  Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 7920 Registered: 10-2003 |
After 8 years of Bushisms...Please. The scary part for our friends on the Right is he might succeed, now we couldn't have that, could we? | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 4001 Registered: 01-2005 |
As a long time moderate Republican who (reluctantly) voted for Sen. McCain, I hereby state my feelings about President Obama after the first sixty days: I frankly like the guy. How's that grab you, Bats? | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 7922 Registered: 10-2003 |
Damn Ray, it's getting crowded over here, so besides all of us lefty-loons, liberals, socialists, communists, radical Marxists, Maoists, etc. now, we're going to have to accept moderate Republicans into this hell Cc has cast us into. Shhesh, do you know what that will do to the price of pitchblend? | ||
Alsodave Member Username: Alsodave Post Number: 773 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Hey, I listened to Rush today too! Except I could only listen for about 15 minutes, and then hit the preset for Doug FM (gotta get the CD player fixed, makes for a more pleasant drive to work). | ||
Vic_doucette Member Username: Vic_doucette Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm white, but suppose for the sake of this discussion that I'm an African-American. Would you tell me a "Little Black Sambo" joke? Of course not. Would you understand why I would find such a joke offensive? Sure you would. So why is it OK to make jokes about the developmentally disabled, a group of people who for the most part can't fight back? Why is the term "retarded," as in "that's so retarded," used to criticize or demean something? I know many, many kids with disabilities, both physical and developmental. Let me tell you a few things about them. If you cut them, they bleed. If you hug them, they hug you back. And each one of them has a family that loves them and cares for them, usually under very difficult and demanding circumstances. May you never have to deal with the situation in your own life. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 6829 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote:Was that a Freudian slip or what? Who in their right mind even imagines "cutting" anyone? "If they're cut, they bleed." might have made more sense. (Message edited by Jimaz on March 20, 2009) | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 848 Registered: 03-2007 |
How about Bush telling a guy twice to stand up, and he's in a wheel chair. Remember that? The chair was in plain site to Bushy too. | ||
Gibran Member Username: Gibran Post Number: 4613 Registered: 02-2007 |
sorry dt I knew she gave birth to a child with downs syndrome..and exactly how have you served people with disabilities? i have for over thirty years...i would more gentle with her if her policies in her state( she is the ceo) was more reflective of her rhetoric...it seems that she will be fortunate to have resources to equal out the playing field..what about the families her states policies effect.. arm chair warrior who has taken to the streets signing off.. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3502 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "Why is the term "retarded," as in "that's so retarded," used to criticize or demean something?" Because that is what the term means. For something to be behind where it actually should be. i.e. "That engine is timed so retarded you can hear it firing on open exhaust valves" It can be applied to development, design etc. Granted it is in poor taste because most associate it with the mentally impaired, but that is not what it means. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1907 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: What, you're afraid he might invade the wrong country or something? | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 1364 Registered: 01-2005 |
I am surprised by Ray and Gistok's views on this topic. It seems to me they consistently express rational, thoughtful and caring opinions. Not in this thread, however. I'm about the least PC-type person there is. My view of Obama's statement has nothing to do with his politics. I believe it illustrates a basic character flaw in the guy and a window into his soul. Those of you who thinks there's nothing wrong with Obama's statement or are so willing to minimize it's impact should re-read the comments of Newport 1128 and Vic_doucette above. (Message edited by 3rdworldcity on March 21, 2009) | ||
Jcole Member Username: Jcole Post Number: 6150 Registered: 04-2005 |
Have any of you people who are so up in arms about this ever said something was 'gay' when you meant stupid or silly? How about telling Polish jokes? Nasty comments about Arabs or Muslims? 'Slow Chinese Driver ' jokes? Blonde jokes? Bad women drivers been a topic of conversation with you? If you can honestly say no to all of the above, then you are better than everyone else and deserve to cast the first stone. Is Jesus among us, then? | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 3503 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "'Slow Chinese Driver ' jokes?" Haven't heard that one, lay it on me. | ||
Jcole Member Username: Jcole Post Number: 6152 Registered: 04-2005 |
It's a Robin Williams bit. | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1792 Registered: 02-2005 |
"How about Bush telling a guy twice to stand up, and he's in a wheel chair. Remember that? The chair was in plain site to Bushy too." Stotter, that wasn't Bush. Our current VP, Joe Biden, committed that gaffe during the campaign. If anyone frequently has to open his mouth to change feet, it's Biden. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1262 Registered: 11-2003 |
"Have any of you people who are so up in arms about this ever said something was 'gay' when you meant stupid or silly? How about telling Polish jokes? Nasty comments about Arabs or Muslims? 'Slow Chinese Driver ' jokes? Blonde jokes? Bad women drivers been a topic of conversation with you? If you can honestly say no to all of the above, then you are better than everyone else and deserve to cast the first stone. Is Jesus among us, then?" I'm absolutely perplexed over this attitude. Have we now gotten to the point that we don't expect more out of the president of the United States than we do the average citizen? I may tell a joke when I'm playing poker with my buddies on a Friday night that I wouldn't think of saying at a business meeting, a dinner party or a church function. The president of the United States is on the clock at all times and should represent the country in a dignified manner and not be making jokes that would be more at home on a grade school playground. | ||
