  Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 279 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Odds: Lions by 3 OU: 32 1/2 Detroit vs Chicago. In any sport, it brings a tingle through our spine. Deep rivalries between the two cities continue, although not as strong as before when the 1st place Bears come to visit the 2nd place Lions at Ford Field. The Lions have a serious score to settle. They're still proving themselves to the media on many levels: their only huge loss was to these Bears. Since then, Jeff Garcia has taken the helm and looks to get even better this week as the offense has had time to get adjusted. The big question however will be the Detroit defense, which is catching up to the offense on the injury list. Chicago, coming off an impressive victory over the somewhat-hapless Ravens, will look to put a stranglehold on the NFC North with a win this Sunday. With Ahman Green out for the Pack, and Minnesota's continued woes despite their win last week, it's Detroit vs. Chicago for a playoff spot. Breaking it down, the Bears are playing excellent defense, and another breakout from Orton will see 'em cheering west of the Michigan River. CHI 17 DET 9 Other NFC North games: Green Bay (1-5) at Cincinnati (5-2) Odds: CIN by 7 1/2 Minnesota (2-4) at Carolina (4-2) Odds: CAR by 7 1/2 | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 641 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Bly just had surgery on his wrist...he is out 3-4 weeks. Big baby has about a 50-50 shot of playing Sunday. | ||
Rugbyman Member Username: Rugbyman Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.169.230.74 |
17-13 Lions Kalimba Edwards will sack Orton twice. The defense may force a fumble, but I'm not seeing any interceptions since the Dre Bly effect isn't going to force Orton to throw away from his side. Two big defensive stands by the Lions defense on first and goal for the Bears, resulting in field goals. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 808 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Don't like McQuarters starting. Not that we have a choice, but he's too slow to be out there alone on anybody. This game is payback time. If the Lions come out of the tunnel with their heads up their ass I'll be very disappointed. Lack of scoring probably means that turnovers will decide this game. Time for Orton to make some rookie mistakes. Lions 20..Bears 13 | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2567 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.180.123 |
Qualified prediction: If Roy Williams plays: Lions 17 Bears 13 If Roy Williams sits: Bears 13 Lions 10 | ||
Bobj Member Username: Bobj Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.221.183.120 |
I think the Pussy Cats have something to prove with the Bears and will win 21-14 with the defense scoring at least one of the touchdowns. Mike Williams looked good in the last game, but we do need Roy to balance things out and provide a 2 pronged passing attack. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 272 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.67 |
I'm not sure why anyone would pick the Bears over the Lions____even wit' the injuries the Leo's are a better team___ NO Dought the home cooked cornbread will be hot this weekend____ pay-backs-a-mutha'! Get the butta' ready ya'll. Lions 35 Bears 6 super d(motordetroit) | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2568 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.180.123 |
"I'm not sure why anyone would pick the Bears over the Lions" Maybe because they blew them out earlier in the season when the Lions were healthy? | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 56 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.208.120.5 |
Czar, it sure looks like Super_D has had a little too much CORNBREAD!!!! (really just making fun of Super_D's constant washed-up Cornbread statements) | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 642 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Now we will get a chance to see if the depth Millen built on defense will pay off. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 2093 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 199.74.87.131 |
Who wants Garcia to play against the Bears? | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 68.42.76.200 |
i do | ||
Evelethcdenver Member Username: Evelethcdenver Post Number: 23 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 63.225.101.186 |
I was at the game in Cleveland on Sunday, and I must say, Garcia was pretty good. His first few passes were off, but he connected when he needed to, and the recievers came back to the ball and got first downs when they needed it. The Lions defense is pretty solid as well. The Lions should win this Sunday 24-13. GO LIONS!!!!!! | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 320 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.40.113 |
If the game goes into overtime, take the wind, even indoors. From the "Wisdom of Marty" | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1377 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
Super_d's cornbread trays are getting a workout. Granted last week it paid off and the beloved Lions did win. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 276 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.67 |
"Smogboy" the cooooooooooornbread will be still hot come mo'ning! Monday Headlines Lions take control of 1st place beating the Bears 35-6. Garcia throws for 286 yards Kevin Jones runs for 89 yards. Lions 4-3 Bears 3-4 The butter will be dripp'in off the side baby! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Bobj Member Username: Bobj Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.40.89.238 |
