  Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9075 Registered: 12-2003 |
I've pondered for years and years how the general population of Nazi Germany could be seduced and induced to follow that great evil. Now I see it played out around me daily. Make a portion of the populace feel some loss or some sort of pain, discomfort, or even merely fear of those. Then point to the convenient scapegoat, the guy might even admit it to the camera! Step back and marvel at the depths of depravity even the most staunchly moral a character can dredge from the dark shadows of their merely human souls. Instant justifiable hatred towards an indefensible class of individuals...voila! So sweet in multiples... That is all I hear in the news today...and bump into the friction in society every time I step out in it. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19150 Registered: 11-2006 |
Fascism born from desperation after defeat in WWI is the answer. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 8607 Registered: 02-2007 |
ahh, while there is truth to your simplicity, it is, in deed, simplistic. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19157 Registered: 11-2006 |
As it always is...and should be. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 8616 Registered: 02-2007 |
as it seldom is, and as the undereducated require it | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 604 Registered: 04-2008 |
And should be it is...as always. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1290 Registered: 05-2006 |
So why all the hate from neo-cons towards anyone who disagrees with their narrow views? | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1764 Registered: 02-2005 |
Probably for the same reason there's so much hate from the left towards anyone who holds opposing views. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 6741 Registered: 12-2005 |
Two Minutes' Hate | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4495 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: But you're not overgeneralizing or anything.... It's exactly that kind of attitude that invites disdain from thinking people on the political left. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19186 Registered: 11-2006 |
"Hate" from neocons? Show me "hate"...I see only justified disagreement and passion for the American Dream. | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 1679 Registered: 12-2007 |
2001-2009 | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19191 Registered: 11-2006 |
Wow...what a compelling and detailed case you make....not. Next? | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 607 Registered: 04-2008 |
cc say: "I see only justified disagreement and passion for the American Dream." Take off the red-state colored glasses! | ||
Carolcb Member Username: Carolcb Post Number: 2257 Registered: 11-2006 |
Holding religion and the ability to kill people with the Bible in one hand and a gun in the other.....Making people less than you are.....and the whole "you're either with us or against us"....Throw Cheney in there with that look on his face when he was the biggest evil of all, and you've got your propaganda movement all over the media. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4498 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: And please tell us, what did BushCorp do to advance the American Dream during Junior's 8 year chairmanship? Are we living it now? I can't tell. | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1767 Registered: 02-2005 |
"It's exactly that kind of attitude that invites disdain from thinking people on the political left." Pointing out the truth sometimes has that effect. I guess it all depends on the color of your reading glasses, and mine are clear,not rose. | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 818 Registered: 03-2007 |
Carolcb, Yours, was a very good post. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4500 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: And who are you to say what the truth is? Arrogant much? | ||
Carolcb Member Username: Carolcb Post Number: 2259 Registered: 11-2006 |
I just cannot believe there are still people who think Bush did the right thing for the world, for our country, for anyone. That we are still hashing this mess just like we were 22 months ago or 36 months ago or whatever.... | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1769 Registered: 02-2005 |
"And who are you to say what the truth is? Arrogant much?" No Dan, you took that prize long ago. | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 1680 Registered: 12-2007 |
Well...I love how the righties are treating the Obama Presidency the exact same way they treated the Clinton one, fight everything tooth and nail regardless of its potential good for the country. By the way...I loved Bobby Jindal on 30 Rock...he plays Kenneth the page right??? | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19208 Registered: 11-2006 |
Forget Bush, that debate is now a dead end. Speaking of dead ends, notice where Obama is leading the country? | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 612 Registered: 04-2008 |