Jcole Member Username: Jcole Post Number: 6153 Registered: 04-2005 |
quote: That's what the Presidency is about. The President is SUPPOSED to be like us, a US citizen, a regular guy, not the King of England. He is elected from the common populace, not anointed. Scratch the surface of most of the past Presidents, and you'll find that they weren't as perfect as people want to believe. The difference between Kennedy and Clinton's sexual indiscretions is that in the 70's and before, the media didn't report on what was going on. Roosevelt, Harding, even Lincoln were all rumored to have girlfriends. Rumored,hell, we all know that Roosevelt did. Jackson was a rolicking, dueling crazy man, and US Grant was a raging alcoholic. James Buchanan was rumored to be gay, and was called 'Nancy Boy' by his opponents. (Message edited by jcole on March 21, 2009) | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1263 Registered: 11-2003 |
So you consider Obama to be a regular guy? I didn't even vote for him but I recognize that he is no regular guy and admit that he has good/great qualities about him that make him stand out from your average person. If he's just like a regular guy this country is fucked. You ever hear the saying that to whom much is given much is expected? He's been given the trust of the American people to lead this country and represent it in the best possible way. My understanding is that you can be president if you're a US citizen and over 35. It doesn't say anything about being a regular guy. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 3791 Registered: 06-2008 |
"Those of you who thinks there's nothing wrong with Obama's statement or are so willing to minimize it's impact should re-read the comments of Newport 1128 and Vic_doucette above. " What you need to realize is that the reason we're so willing to disregard the offhanded comment is because we agree with the President's politics. It may surprise you to hear such an admission, but its important to remember what it is that is important to voters. So you think the comment is a window into his soul? Could be. But as a voter, I'm not any more concerned with that aspect of his soul than I am with the soul of the guy who cooked my steak at Ruth's Chris last night. I hired both of them to do very specific jobs and and my evaluation of them will always be based on their job performance. Now, had the President's remark been a mean-sprited one for which he refused to apologize, this might be a different conversation. But a gaffe such as the one he made on Leno is worthy of a pass. And at any rate, even if the remark had been mean spirited, it would still have no effect my tendency to agree or disagree with the politics of the President or his opponents. Substance is more important than association. | ||
Jcole Member Username: Jcole Post Number: 6154 Registered: 04-2005 |
During the campaign, the anti-Obama crowd bitched that he was 'elitist' and thought he was better than the common populace, now they want to hang him for being too much like the common, run-of-the-mill American. I know that I shouldn't expect reasonableness in politics, but it never ceases to amaze me how inconsistent people can be. | ||
1kielsondrive Member Username: 1kielsondrive Post Number: 1103 Registered: 08-2008 |
Yup, that's a right wing-nut, neo-con for ya. Our President says something off-hand and innocent, and you make a huge deal of it. Where were you neo's when our former president was wrecking the world and talking from the side of his mouth, blatantly attempting to challenge and insult everyone not in lock-step with him and the fundamentalists? I didn't hear criticism from you then. Give it up! | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 1365 Registered: 01-2005 |
OK Tj, you don't care what he says because you like his politics, right. What if the Obama is criticized for taking too much time off, for example, and he self-deprecatingly, laughingly, offhandedly says "I guess I'm just your typical lazy nig___." That's OK as well? You state that "what you need to realize is that the reason we're so willing to disregarded the president's offhanded comment is that we agree with his politics." In other words the guy's politics are more important than common decency. Why am I not surprised? Sort of how so many Germans viewed Hitler, I guess; there'd never even be a Special Olympics if it were up to him because he slaughtered all the would-be Special Olympians. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 4003 Registered: 01-2005 |
3rdworld, what people SAY bothers me not. But what they DO sometimes drives me up a wall. It's just my view that a spoken word is rarely important. Lincoln at Gettysburg was an exception. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 6830 Registered: 12-2005 |
We hit Godwin's Law pretty quickly this time. | ||
Frank_c Member Username: Frank_c Post Number: 1141 Registered: 10-2003 |
What a waste of time.......this thread and Palin is insulted what a joke. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6240 Registered: 08-2004 |
I only hope that those folks on this thead who are outraged by that one sentence that Obama made, were as outraged when former governor John Engler decided to close down state mental health clinics and hospitals. After all those folks were "special" as well. Actions do speak louder than words... (Message edited by Gistok on March 21, 2009) | ||
Jcole Member Username: Jcole Post Number: 6156 Registered: 04-2005 |
That was one of the biggest mistakes that Johnny boy ever made, and we're still paying for it with all the homeless on the streets who should really be in a facility that can care for and medicate them. But he never called them 'retarded' so that made it OK. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1264 Registered: 11-2003 |
"In other words the guy's politics are more important than common decency." Absolutely. If my 6 year old daughter had made the comment that Obama did I sit down with her and explain why it's not appropriate to say that. Yet on this board we have people who excuse his comments because they are in their opinion what the "common, run-of-the-mill American" would say. My suggestion to people who believe that is that you need to start hanging out with a better class of people. | ||
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field Post Number: 1847 Registered: 01-2008 |
quote: quote: quote: Spare us the holier than thou BS and just come out and state what you really think President Obama's "penance" should be for his gaffe. I think that I may already know the answer to that. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 19562 Registered: 11-2006 |
A little taste of their own medicine for liberals with the PC nonsense. |