What's with the cornbread?? Personally, I like a beer and nacho with my touchdowns. | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 329 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
you guys are all smokin somethin.......who's gonna score all of these touchdowns? The Bears will key on Jones and double Williams when necessary. That leaves Pollard, Glen Martinez and Scotty Vines to make the catches. Lions 17, Bears 13.....with the Defense setting up the offense on both touchdowns. Pollard has one TD and Jones the other. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 817 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
I'm saying 20 because the offense and defense each score one...and Jason kicks two. And yes, I am smoking something. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1387 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
"What's with the cornbread?? Personally, I like a beer and nacho with my touchdowns." Sorry bobj, "cornbread" is a term they've been using on WDFN regarding slightly delusional fans (mainly Lions fans) who in the midst of all reality still believe that their team can win. It's eternal optimism at its worst... and super_d's been in the kitchen with loaves of it. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1388 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
I also think all Lions fans have had a few slices of cornbread over the years at one point or another. And nachos do sound good right now. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 647 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
I had a dream last night. I ran into Jim Brandstatter. I told him that if Jeff Garcia could stay healthy, then the Lions would make the playoffs and beyond. I was making the insinuation that the Lions have a chance to play in the Super Bowl. Jim said "I think that is a very astute observation." | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2588 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 72.49.162.27 |
I think I've had that same dream, but mine ends with Brandstatter eating an entire herd of cattle. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 648 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Damm...I thought my dream was weird (any dream that involves JB would be)...but yours is a little weirder. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 279 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
"....slightly delusional fans...." What chu talk'in bout willis?(mocking arnold,differnt strokes) "Smogboy" ain't nutt'in delusional about Cornbread... you u u cut that out NOW! We got garcia, we got mooch, we got new uni's.....the cornbreads gott'a be cook'in......r r r right??? damm'it "Smogboy" gonna make me go cook an extra batch of hot cornbread before Sunday's game! I'M OUT! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 280 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
'Bobj', see 'Eastside's' post 647__ NOW THAT'S PIPE'N HOT COOOOOOORNBREAD WIT' HOT DRIPPING BUTTER!!!! (lol) super d(motordetroit) | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1392 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
super_d's kitchen is full tilt Cornbread Central. Here's hoping the Bears don't ruin all the hard work. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.131.30 |
It's halftime and the Lions are looking a lot like garbage. Where does our defense go against the Bears? I don't get it. | ||
Aaron Member Username: Aaron Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.241.224.171 |
Nice shot of the Scott Fountain on Fox, but they didn't say anything about it. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 34 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Well, they managed to give away another one. I've always said that any team that has two quarterbacks doesn't even have one. Thank you, Mr. Garcia, for making even Joey look good. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2590 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 72.49.174.18 |
The Lions offensive line is horrid. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1182 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.168.234 |
Different QB same story, I thought Joey was the only problem now maybe lions fans will open their eyes way to many issue on the offensive side of the ball and it all starts with coaching. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9183 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
This was it, this was the breaking point, the Lions season is now officially fuckin' over. At this point, most games I can't even enjoy drinking beer, which makes the games that much harder to swallow. Maybe its time to switch to drugs? | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1394 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
AGH... that cornbread got stuck in my throat today. I'm sure glad there were enough of the Lions faithful to help with a heimlich. Ugh, what do we serve up now?? | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 282 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
It's all good___ we got Minnie-sota next week and we are 1 game out of first in the Central...ah North.... and 2 of the 'BIG GUNS' will be back, ROGERS AND ROY....so drink a cold beer and wash that old cornbread out of yO' throat___ start the oven early this week and whip up a fresh hot hot batch of buttered cornbread....CAUSE WE GONNA PUT A WHUPP'N ON THE VIKE-QUEENS SO BAD, THAT THE BUTTER WILL BE DRIPPING OFF THE SIDE, DOWN THE MIDDLE, AND OVER THE TOP! Shitcago 4-3 Lions 3-4 Vikings 2-5 Packers 1-6 super d (motordetroit) | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 64 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.131.30 |
