  Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19227 Registered: 11-2006 |
I will grant you, my hope/predictions for 2008 were wrong. The predicted consequences of being wrong for the nation are dead on, and the misery is just beginning. | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 618 Registered: 04-2008 |
CC, have the "tax increases" started for the wealthy? I wasn't aware that those who make $250,000 or more had their tax rates increased already. I guess it is misery to part with a few more pennies. | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 619 Registered: 04-2008 |
That's David Huckabee, son of GOP 9th-tier Mike Huckabee, who believes in bits and pieces of the Bible. David, on the other hand, is what might happen if Roger Clinton ate Billy Carter. David tries to smuggle his guns aboard commercial flights, angrily pays $6,000 fines in pennies, and brutally kills stray dogs at Boy Scout camps. He will also sue you if you say he's a pothead. He also likes to wear mu-mu's to sporting events complete with chinchilla collars. I say this is the next GOP candidate. We need the laughs! "Family Values" demands it.  | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19253 Registered: 11-2006 |
No, not yet, coming soon. The misery is underway in the form of surreal and obscene government spending/expansion approved and in the works under Obama. | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 625 Registered: 04-2008 |
Woe is CC, suffering so! I guess the tax hikes hit the wealthy already? I wouldn't know as my pay has not been affected in any manner. It often helps to listen to music when you are in misery. Here's a song for all the sad wealthy people.  | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1777 Registered: 01-2008 |
quote: Yeah, especially that portion which is designated to be spent on national defense and the military!! Oh, snap...I almost forgot that federal funds Silly me. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19280 Registered: 11-2006 |
Without defense, there will be nothing to defend (liberty). | ||
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan Post Number: 633 Registered: 04-2008 |
"Without defense, there will be nothing to defend (liberty)." Haliburton will not stand to profit if we pursue a defensive strategy. (Message edited by classicyesfan on March 08, 2009) | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1281 Registered: 08-2006 |
Flanders, give us a report when you find out how much President Obama has cut back spending for Bush's war on terror and homeland security. Wally, He still is. | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1780 Registered: 01-2008 |
quote: Too bad that the Chimp administration was so intent and aggressive about defending the US against Islamic terrorism, that they completely neglected to defend it against global corporate capitalist economic terrorism. "The fundamentals of the economy are strong" (Chimpy/McLame) "Americans are in a mental recession" (Phil Gramm, McLame's economic advisor) The Chimp's tax cuts and ecOILnomic stimulus checks obviously were as big a failure as his fellow neocon's announcements that the invasion and occupation of Iraq would only last a few months, that the troops would be greeted as liberators, and that it would pay for itself. | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1781 Registered: 01-2008 |
quote: My post indicates, and my point was that there has not been many if any objections raised by conservatives about how much may be spent on our defense, but they are almost unanimously opposed to how much may be spent on the economy. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19286 Registered: 11-2006 |
I freely admit it. Defense, and the writing/interpretation/enforce ment of laws whose sole purpose is to protect individual property rights in circumstances of commerce are THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT. The rest is what is objectionable. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 8635 Registered: 02-2007 |
oh no -- caps! can't argue against that. oh, wait, yes I can...the constitution simply doesn't support you on this, Bats | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 822 Registered: 08-2005 |
quote: As I recall, the biggest bleaters of the "ZOMG HE'S A MORMON" crap were coming from the Evangelical Right. They're the ones who insist on their candidate being an Evangelical Protestant like they are. I can provide you with links to threads on FreeRepublic from ~1 year ago that are overflowing with anti-Mormon bigotry. quote: Who fears Romney? You are making this up. No liberal is afraid of Mitt Romney. Why would they be? Why would any liberal be afraid of the guy who LOST to the guy who LOST to Barack Obama? Yeah, if I'm going to be scared of somebody, it's a double loser. Yeah, liberals are "afraid" of Mitt Romney like conservatives were "afraid" of John Kerry, another rich New England loser who couldn't get the job done despite a massive personal fortune. (Message edited by warriorfan on March 09, 2009) | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1284 Registered: 08-2006 |
Its the American Declaration of Independence, rather than the Constitution, that says that governments are established to secure Creator given (individual) rights such as rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. No other reasons for establishing government are offered. Bats did not say he was quoting the Constitution although it would be difficult to argue that the two documents contradict each other. If Bats was referring to the Constitution (note: 'Constitution' is capitalized) then Rb is correct because it protects the individual from so much more. The First Amendment, by itself, goes beyond the individual protections mentioned by Bats. | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 824 Registered: 03-2007 |
