  Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3483 Registered: 02-2007 |
Why are we paying for free cell phones? I understand the low/no income folks looking for jobs. But, don't people without a phone at a job interview just say contact someone they know with a phone? This is a government funded program. http://www.ehow.com/how_482566 1_phones-cellular-service-safe link-wireless.html ""It is now possible to get a free cell phone and free cellphone service, even if you cannot afford to pay the monthly charges. If you qualify for the SafeLink program, which is now offered in Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, you may be able to get a cell phone an cell phone service for free. In addition, SafeLink Wireless cellphone service will be offered in Alabama,Connecticut,D. of Columbia,Delaware,New Hampshire and North Carolina soon. Keep checking the SafeLink website to keep stay informed."" | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4212 Registered: 11-2007 |
Are these recycled cell phones, Sstashmoo ? They collect tons of them everyday, from people upgrading. I've also seen Tracfones as low as $10 with 30 minutes air time. Maybe we can collect just one of those AIG bonuses to pay for this program that lets these people have emergency phone service. With all of the Government waste I've seen during the Iraq war, I don't begrudge just a low cost emergency phone for the low income segment of our society. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3484 Registered: 02-2007 |
They are brand new Motorola tracphones. I'm a bit mixed about it as well. Cell phones just seem like a luxury in most cases. Someone with kids and emergencies, I can see it. Otherwise, no. I just smell a backroom deal shuffled in on the taxpayers. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 9649 Registered: 10-2003 |
Where do you see they are brand new Motorola tracphones? I checked both your link, and the SafeLink web site, and do not see that information stated. I know I have donated old phones to the Sheriff's department in the past. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4214 Registered: 11-2007 |
Well, Walmart had new Motorola W175 Tracfones for $10 with 30 min., and made a profit off them, I'm sure. For anybody to go through the paper hassle to get a free phone, they must really need them. Cell phones are no longer a luxury, with the demise of public pay phones. And besides, everything is a back room deal when it concerns taxpayers. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1888 Registered: 10-2003 |
Wait until sstashmoo finds out that his tax dollars are going to buy phones and minutes for illegals and other foreigners. Haha, someone is using your money frivolously. | ||
Rickinatlanta Member Username: Rickinatlanta Post Number: 279 Registered: 07-2006 |
From the SafeLink site using a 48209 ZIP: Benefits in Michigan Through SafeLink Wireless’ Lifeline Service you can receive: A FREE SafeLink Wireless phone A FREE cellular plan that gives you 68 Minutes every month | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3486 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "Wait until sstashmoo finds out that his tax dollars are going to buy phones and minutes for illegals and other foreigners. Haha, someone is using your money frivolously" Wait till the US is totally broke HAHA.. John, they are new phones, I seen one. They come factory sealed etc. It's probably cheaper to buy a new phone from China than put a new battery in your old one. Digital watches used to be like that, the watch cost 3 dollars and a year later a new battery for it cost 4 dollars. Rick, Those have international minutes too, so those illegals here can call home.  America what a country. (Message edited by Sstashmoo on March 18, 2009) | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19503 Registered: 11-2006 |
Sstashmoo, are you becoming a conservative? If so, welcome. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1889 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: You seen one, huh? Pretty funny coming from someone that likes to bitch about people that don't speak English. quote: So do refurbished phones, which is most likely what people are getting under the program. You can get a Tracfone for what, $10? And that includes the first 60 minutes. Then you can get a 60 minute phone card for probably under $5. So there's a program, possibly with a government grant, but provided by Tracfone Wireless, Inc. It cost very little to provide the benefit that could really help some people. But rest assured here comes sstashmoo to bitch about how poor people, the indigent and possibly foreigners are getting something for nothing. You would think that they are using his personal cell phone to make long distance and possibly international calls. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1890 Registered: 10-2003 |
You can have him, cc. I wouldn't want someone like him on my side. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19507 Registered: 11-2006 |
Rational thought and liberalism are like oil and water Cheddar. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1891 Registered: 10-2003 |
You're wrong, cc. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19509 Registered: 11-2006 |
Yet you, amongst others, constantly prove my statement correct here. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1893 Registered: 10-2003 |
No we don't. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3487 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "I seen one" Here, let me fix that for you and you only: John, I have seen one of them. Now you can take that twist out of your manty-hose. Any hopes you'll pass that stone any time soon? | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1896 Registered: 10-2003 |
