-2007 |
quote: 1kielsondrive, so not cool. What makes Michael Steele "self hating"?? Can't someone with dark skin hold conservative ideas, or be a Republican, because they believe in the ideology, without being called "self hating"? How do you know how he views his blackness? Sorry, but it's opinions like yours that fly in the face of true diversity- diversity of opinion, and the freedom to have diverse opinions. As you seem to see it, black people should only logically reside in one part of the political spectrum, without the freedom to hold other views and not be thought of as "self-hating". How very tolerant of diversity-of-opinion of you. | ||
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni Post Number: 1060 Registered: 05-2007 |
"Rational open mindedness only please...the rest is blind faith and stupidity." Ccbatson, how does blind faith (as used above) differ from the invisible hand? Also, rational open mindedness is easily oxymoronic. Is that your intended utilization above? If yes, you can easily anticipate the next question. Please bear in mind, my oft questioning is based on attempting to place accountability on word usage. | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1137 Registered: 08-2006 |
Bats. I have to disagree with your remark, "using the lame liberal label neocon discredits the speaker as soon as it is uttered. Better not to use it." If Republicans can't discern the meaning of 'neo-con', they will remain in the wilderness for a long time. Neocon positions have ruined the Republican Party and hurt the country. Neocons differentiate themselves from paleoconservatives, traditional Republicans, and libertarians by their greater support of social spending, foreign unilateral interventionism, desire to be able to control the world, support of big government and big spending statism, and foreign nation building. In some ways, they are closer to liberals than conservatives. Many of the founding Republican neocons, were in fact former Democrats. As long as the Republican Party wants to play host to these parasites, it will lose elections. | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 847 Registered: 08-2008 |
Gnome's on his high horse. I guess if you have a sense of humour, however snide, satirical and biting it may be, you're automatically narrow and bigoted. Okay, if you say so Gnome. I also think it's silly to be gay and a (Log Cabin) neo-con, republicrat. I come to the same conclusion about gays as I do about blacks. I guess I'm narrow, bigoted and......(I'll let you supply the definitions). Not that I believe the demicans are a whole lot better. Can you imagine belonging to a party, club, society, or any organization that doesn't like and respect you? The neo-con republicrats DON'T like homosexuals and blacks!!! No matter how they bill themselves, no matter how they market themselves to minorities, no matter how they lie, they don't like homosexuals and blacks. Neo-con, republicrats are scared of homosexuals and blacks. The neo-con, republicrats need Steele and his ilk to put a facade on their lies. And Steele plays right into their hands. I don't care if black people are neo-con, republicrats. I wouldn't care if Dan Savage joined the neo-con republicrats. It doesn't change the equation. Oh geez, I almost forgot Mexicans. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2305 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: You belong to DetroitYes, so how DOES it feel? | ||
Ongowwah Member Username: Ongowwah Post Number: 232 Registered: 03-2008 |
Steele is perfect for that position. If a white man were there instead he would be called racist everytime he critized Obama. Hang on though, we need to get a pool going as to when one the "black leaders" calls him "Uncle Tom". | ||
Larryinflorida Member Username: Larryinflorida Post Number: 3403 Registered: 02-2007 |
Putting a black face on a defective product won't make it better. Luring brown people into the GOP tent Is their only hope in the next century. But how they do that will be critical. Reagan Democrats who flipped to the GOP were told that the GOP cared about the middle class. We see how that went. People are very suspicious of the GOP. And they should be, because the party of the rich and the party of money will re-invent themselves like a chameleon as needed to gain voters. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3587 Registered: 10-2003 |
From the opinion of a Black man in America and a very open minded one at that, he comes off to me as no less a coon than JC Watts. | ||
Ongowwah Member Username: Ongowwah Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2008 |
I don't accept the "defective" party premise. Not after Pelousy's lowest congress in history and the constant undermining by the dems for the past 7 3/4 years. | ||
Larryinflorida Member Username: Larryinflorida Post Number: 3405 Registered: 02-2007 |
If you think your plan is working, why are we in such trouble? And blaming Pelosi, or Clinton, or Frank or Jimmy Carter are not acceptable answers to America. In other words, since 2001, we have been in a spiral. And that is the doing of the Republicans. The inability of the right to own their failure is quite remarkable. That is the first step to repairing your party, so the sooner you all go "well we just f**ked up" and go about fixing it, the more credible you will become. | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1601 Registered: 01-2008 |
