  Knocturnal Member Username: Knocturnal Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.176.50.206 |
I'm hoping the birds take this game by two touchdowns and the leos go winless the rest of the year. | ||
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289 Post Number: 839 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223 |
... If you cant see a difference in the Lions offence between garcia and harington... your retarded... | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 825 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
...and there goes Boldin, screaming down the sidelines past R.W. McQuarters. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1223 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.245 |
Bongman I will bet you a 6 pack that Boldin won't catch a pass. (Message edited by merchantgander on November 08, 2005) | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7622 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.156.95.230 |
I shutter to think...considering the Cards have a record that is similar to Detroit thorughout the last 4 years (not ot mention the new Texans) How far we have fallen... | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1678 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.209.118.72 |
I'd rather watch grass grow. Something we can still do here in Georgia. Whatever.. i'll still watch them. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 304 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
I'm back! Glad to see people were so eager to get started on this game. LOL No long drawn-out analysis here (after all, Pistons and Red Wings are on fire), so I'll just lay it on like this. Detroit has no fire lit underneath them, but Arizona is just as bad. DET 10 ARZ 24 I'd be surprised if anyone watches this game though. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2614 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 72.49.173.140 |
Cardinals 27 Lions 10 Televising this game is a crime against humanity. (Waiting for the cornbread prediction of Lions 45 Cardinals 10, you know, the Lions have the most talent in the league, this is the week they break out, etc.) | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 324 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
We will be 4-5 after this week__ no cornbread , just some good home cook'in ....This is a no brainer. Leo's 27 Arizona 6 super d(motordetroit) | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9363 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
The lions will outright kill the Cardinals, Joey will have his best game of the season, instilling hope once again with fans. Next week, he will fall flat on his face and be back to the old Joey that we all know. Garcia really wasn't all that much better, as the QB isn't the root of the problem right now. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7697 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.71.65.110 |
I believe that Arizona is giong to win by 3. 13-10 | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 395 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 198.109.44.2 |
Nooooooo. Goat Lions over Zona 9-3 It won't be pretty, but it will be pretty ugly..just watch and see!! | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 677 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
I dont care how good Harrington has looked today...when Garcia is healthy, I want Joey out of there. | ||
Mpow Member Username: Mpow Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 201.129.48.232 |
yeah! joey had a satori and will be better. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7701 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.92.102.164 |
Glad I was wrong.... Harrington looked quite good today, other than a few mistakes his completion rating would have been 26/31. Not too bad. But folks remember, this is the Cardinals. I would like to see him use more of his receivers...where was Rogers?? Overall good game, but I Detroit sure does show a weakness with their CB's out. It is quite incredible that we always seem to have trouble with our CBs. Maybe the practises should be tougher? The only problem I saw is that McQuarters is absolutely terrible! He can't run, he sure as heck can't tackle. Terrible would be to good a word to describe him. Glad to see a W in this game. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1416 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
It's games like this that I am sooooo glad I'm not a Cardinals fan. Just when we think it's bad here in the D, how do you think those folks out there must feel? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9364 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Joey looked unbelievable! We now have a renewed hope of going to the super bowl! (hehe) | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2622 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 66.117.227.8 |
A healthy Roy Williams makes a big difference. Charles Rogers: 1 catch for 4 yards. That guy's a joke. | ||
Evelethcdenver Member Username: Evelethcdenver Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 63.225.101.186 |
For the first time ever, starting Joey in my fantasy football league paid off!!! | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 325 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
Do I's smell sum' cornbread? super d(motordetroit) | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 637 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
"Charles Rogers: 1 catch for 4 yards. That guy's a joke." how many times was it thrown his way? nothing wrong with using him as a decoy | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 107 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.160.109 |
mmm a decoy from what? broken collarbones and 4 yds? | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.220.233.46 |
can the lions go 8-8 that is the question | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 56 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.114.37 |
Week 11: at Dallas could be a W Week 12: Atlanta why not? Pack just beat'em Week 13: Minnesota should be a W Week 14: at Green Bay Can do a W Week 15: Cincinnati Tuff one L Week 16: at New Orleans Should be a W Week 17: At Pittsburgh Ouch L So I'll say 5-2 for the rest of the season, giving them a shot at a playoff spot if Chicago takes gas. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1417 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
Big If on Chicago. They've been playing pretty well as of late. Did anyone see what that swirling wind in Chicago did? That's got to be one of the wackiest plays I've seen in recent memory. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2623 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 216.196.134.182 |