If by "stone" you mean pointing out all of the stupid, wrong shit you say then no. You're just mad that I'm pointing out that you're throwing stones while living in a glass house. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1333 Registered: 05-2006 |
Why do people like Bats hate the poor so much? I'd rather see my tax dollars go towards giving someone less off than myself a cell phone instead of... say a new road in Iraq or more money to pro up the Saudi Monarchy or even AIG bonuses. | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1830 Registered: 01-2008 |
People like Ccbatson do not hate the poor per se, IF they live in other countries. They actually LIKE the poor who sit on vast untapped oil fields, or are the inexhaustible sweatshop labor source of the global corporate capitalists. But here in the US, they are simply an annoying and troublesome class of people who should be homeless, starving, or in prison if they can not or will not follow the conservative mantra of "personal responsibility" | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1898 Registered: 10-2003 |
With a citation to Barnesphoto, maybe these conservatives should go live in Mexico. It's just about everything they want. Low taxes, almost no abortions, no welfare, and very christian. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1344 Registered: 05-2006 |
Bats would not like their "marxist leanings", and besides, he's not Christian. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3488 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: " Low taxes, almost no abortions, no welfare, and very christian." Sounds like a nice place. That is why folks of Latino heritage are such good people. God is being removed from the US, one short-sighted liberal at a time. It's turning it's back. See what it is getting us? "In God we trust" "United we stand" This country is falling without God. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1347 Registered: 05-2006 |
Sstash, with all your hatred, me thinks your not really a Christian? God does not hate foreigners. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3489 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "me thinks your not really a Christian?" Big deal.. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1362 Registered: 05-2006 |
So you admit your not a Christian? | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3490 Registered: 02-2007 |
"with all your hatred," Show me a post, where I ever said I hated anyone. "God does not hate foreigners." And who said he did? I didn't. "So you admit your not a Christian?" No offense, but I only admit I owe no one an answer to that. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 1368 Registered: 05-2006 |
"Rick, Those have international minutes too, so those illegals here can call home. America what a country." ______________________________ ____________________ That sounds like sarcasm, and if I may, hatred. ______________________________ ____________________ "Cell phones just seem like a luxury in most cases." ______________________________ ____________________ IMO, more hatred towards those with no phones, or homes to have a telephone. As far as you hateing forigners, well, I admit I read Cheddar_bob's response for that one. If you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN, then you will gladly give your money(by charity or taxes) to folks who are of lesser means than you without b!tch!ng. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3491 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: """Rick, Those have international minutes too, so those illegals here can call home. America what a country." ______________________________ ____________________ That sounds like sarcasm, and if I may, hatred." Sounds like someone pointing out the ludicrous and ridiculous manner in which our government pisses away our money. Quote: "If you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN, then you will gladly give your money(by charity or taxes) to folks who are of lesser means than you without b!tch!ng." What about being "wise stewards"? The whole principle of tithing does not mean drive down the road throwing money out the window. Furthermore, too much emphasis is put on donations by Church supported preachers, they have a dog in the race, and it is not the poor, it's keeping their "job". We have a welfare system now that didn't exist when much of that was written, many of us pay to support already. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19528 Registered: 11-2006 |
"True Christian"?? Wrong, "True Communist". | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1899 Registered: 10-2003 |
These are very cheap, refurbished phones with a handful of minutes that could help some poor people get a job, benefits, healthcare, or child services. This is a very small price to pay, and for sstashmoo it probably cost less than a penny. To him this cost to help other people is "ludicrous" and "ridiculous" snd money that is "pissed away". It is obvious that he is a typical christian that claims to subscribe to the principles (and they are generally good principles), but whose actions are generally opposite of those priciples. He has stated that if you don't speak the language he speaks, you should either learn to speak like him or leave the country. Does that sound like something Jesus would say? | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19538 Registered: 11-2006 |
WHo is paying? Who "chose" to pay? Or did somebody choose for the people paying? That is the most important distinction. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1900 Registered: 10-2003 |