Bats needs rescuing now?, and a mouthpiece? He must have really F'd up. He might be a little insulted at you for speaking for him,Oladub, unless your his attorney. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 8637 Registered: 02-2007 |
Actually, the D of I also makes no mention of property -- actually, if you know the history of the document you would know that the term property was CONSCIOUSLY excluded in the enumerated rights therein. | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1285 Registered: 08-2006 |
Rb,"life, liberty, and property" had been kicked around by other philosophers for awhile before Jefferson. Jefferson expanded upon the latter term. It was a brilliant flourish. The Declaration of Independence does make references to personal property if things like buildings and taxes are included. The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution does contain the phrase "life, liberty, or property" so an implication is that the 'pursuit of happiness" included property wasn't lost or eliminated between Locke, the American Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 8643 Registered: 02-2007 |
"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (5th) Jefferson did not "expand" on the term "property," he replaced it with a completely different term that is in no way related either through meaning or etymology. and he did so after long discussion with the leading thinkers of the day | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 1287 Registered: 08-2006 |
So you are saying that the 'pursuit of happiness' excludes pursuing any happiness derived from property? Are there, in your opinion, any other exceptions based on etymology? Sorry, I don't buy that. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19305 Registered: 11-2006 |
Property rights address far more than material possessions. it really goes to the freedom to think and to own your ideas and abilities. It also means that nobody else has any right to that...most importantly...the government has no right to it. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19306 Registered: 11-2006 |
When someone (or some entity, like government), seizes an individual's property (as defined above), in part or in total, under threat of force...that is slavery. Hence, collectivism/socialism are philosophically equivalent to institutionalized slavery (the worst kind). Is it any wonder that Obama is afraid of being identified (rightly) as a socialist? | ||
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni Post Number: 1380 Registered: 05-2007 |
Gingrich is headed to Michigan tomorrow (Wednesday, 3/11/09) to talk about healthcare. http://newt.org/tabid/102/arti cleType/ArticleView/articleId/ 4047/Default.aspx Gingrich has stated he does not want the President to fail. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19321 Registered: 11-2006 |
Gingrich is so inconsistent, he can't be trusted. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1320 Registered: 05-2006 |
Gingrich is a true hero of the right, how could you say such a thing? | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19324 Registered: 11-2006 |
Easy, health care, and a big one...the green movement are huge divergence points that disqualify him from being a true conservative. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4533 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Well apparently, Obama's stormtroopers came and took all your shit before they got to me. Thanks for the advance warning, though. I'll be sure to sell all my worthless stocks and the real estate with the drastically reduced value. Have fun in the gulag, you old patriot, you. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 771 Registered: 05-2006 |
"Well apparently, Obama's stormtroopers came and took all your shit before they got to me. Thanks for the advance warning, though. I'll be sure to sell all my worthless stocks and the real estate with the drastically reduced value. Have fun in the gulag, you old patriot, you." quote LOL !! Thanks it was a rough day I needed that | ||
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni Post Number: 1384 Registered: 05-2007 |
Gingrich takes on Rush. On Meet the Press, Gingrich states it is "irrational" to hope for the President of the United States to fail. Video included in link. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2009/03/08/gingrich-takes-on-r ush-ho_n_172852.html Then Rush responds (audio included in link) http://www.politico.com/blogs/ bensmith/0309/Rush_whacks_Newt _He_wishes_they_were_running_T V_ads_against_him.html | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1790 Registered: 01-2008 |
quote: Wow...now that I think about it, who else really knows outside of this forum that Ccbatson is such a genuine authority on who is or isn't a "true" conservative? ...as well as his self-perceived valuable and expert opinion on apparently any other political subject imaginable?? He should seriously consider starting a blog on current and historically conservative political figures in order to separate the "wheat" from the mere "chaff" of conservatism, IMO. I'll wager that he would receivein a matter of months, literally thousands of linking hits and hundreds of comments on it weekly, from adoring and respectful conservative bloggers and fans, rather than have to contend with so many disrespectful and insulting liberal socialists here on DYes. The sky is the limit from there, and many of us DYessers could reminisce...say a decade or so from now, digging up old threads that Cc posted on, or created, and discuss his humble beginnings here, before he blossomed into a nationally renowned blogger!! |