too bad we lose next week... | ||
Knocturnal Member Username: Knocturnal Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.176.50.206 |
Sport - alcohol is a drug. However, I do recommend using the elicit type. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1398 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
Daunte is done for the season supposedly, but then let's save that the for the Minnesota Vikings vs. Detroit Lions thread that's soon to start up soon. Save the cornbread and move it on over to that kitchen. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2592 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.189.6 |
Lions are two games back since the Bears swept the season series. Brad Johnson is a capable backup for the Vikings, the Lions can't look past anybody. At this point, given the Lions pathetic offensive line and poor play-calling, it doesn't matter who plays QB. | ||
Publicmsu Member Username: Publicmsu Post Number: 541 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.188.33.221 |
There's some awfully optimistic (see delusional) Lions fans on this forum. Consider your money safe when betting against the Lions. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9184 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Ok, the day after the fact I suppose may I jumped the gun a bit. There season really isn't over yet. Considering the top recievers are out, I guess I should hold off on passing judgement. The defense seemed a bit off their game, yet still played solid enough to give the offense a chance at a win. Garcia is making Vines look like a stud! If we can pull out a win against Minnesota and another the following game against the Cardinals, things will be looking good again (in an ugly sort of way). We lose either one and we'll be lucky to maintain a .500 season. While the o-line sucks, I still place most of the blaim on the coaching. I mean come on, Jones was toasting most everybody to the outside corner, why not run more outside plays? Let him get in the open field and do his thing. He has a small fraction of Barry Sanders talent, just a small bit, but a noticable resemblance just the same. Apparently Mooch hasn't picked up on this and chooses to continue to run him up the middle. | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1663 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.209.118.72 |
Jason Hanson is really who lost this game. Make that field goal for which there was no excuse to miss, no overtime, win the game. Garcia was both really good, and really bad yesterday. It's only his second game so he may come around. No suprise if the Lions go into Thanksgiving undefeated from this point. Remember, the Lions get up for the big games. Dallas could be a big game. If that happens, this will put them at 6-4 going into TG. When is the last time the Lions went into the Thanksgiving game with a winning record? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9187 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
1957? | ||
Rugbyman Member Username: Rugbyman Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.41.90.66 |
I'm kind of surprised no one is talking about what I thought was piss poor officiating. The two biggest gaffs that stick out in my mind were the safety in the first half that wasn't called and the fumble that was ruled an incomplete pass (despite the receiver taking three steps with the ball tucked under his arm) that James Hall would have taken in for a touchdown. Granted, had the Lions been playing better, those calls wouldn't have made much difference, but had the safety been called the Bears wouldn't have ended up driving 90 something yards for a touchdown. P.S. Can someone get a note to Mike Williams- the whole city would really appreciate it if you'd make a catch once in a while. A-thankyou. | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 330 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
The Bears front 7 is one of the best i've seen in years. They were flying around and popping Jones, Garcia and the other backs. With the exception of two outside runs (neither over 10 yards), the Bears were unstoppable when running to the outside. Reminded me of the Ravens unit a few years back. I give Garcia a C+ and the offensive line a D-. I thought Garcia played about as well as he could with that line. He moved around the pocket (Harrinton is horrible at this) just enough to make a few key plays. He took several vicious hits and kept popping up. He won't last many games if he keeps taking those hits but I gained a lot of respect for the guy today. When's the last time you saw a QB take pops like that and keep on playing???? he should be on suicide watch. (Message edited by RUSTY on October 31, 2005) | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7590 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.196.245 |
Ball-less coach = ball-less players...both realistically and figuratively. Once again Orton looks like a superstar. Thanks Jauron, nice calls. as for the receivers..."it's all about me." Take a seat and sit the fuck down. High school kids have more heart. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 818 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