"Speaking of dead ends, notice where Obama is leading the country?" Actually, we see the dead end in our rear view mirror. Buh-bye to the worst ever..... | ||
Gibran Member Username: Gibran Post Number: 4569 Registered: 02-2007 |
well 60 percet of us think in the right direction...what should he have done..continue to cut taxes on the wealthy oh thats right they deserve to have lower taxes than the middle class...should he throw people out o ftheir homes if they run into a bad patch...ummm maybe he should have done nothing.. he can't win either way with some...at least we waited for Bush to give us some material before we started hammeringhim...this guys been in office 60 days...and he inherited the biggest crisis since the 1930's and 40's..and two war fronts. WWGD: develop a wrist band and hide behind the end of days rhetoric...sorry we have lived that | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9076 Registered: 12-2003 |
Nah, I was speaking specifically of the very clear divide-and-conquer actions that so fill our media today. Last year they taught us to hate anyone who was responsible for the gasoline prices. Later on, it was bankers. Then industrialists and their private jets...nevermind the banker's jets are bigger, faster, and have to fly all the way to Switzerland before they stop. Anyone who bought more home than they could afford, or even worse those dreaded property flippers. Those dumb enough to pursue the American dream... ...who's next on the hate target list?! It is near time for a redux of that old Pogo cartoon...we have met the enemy, every time we look in the damn mirror. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19223 Registered: 11-2006 |
Wake up CYF, your dream about a honeymoon with Obama is over and the economy is tanking in prime socialist style at his hands back on the planet Earth. | ||
Sturge Member Username: Sturge Post Number: 278 Registered: 05-2007 |
In just about two months? Impressive. | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 621 Registered: 04-2008 |
"Wake up CYF, your dream about a honeymoon with Obama is over and the economy is tanking in prime socialist style at his hands back on the planet Earth." The economy tanked before Obama took office. It took more than 2 months to wreck the economy. Smell the coffee....it's a new morning and the Republican hangover will go away. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19250 Registered: 11-2006 |
Look at the numbers and the timeline, add to that what the next months (up to 4 years from Jan 20, 09) hold in store. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9088 Registered: 12-2003 |
It is SO funny that you folks are proving my thesis...that even you all are so consumed with the divisions between you to not notice the larger picture. It is quite dim of you to continue these divides, when they are falsely created merely to keep y'all divided. Great sheople to let yourselves be duped that way. I know, I've been a victim of these tactics as well. But the premise of this thread still stands. We are being played, and fiercely. There is someone, or some group, obviously creating these situations where a scapegoat is revealed in EVERY situation for the populace to gather together and unite in common, justifiable HATRED. When it is mutual, it sets up a situation where the populace will invite in a solution that appears on the surface to solve their immediate threat or pain...but will be a huge mistake to follow. We must be forever diligent in these times to NOT allow any hatred in our hearts...these days, it is increasingly easy to allow LOVE to dry up leaving our hearts empty, hollow vacuums for hatred to seep and creep in. Cheers all...I hope this resonates with at least some of you! | ||
Benfield Member Username: Benfield Post Number: 124 Registered: 06-2008 |
quote: I suspect people could post nursery rhymes and that would prove your "thesis" in your own mind. A spat between Danindc and CCbatson is not indicative of the population as a whole. In fact I’ve never come across two personalities that could so easily be defined as outliers as Dan and Bats. quote: Just who is this nefarious force manipulating the mere populous so? Do they have tanks stored at Fort Grayling? Are they adding fluoride to our water? Perhaps some of your so-called scapegoats are actually, oh I don't know, culpable for bad things. Who is out there shouting up with hatred exactly? Anger and hatred are two different things. I think you are peddling intellectual homeopathy. "LOVE" and "HATE" and talk of our precious hearts is a lot of fuzzy nonsense. The economy is in trouble because we didn't think with our heads, not because of a lack of love in our hearts. You wish to think, nay feel, otherwise and that's cool. Everyone has a right to let Peter Popoff cure their cancer. | ||
Islandman Member Username: Islandman Post Number: 1999 Registered: 08-2004 |