Undermining? LOL!! The past two years of a Democrat majority in Congress was met with filibusters and vetoes by the Shrub and Congressional Republicans. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 615 Registered: 05-2006 |
"I don't accept the "defective" party premise. Not after Pelousy's lowest congress in history and the constant undermining by the dems for the past 7 3/4 years" The party is defective. The party showed that they had no economic answer.. none to what we are going thru. They knew the people weren't going to buy the supply-side economics they were selling any longer. If they can't find a wedge issue to win they are going to revert to dirty tricks/ personal attacks election campaigning as we saw in the last few election cycles. All the election of Steele does is puts a black-face to a bankrupt philosophy. All the Republicans are doing is looking for their Barack Obama. They think this guy is it because he's a good public speaker etc,etc. Until the Republicans make some fundamental changes in the way they operate, the election of Steele won't make a bit of difference. | ||
Benfield Member Username: Benfield Post Number: 90 Registered: 06-2008 |
quote:You claim to be an open-minded black man yet you call two successful, intelligent black men "coons" because you disagree with them politically? A truly open-mined (not small-minded, like yourself) person would be able to explain why they disagree with those two without heading first for a derogatory racial epithet. I know I could. Detroit_Styling = black Archie Bunker | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3589 Registered: 10-2003 |
Correction...please remove the G tyvm... | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 856 Registered: 08-2008 |
Thanks Gnome. You're correct, I belong to DY and I'm probably much disliked here. But I don't have to apply for membership, nor do I have to work my way through the ranks, or mingle, socialize and represent anyone or any collective views. Just me and just mine. So anyone offended by my views about white people, black people, republicrats, demicans, gays, straights, bi's, drugs, abortion, etc, etc, can present their own, much as you've done. I don't dislike you (I don't know you, how could I dislike you) for presenting your ideas but I disagree with some of them. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18462 Registered: 11-2006 |
Correct Kiels...although, one can't dismiss the fact that their ideology is a reflection of their values (or lack thereof when dealing with liberals). This can't be isolated out of who you are and whether you are likable (or not). | ||
Alsodave Member Username: Alsodave Post Number: 657 Registered: 10-2003 |
Again...using the lame neocon label "liberal" discredits the speaker as soon as it is uttered. Better not to use it. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 18466 Registered: 11-2006 |
I had no idea liberal was a derogatory term..."conservative" certainly is not. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 2306 Registered: 08-2007 |
what a laughable thread. Black guys calling Mike Steele a coon? A coon? jeeze, what a waste, D Styling. Oladub, tosses around terms he little understands and applies them with equal vigor to concepts he apparantly cannot fathom. One thing is clear though, an entrenched viewpoint blinds him from appreciating the import of Mike Steele taking charge of the Republican Party. Will bigots still reside within the Party, maybe. If DStyling is any indication, the Democrats are well represented in that catagory. Will true neo-cons like Bill Kristal still try to ply their failed philosphy, sure. The guy needs the paycheck. But for all you haters, Mike Steele ain't no neo-con, despite how many secret air-kisses he gets from Sean Hannity. But the thing I don't understand the most is why so many here are busting Steele's balls. Just look at it from your own self-interest. The Karl Rove/GWB/Cheney Neo-con philosophy has hit a brick wall. Just look at the election. That old message is not getting much love. But you say Steele is a slightly darker copy-cat of those pasty fools. So what you are saying is that the Republican Party has installed new failed leadership thereby insuring their continued demise. You should be dancing in the fucking streets that D-styling's coon is shuffling the RNC into the trash heap of history. But you wail in protest!? What? You refuse to support your own self-interest? Heck, kids, what about dumb fuck don't you understand? | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 857 Registered: 08-2008 |
"Haters, busting balls, pasty fools, dancing in the f*#+!^g streets, dumb f*@k". We refuse to support our own self-interest. WOW! Who determines my own self-interest? That's some mighty fine debating points and language. I'd rather laugh at the republicrat party's blatant posturing, positioning itself as a real answer for minorities (or anyone, for that matter) seeking a representative party, if it wasn't so important. | ||
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni Post Number: 1065 Registered: 05-2007 |
Anything Ccbatson? (Referring to my post # 1060 above). If no response from you, I'll just let the questions rest unaddressed by you. |