That's a stupid question, cc. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3493 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "He has stated that if you don't speak the language he speaks, you should either learn to speak like him or leave the country." Another fabrication from you. I never said that. I said people should learn our language if they plan on living here. That will do them more good than a cell phone. Quote: "It is obvious that he is a typical christian that claims to subscribe to the principles (and they are generally good principles), but whose actions are generally opposite of those priciples." It's obvious I don't fit YOUR definition of the term. And that is undoubtedly a good thing. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19558 Registered: 11-2006 |
THe word you are looking for is "rhetorical", not stupid (as in question), Cheddar. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1910 Registered: 10-2003 |
Nope, "stupid" was the correct term. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19577 Registered: 11-2006 |
How would you know? I asked the question rhetorically (as is obvious). | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1912 Registered: 10-2003 |
I know because that is the exact adjective I wanted to use to describe your question. I'm not sure what you think gives you the right to decide what descriptive term I want to use, but since it is my opinion, I can use whatever term I see fit. In this case it was stupid. I get to decide my opinion, not you. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19583 Registered: 11-2006 |
I am merely pointing out that you are using the wrong word. You are free to do so as much as you like, as I am free to point out why it is incorrect. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1913 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sometimes, in the case of a difference of opionion, there is no right or wrong. Just two different viewpoints. This is such a case. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19599 Registered: 11-2006 |
No...wrong use of the word given the rhetoric nature of the phrase (mine) on which it is based. An absolute. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1914 Registered: 10-2003 |
So your question was rhetorical. That may be true. I think it was a stupid question and this is also true. I know it is your MO to try to control other peoples' opinions, but you can't. You may think that someone is wrong because they think that the Mona Lisa is a piece of shit, but that doesn't change the fact that they have an opinion on the matter. I say your question was stupid, what are you going to do about it? | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19618 Registered: 11-2006 |
Of course I can't. But I can point ouit that 2+2 does not equal 6, even if it is your opinion that it does. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 7946 Registered: 10-2003 |
He didn't. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1915 Registered: 10-2003 |
I think your question was stupid. It's a subjective opinion, not an unrefutable fact like mathmatics. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19637 Registered: 11-2006 |
Sigh...I know that Bob....I am explaining why the question is not stupid (but rhetorical) which is a logical syllogism resembling the rational process of mathematics...hence the simple math analogy. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1918 Registered: 10-2003 |
I say your question was stupid and you're not going to change my mind, no matter how much explaining you do. Give up. There's nothing you can do about it. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19697 Registered: 11-2006 |
Of course I will not change your mind...nor do I care to. What I have accomplished however, is to win this debate via compelling arguments greater in number and validity then your attempts. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 2069 Registered: 11-2003 |
According to the latest tally, you guys are tied. Please do (not) keep trying to "win." | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1923 Registered: 10-2003 |
You didn't win anything, cc. If saying you won is all it takes then I say I won. And you lost. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 4303 Registered: 11-2007 |
The great debate, (did so, did not, did so, did not, did so, did not, did so, did not, did so, did not, did so, did not.........) | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19739 Registered: 11-2006 |
Take each argument and score them as 0 (no argument), -1 (meaning weakening the poster's position), or +1 for a solid or compelling argument in favor of the position of the poster. Total the points, and the victor for that debate is the one with the highest positive score (me). | ||
Alsodave Member Username: Alsodave Post Number: 795 Registered: 10-2003 |
And does the "highest positive score" equal 19739 (at least on this thread)? | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 7991 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: From another thread: quote: It's all about... | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1930 Registered: 10-2003 |
Even though a casual glance would suggest your scoring system favors those who monotonously repeat the same thing ad nauseum (you), I counted it up and I won by one. Thanks for playing. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19746 Registered: 11-2006 |
Are you sure Cheddar? Better use fingers and toes and check again. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1933 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yep, using even your guidelines, I win. Thanks for your concern. Even though you lost, it was a good effort. If this were Little League we would give a ribbon that says, "Participant". | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19796 Registered: 11-2006 |
Both feet and hands Cheddar? | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1946 Registered: 10-2003 |
A little over 11 hours left for you to be somewhat relevant, cc. |