AGAIN...Did you hear the comments attributed to Garcia about Mike Williams and our other young receivers during the broadcast ? WHERE IS THE LOCAL MEDIA ?? Do these guys get free cars for kissing so much ass ? LOL....I'm surprised Garcia made it through that game with his head still attached. We have one of the saddest offensive lines I've ever seen....and this town has had pleny of sad ones. Bring back Craig Hertwicke and Tony Semple ! | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3039 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Uhhhh... the last three and a quarter seasons? Harrington got beat up as bad or worse than Garcia and keeps a good positive demeanor, doesn't bitch about his crappy O-ine and punk receivers not finishing routes or working to get open when the play collapses. He get rewarded by being benched. He shuts up and says positive things for the team and keeps on keeping on. The more I see of team, the more I think Joey is the only real professional out there. HArrington is problem number 4 or 5 on the list of offensive woes. Every HArrington basher needs to eat their hat today and realize the REAL problems. Too bad too. Joey could have been a damn good quarterback if he had good and consistent coaching. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2593 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.189.6 |
Looking at the schedule the rest of the way, I see the Lions winning three more games: home against Arizona, home against Minnesota and on the road against the Saints. | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 332 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
BS Skulker.......I haven't seen Joey take that many big hits in his entire playing career in Detroit. Why do you think Garcia's completion percentage is so much higher than Harrington's this year?????? They have the same terrible o-line but Harrington's habits have him staring at the oncoming rush whenever there is slight pressure. He then takes the soft sack, throws a dump off or fires the ball out of bounds to avoid the BIG HIT. All three of these scenerios are SAFE plays which allow him to continue playing. Its sad to say but as bad as the O-line has been the past few years, theres no way Joey should have stayed injury free for 37 straight games. I'm hoping the time off allows Joey to regain his confidence, anticpiate the open man and take the hit to make the big play. He needs to re-learn how to use the pocket, feel the rush and take the extra second (which could result in a big hit) to release the ball. If he's able to do this, he'll start to gain the respect of his teammates, coaches and fans. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9190 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Rusty, Gotta agree with Skulker here, Harrington has been getting his block knocked off for many years now. He didn't break a leg doing so either. No way can you question Harrington's durability. I fear that Garcia is simply a band aid, one that may not last till season's end. If he does, I can't see the team sticking with him anyways. Which that will mean either we draft yet another QB or pick up somebody else's used up junk. Kind of hoping we could get Charlie Batch back here personally. Now there was a guy that took a pounding, played with broken ribs, yet STILL dove head first for a touch down....against the Patriots on thanks giving? Either way, that guy was one durable ass QB. CHARLIE, CHARLIE, CHARLIE | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 333 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
SS, this isn't a question about smarts, its about toughness, respect and play making ability. Garcia is definitely not the savior but his toughness has gained the respect of his teammates. IMO, he knew damn well they needed a miracle play during that last drive. They were a punt and a few plays from losing by a FG. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9192 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Rusty, Then you haven't been watching every Lions game. I watched Joey take a hit a few weeks ago that was so hard that I can't recall seeing a harder hit on a QB. I thought for sure he was down for the count, yet he bounced right back up. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 282 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
I really wouldn't call the season over. It's only halfway done! Yes, we have a rough schedule, but being 3-4 this year looks a lot better than last year. We still have two games against MIN w/o Culpepper (man...) and one more against GB w/o near everybody (somebody grab that ball!). Easily winable IMO, so that makes 7 wins. The Saints aren't really that together, and rightfully so, so that makes 8. Chicago has a rough schedule too, and they're close to being exposed on offense. Garcia did look a little shaky, and ultimately threw that game-losing pick, but remember this: a lot of the Lions aren't on IR, so they're not lost on the year. Roy's coming back this week as is Big Baby and Charles Rogers. The Lions can only improve and will do just that later on in the year. I still have them in the playoffs, and it will be a glorious time in the D. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2595 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.167.185 |
Sorry I don't see it. The Vikings have a decent backup QB and the Lions have never played well in Minnesota or Green Bay. As for the Bears being exposed on offense, the Lions defense made Kyle Orton look pretty good on Sunday. Plus they have a solid running game and a top 5 defense. Charles Rogers return means nothing as he's done nothing in his career except smoke some weed. Williams will help if he can stay healthy, but something tells me he'll hurt something as soon as he returns. (Message edited by czar on November 01, 2005) | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 821 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