Don't think for a minute that some Republicans are glad they lost this election. Here some of you are, already wondering why Obama hasn't fixed everything yet. When you total a car, towing it to Ziebart ain't gonna get 'er done. This country is/was going down the shitter for the last 8 years, but I love how it's suddenly all Obama's fault. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 8666 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Just who is this nefarious force manipulating the mere populous so?" ok, you got me. I admit it. I am the Illuminati, the Tri-lateral Commission, The Council on Foreign Relations all rolled into one | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1296 Registered: 08-2006 |
Sometimes it's the political parties that define groups and then pit one group against the other. Better that government protect individual rights instead of championing one group's rights at the expense of others. Related- After Hitler had poised groups against each other, he either had the opportunity or created a situation to politically profit from his efforts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kOO2jTLFq8w&NR=1 | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19355 Registered: 11-2006 |
Not Obama's fault, the fault ofliberal ideology from long ago. Obama is just the latest in the long line. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9089 Registered: 12-2003 |
Geez...Benfield, have you never read Eric Blair's 1984, and the history behind why he wrote it? Or Machiavelli...heh, the record of those in power doing whatever they need to do in order to KEEP it is way too long to deny. We are being duped into hating each other, or easier yet merely hating various 'other' groups, each represented usually by one very bad person or easily tagged group...this has been the scheme since time-out-of-mind. Create some boogie man, then say YOU have the only cure to the fears he installs in the sheople. Laugh all you want. There are riots fuming in people's hearts and minds, it is only a matter of time before they play out in reality. We are percolating and simmering not unlike the late-60s...I am not happy to feel the increase in temperature and pressure from those I engage in conversation around town. Then the Air Force will have their unruly crowds to tame with the new portable microwave populace-cooker...I suspect it will be when the currency finally fails. They are actually late in introducing the Amero and deploying the subcutaneous commerce chip en masse...perhaps they realized they needed a more friendly face on the government than the last guy they installed in the top position. Keep up the good work ignoring this all...just remember when it all comes to pass! | ||
Benfield Member Username: Benfield Post Number: 130 Registered: 06-2008 |
Wow you know George Orwell's given name. That's smart in a kind of eighth grader doing a book report kind of way. The problem is that I see no evidence of riots forming in anyone's hearts and minds. I see a MERE humanity (thump thump) that continues to evolve and endure. The only sheople cowering in fear of boogie men are dullards like yourself fretting the fictions air force boogeymen in your head with their "subscutaneous commerce chips" and what not. Enjoy your doom bunker. http://www.foxnews.com/video/i ndex.html?playerId=videolandin gpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&re ferralObject=3771884&referralP laylistId=playlist | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9091 Registered: 12-2003 |
I have no need to hide...and I surely have no fears. You failed to learn anything in eighth grade, apparently it was too early for you to read then. Maybe you should actually re-read it, the context and content may just strike you in an unusual way now that you are older and hopefully more aware of the world. So nice to see you've been a faithful mere reader here. Evidence...you really want to wait until after it starts to pay it notice. Figures. Too late, then. | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1299 Registered: 08-2006 |
“The most recent evidence ... suggests that the economic expansion remains on track.” -Ben Bernanke We were told that Bush's Wall Street bailout money would be more than enough to take care of the banking problem and that Obama's stimulus package was all about infrastructure. Those programs must have been flaming successes because the President is now suggesting we buy stock. “What you’re now seeing is … profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it,” -President Obama 3/2/09 Americans vote for 'springtime in America' and 'hope' while the prophets that turn attention to the writing on the wall are ostracized or punished because they make voters realize that the emperor is naked. They point out the scam and make elites nervous. When Congress voted for Bush's Wall Street bailout that ninety percent of Americans opposed, a bridge was crossed. Congress and its financiers realized that they could do as they wished and they would be voted back into office anyway. Speaking of attacking groups; State troopers in Missouri are being instructed that people who oppose ILLEGAL immigration. mention the Constitution, or vote for third parties are more likely to be terrorists. Maybe the aircraft carrier sign reading 'Mission