The Lions like to play up that they have played the toughest defenses in the league, and that is true. But we have also played the worst offenses. A good quarterback is going to tear us to shreds. Believe it. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 283 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Czar: MIN may have a good backup, but he's barely been getting reps in, plus their supplementary O isn't wowing anyone. The Lions have been making progress throughout the season, and even though offense is still a little lax, it can only get better. Defense will continue to hold its own and will pull 4-5 more wins on the year. If anything, the rest of the season will go like it's been going... W-L-W-L... LOL. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2598 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.167.185 |
"The Lions have been making progress throughout the season" Oh I remember when I was a delusional Lions fan. Now I'm a realist after 33 years of futility. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 651 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
I dont fault Garcia at all. He made plenty of plays on third down to keep drives going, and keep the defense off the field...if Harrington was there he would have got creamed (cant move feet)...and it would have been three and out all day. Chicago's defense was dominant...you have to admit it. In the end, Garcia was trying to make a play...we went down swinging and I will never have a problem with that. Point to JH missed FG in the FQ. You just cant give away points to that defense. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9212 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Ravens, Tampa Bay, Chicago....all could have EASILY been wins if not for a couple of blown calls and a missed field goal. We'd all be feeling a bit different if we were 6-1 instead of 3-4. Blown calls: Tampa Bay: That was a touchdown at the end Ravens: Pass interfence call on Lions D which cost us like 40 yards, the reciever fell down on his own. There was another blown call that cost us a touchdown, though I can't recall what it was. Either way, it should have been a win. Chicago: Hanson just doesn't miss field goals. I don't know what happened, but if he hit that relative chip shot, Lions win in regulation. So if we were 6-1 though, would Joey still be QB? Would we still think they were playing ugly and were off to a terrible start? Aside from the blowout loss to Chicago, Detroit has been in every game to the near end. So why is it I don't feel we're doing that great? | ||
Jtw Member Username: Jtw Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 12.159.32.66 |
SS, the lions beat the ravens....do you mean the panthers? bad breaks have defined the lions (and joey's) season. | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 334 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
Sport, was that you that took that helmut to helmut collison on Sunday? The Lions offense does not have the right pieces to be successful. Look at the previous Super Bowl Winners.........the past 5 have won with good defense and a solid o-line. The Lions QB's are tackling dummies this year. If I were the coaches, I'd come out with two tight ends (mass protection) and force the wideouts to get open. Create some stability on the front line so they QB's can start to feel comfortable. The current game plan and o-line is not working and does not provide ample protection. Opposing teams know this, thus the reason the Lions see so many blitzes. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2599 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.167.185 |
Bad breaks? The Lions have a solid, middle of the pack defense, better than they have had in the past, but one that is still susceptible to giving up a big play. The offense is a disaster. They've scored 11 offensive TDs in 7 games (4 passing, 7 rushing). The line can't open holes in the rushing game or pass protect. Kevin Jones is averaging three yards per carry. LaDanian Tomlinson has thrown one less TD pass than Garcia and Harrington combined. Their pre-season Pro Bowl receiving corps is a joke. The coaching staff can't seem to call a play that involves a downfield pass of more than 7 yards. The Lions play in the weakest division in football, have an easy schedule and they are 3-4 with some of their toughest opponents coming up (Pittsburgh, Dallas, Atlanta and Cincinnati). Unless they kidnap the Denver offensive line and Bobby Layne returns from the great barroom in the sky, the Lions will be lucky to finish 7-9. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3396 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.223 |
If Garcia didn't make that terrible pass in the 4th. Then the Lions will have a chance to be in 1st place. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 284 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
You're speakin like offense wins all the time. Look at Chicago, built on defense. The offense needs to be better to succeed, but we're in this position due to some bad calls as well. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 656 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
"So if we were 6-1 though, would Joey still be QB?" Thats a good question...but I think we would all be sitting up here talking of how we won in SPITE of Harrington's perfomance. How can we really speculate on that question though. Below average production from the QB position would have put us over the top in those games...but Joey was just abysmal. I agree Rusty...that hit looked fineable. It's very close though, I think, because he did not lead with the helmet...very close. The Rick Demulling signing sure was a disaster. If there is one failing of Millen...it is what has happened with the offensive line. I'm sure he knows it. Starting with his first move...not resigning Jeff Hartings, it's been downhill. | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 336 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
Good point eastside but were stuck with this o-line. These guys individually are supposed to be pretty decent but for some reason, they do not play well together. Most of the time when the opponent calls a blitz, stunt or delayed rush, the line turns into swiss cheese. THey always seem to let an man or two come free. I'm not sure if they have a weak link or a coaching problem but anytime the defense throws in a wrinkle, its a mess. | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 585 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.24.18 |
Well seeing as how the current starting QB just lost the game on Sunday, and the most popular Lion is always the backup QB....this should be good news for everybody (why do I feel it won't be?). http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/ columns/story?columnist=pasqua relli_len&id=2210207 If the reports I heard about Joey shredding the first team defense while leading the scout team are true and he does have a new attitude, then things could get very interesting around Allen Park real quick. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 657 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Give me a break...the starting QB did NOT lose that game, it was because of Garcia that we were even in it. After 3+ years...are we supposed to get excited about what Joey does in practice? Thats a joke...after all those wasted Sundays. | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 586 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.24.18 |
Umm....what game were you watching? Garcia was the one who threw the pick that got returned for a TD right? In overtime? Ending the game? Sounds to me like he lost it. I'm not saying get excited about what Joey does in practice...I'm only saying that there is a very real chance he will start on Sunday, and if he plays well (IF) things could get interesting with this team. | ||
Rusty Member Username: Rusty Post Number: 337 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.13.188.17 |
As i mentioned before, the Lions were a few plays from giving up a game winnng FG. Garcia new he had to make a play or the game would probably be over. Chicago would have taken possession around mid field so the odds didn't look good. If it weren't for the bad throw and a drop the Bears would have won the game on the previous drive. As for Joey in practice......c'mon, that line isn't seeing the pressure it sees on Sunday. (Message edited by RUSTY on November 01, 2005) | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 292 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.67 |
Listen Cornbreaders, the Lions d-line is just as good as most teams( yeah I said it ) - The problem is, more and more teams are doing all out blitz packages on 1st and 2nd downs__ scheme's that were traditionally called on third downs. Denver, Chicago, Cinncinati, are popular in over using blitz packages scheme defenses. - With that being said, the Lions coaching staff need to find a way to combat these all out rushes___ other teams have studied the effectiveness of this style toward the Lions, so they will continue to see this. - One way to combat against this is to effectively throw the ball down field(deep)...and if you don't have a 'burner' receiver you are in trouble against this D. (hello Charlie Rogers). -It also helps if the Lions had a speed back that can get to the outside and break the inside containment. -With Rogers back this week, look for the Lions to throw deep against Minnesota early....of course another problem is the Lions don't have a guy that can throw the deep ball. Since the 'west coast offense main pupose is full of ball control pass plays and short run plays we neglected to draft or go after a QB with arm strength. Mooch will gamble and throw deep with Joey this week__ A must must must win! aaaah cornbread.....can't ya smell it? super d(motordetroit) | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2600 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.167.185 |
Losing that game was inevitable once it reached overtime. If the Lions had punted instead of throwing the interception, Bears backup RB Cedric Benson (who entered the game averaging less than three yards per carry and ripped the Lions defense coming off the bench for 35 yards on three carries) would have gotten the Bears into field goal range. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 658 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
You make it sound as if he lost the game...but if you watched the game, you would know that Garcia gave us the best chance to win. If you want to point fingers...look to Jason Hanson's first quarter miss. Garcia drove us into field goal position and Hanson did not do his job. That three points was the game. I will have no problem with Joey starting Sunday...only because Jeff is this teams starter and leader and he is pretty banged up. If they let him rest...this is the game to do it, the Vikings are reeling. We are gonna need Garcia down the stretch if we have any hope of making the playoffs. Let's be honest...we have seen enough of Harrington (in actual games) to know he will never lead us to the playoffs...he aint mentally tough enough | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 37 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