Accomplished' was referring to having produced a docile voting base. $825B + $785B +$431B of our childrens' wealth being transferred to the bankers and bureaucrats and we are told that it will all work out. To quote the Mogambo Guru, "Hahaha". http://www.dailyreckoning.com/ nowhere-at-best-%e2%80%93-wipe d-out-at-worst/ | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9096 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oladub, That was earlier reported to be part of the short list definition from Homeland Security...but I heard that from some on-line documentary and have no firsthand knowledge or confirmation of it yet. Back then it was carry a copy of the Constitution, so the amplification and word altering from your report invite closer scrutiny. Do you have any background on the Missouri thing? I don't want to see this on Snopes. Cheers | ||
Benfield Member Username: Benfield Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2008 |
quote: Hm that’s a good point, let me think for a bit/Oh wait, my mistake, it’s absolute bullshit. - Tim Minchin | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 3650 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hmmm. Who do I agree with? The smart, articulate, intelligent Gannon? Or the guy with the shitty attitude who sounds like he's a high school sophomore? Let's see ...  | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1300 Registered: 08-2006 |
Gannon, Allegedly, someone in the Misssouri State Patrol leaked an article he received from the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) "which provides a public safety partnership consisting of local, state and federal agencies, as well as the public sector and private entities that collect, evaluate, analyze, and disseminate information and intelligence to the agencies tasked with Homeland Security responsibilities in a timely, efective, and secure manner. MIAC is the mechanism to collect incident reports of suspicious activities to be evaluated and analyzed in an efort to identify potential trends or patterns of terrorist or criminal operations within the state of Missouri. MIAC also functions as a vehicle for two-way communication between federal, state and local law enforcement community within our region." http://www.dps.mo.gov/homeland security/brochure.pdf This is a copy found on some sort of gun web site. http://www.ar15.com/forums/top ic.html?b=1&f=5&t=843847 I have read comments ranging from 'this is so preposterous that it must be fake' to someone who claimed to have confirmed it. Some doubt is raised because of spelling errors but I notice in the paragraph copied from the Missouri web site above that their were two spelling errors in it. There is active discussion about this on a Ron Paul web site since they have been identified as possible terrorists too. Don't forget that some Ron Paul supporters did throw snowballs at Hannity. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/s howthread.php?t=183388 | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 3652 Registered: 07-2004 |
Right up until they organized Ford in 1941, Harry Bennett called the UAW "terrorists" too. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19368 Registered: 11-2006 |
Terrorist is a bit harsh....but just a bit. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9098 Registered: 12-2003 |
Do you know who Bennett was, Cc? | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19414 Registered: 11-2006 |
Nope, not until I looked it up, just now. I was going by the merits of the statement, not the source. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 6805 Registered: 12-2005 |
Keep an eye on these guys too: Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1. quote: | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1313 Registered: 08-2006 |
The article also mentions that "They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control." Related recent stories- In San Bernadino County, CA, the Highway Patrol and the Marines worked together at a DUI checkpoint. The Iowa Army National Guard dropped plans for urban warfare training in the western Iowa town of Arcadia after being deluged by e-mails and phone calls. But what about getting some troops on the Mexican border where they could actually protect the country? There are two different stories. "Obama Considering Guard Troops on Texas-Mexico Border" http://voices.washingtonpost.c om/44/2009/03/12/obama_conside ring_guard_troops.html?wprss=4 4 "Obama: No U.S. troops to Mexico border for now" http://www.dallasnews.com/shar edcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/st ories/030909dnmetobamaborder.2 63f12df.html | ||
Haikoont Member Username: Haikoont Post Number: 138 Registered: 09-2008 |
This thread is a dream. Between Danindc calling someone arrogant and Gannon using the birth name of George Orwell, the DY asshole index is surging. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 6806 Registered: 12-2005 |
 Room for one more, honey. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19430 Registered: 11-2006 |
George Orwell's opinion of Unions doesn't change anything. |