The problem about bragging over a "great defensive team" v. "lack of offense" boils down to one simple question. If you went to a game, what score would you rather have seen happen (regardless of w. or l.) a. 6-3 b. 45-38 | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 587 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.24.18 |
"You make it sound as if he lost the game" Because he did!! Jeez, all the Garcia fans are now starting to sound like the Joey fans, nothing but excuses. Bottom line: the Lions lost the game on Jeff Garcia's INT. Now, you can argue they could have/should have done this or that earlier in the game to win and I'll agree with you. The entire team let that game get away, but you still can't argue with the fact that Garcia lost the game with the pick. If he holds the ball and takes a sack, yes they punt giving the Bears good field position; BUT THE GAME ISN'T OVER. The Bears would still have to make plays to get a FG or TD to win. You never know, the Lions defense could force a turnover or a three-and-out (not likely, but we'll never know now because they never got the chance). | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 659 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
The Lions offensive-line play, as a unit...flat out stinks. The reason we are seeing first and second down blitz packages is because these teams are watching the film and see that the Lions are not making the defense pay for rushing five and six. We did not see as much blitzing Sunday because Chicago saw the Cleveland film...and how Garcia burned the Browns blitz, most notable the third down, 50+ yard pass to Mike Williams. Much of the pressure from the Bears D-line came from 4 man rushes...a dominant 4 man front against a pourous offensive line. Of course they showed a lot of bliz...but would fall into coverage at the snap. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 660 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Jeff Garcia did not lose that game...bottom line, end of story. | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 588 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.13.13 |
"Jeff Garcia did not lose that game...bottom line, end of story" Ok then, tell me: when was the game over? When did the Lions lose that game? | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 661 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
"Ok then, tell me: when was the game over? When did the Lions lose that game?" ...you answered your own question, the Lions lost the game. "Jeez, all the Garcia fans are now starting to sound like the Joey fans, nothing but excuses." No, we bare no fucking resemblence to the Joey sect. ...keep in mind that the Garcia bandwagon/contingent is 1-1 with one of those wins coming on the road (where we had not tasted victory for one year that week) with a patchwork core of wideouts, and Garcia had not played a meaningful game in a year and a half. This guy has shown more guts in two games than that other guy has in 30+ NFL starts over 3+ years. Mr. Marcnbyr sir, you need to wake up before you come to this forum writing irresponsible things. P.S. Yea, it's been one fucking year since we won on the road | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 589 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.13.13 |
No, I did not answer my own question. I didn't ask who lost the game, I asked WHEN did they lose the game. And the answer to that question is they lost when Jeff Garcia threw a pick that was returned for a TD in overtime. That is something that you refuse to acknowledge. You can talk all you want about the pathetic state of the team both this year and over the last 5 and will get no argument from me whatsoever. I will in fact agree with you. But I am not talking about this year, the last 5 or anything else except Sunday's game. Anything else that you keep bringing up is irrelevant to this discussion. And bringing up the porous offensive line, patchwork recieving corps is exactly what the Joey supporters do. What's next, lack of running game? Poor play calling? | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 663 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
"And bringing up the porous offensive line, patchwork recieving corps is exactly what the Joey supporters do." Garcia will find a way to win despite these problems...and on the road. For Harrington, these were excuses why he could not win. As far as your crap argument that Garcia lost the game...STFU. | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 594 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.13.13 |
The fact that you continue to ignore and avoid the question I asked you tells me that you know I'm right and don't want to admit it. I don't care if you are a Garcia fan, I'm not trying to get on you for that. All I'm saying is don't be so blind that you can't acknowledge the obvious. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 665 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
The Lions lost when Garcia threw the interception in overtime...but Jeff Garcia did not lose that game. If you think he did...you dont know football. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2601 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.204.99 |
Alright, enough with the arguing over which part of the Lion team is the worst. Let's start the Minnesota prediction thread. Can we all agree that the Lions suck? (Message edited by czar on November 02, 2005) | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 291 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Workin on it now. And the special teams needs to improve. LOL |