Don't let one win against Arizona fool you, I still don't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the way. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7703 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.92.100.153 |
I agree. This WAS the Cardinals and they STILL only won by 8. Don't forget that Arizona's starting defensive line was completely decimated. 2 wins at the most... | ||
Jenay Member Username: Jenay Post Number: 98 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.41.224.19 |
This was the first Lions game that I've been to at Ford Field. I had a blast. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9369 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
ROY...ROY! ROY! ROY! | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3112 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Lets break it down with Skulkers key points here... 1 - The Cards are a terrible team with a very spotty D-line. We saw that when the O line was able open holes, Jones and Pinner were able to get some very nice pickups. This forced the Cards into repsecting the run and giving Joey some time to complete passes. I am still concerned that Jones doesn't seem to have the spped to get to the corner and turn it up. 2 - The Cards are a terrible team with a very spotty D-line. They were not able to pressure Joey much at all. This resulted in a three TD, no INT, 120.7 QB rating game. With four balls on the numbers dropped by receivers, Joey should have had a 70% completion rate but wound up closer to 64%. The first two quarters Joey was predictable in not checking routes but was making some good connections. He wasn't checking through all his routes well and the CBs were doing a good job of anticpating where the ball was going. By the second half, Joey looked much calmer and cooler and was even beginning to sell a couple fakes. In particular on Roy's 3rd TD, Joey tracked right and pump faked right and them suddenly twisted left and nailed Roy in the end - zone. I was a little dissapointed that there were a couple plays he left Rogers open and went for the high sideline pass. He showed much more poise when he had protection but still threw a couple stinkers. Far less stinkers than usual though and what heartened me is that when he realized that for the first game in three years he actually had time, he began to check routes, sell fakes and and continue scoring TDs. Bringing in Garcia now when he has established a rythym is a deadly mistake. If our O-line can't handle Dallas, its same old same old again. 3 - Mooch's play calling was again unimaginative. Going for it on fourth and one was good, but only because the O-line fiannly had a patsy to push around. 4 - The CBs for Detroit were very porous and let too many 20-35 yarders go. They seemed to be in a prevent set the entire second half. The first drive in the second half by 'Zona was just embarrassing for the D. Maybe they thought this was their game to take it easy and not get hurt to prepare for Dallas. 5 - No sacks on Warner. The 'Zona O line is not that good. As we have seen in the past, some penetration on the run for stops at or behind the line, but no real pass rush. That could be due to the fact that there was soft coverage and Warner was not forced to hang on to the ball too long. I still think we need an explosive tackle like A.J. Hawk or Blalock out of Texas. (Message edited by skulker on November 14, 2005) | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1270 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.245 |
Thank you Skulker I cannot wait for next weeks breakdown.  | ||
Caseyc Member Username: Caseyc Post Number: 543 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 206.18.111.5 |
caught the end of the game....enough time to watch Mooch's highly creative sit-on-the-ball play calling (pinner up the middle, bryson left, pinner right) which racked up a grant total of exactly 1 whole yard and then gave it back to the 350+ yard passer with a minute+ on the clock. Seemed a little conservative when considering how the defense (and, in particular, the secondary) had looked throughout the course of the game. Ah but a win cures all, now doesn't it? even against the Cardinals. Super Bowl here we come! | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 309 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Smoke and mirrors, although I'm glad they could get something together. Joey still looked lost, especially when chased out of the pocket, and Roy Williams is still his first and ONLY receiver. Charles Rogers on the weak side against a sub-par defense should get more than one catch. Kevin Jones still looks like he's holding something back. Chicago has a better looking schedule later on, and look to lock it up in the North, unless Minnesota pulls off some "10th wonder of the world" miracle. Dallas, Atlanta and Pittsburgh (can anybody say CHARLIE BATCH) is a wash, and division games aren't even a lock with this team. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3114 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
I disagree about Harrington to Williams being a one trick pony. Williams had 7 receptions, Pollard had 4 and dropped two easy ones (shoulda had 6)... Vines, Edwards, Rogers, Bryson, Jones and Schlesinger combined for another ten with four inexcusable drops and a couple more that could have been stretched for. That said, Williams stepped up and did his job, so yeah, he's going to be your go to guy. Why NOT throw to him as your number 1 receiver right now? If he is willing to go get the ball, give him the damn ball. The number of targets Joey threw to yesterday was actaully encouraging. BTW Jones averaged 5.7 yards a carry. Not shabby. Again, this was all against a Lionsesque team, so no great shakes, but it does show what is possible with an O-line that can win more than 30% of the plays. (Message edited by skulker on November 14, 2005) | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 604 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.13.13 |
It was a win, but one thing still made me shake my head: Kevin Jones had 14 carries for 81 yards. Only 14 carries? Against the Cardinals?!?! Shawn Bryson and Artose Pinner had seven each! Jones is your #1 back, probably the best player on your offense, and against one of the absolute worst teams in the league, you only give him 14 touches? Absolutely pathetic, Mooch really has no idea what he is doing out there. Oh, and about Rogers, he only had 1 catch because he was only on the field for about 20% of the offensive plays. They had Casey Fitzsimmons linning up as a wideout more than C-Rog. Another brilliant coaching decision... | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2624 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.207.236 |
Considering Rogers has done nothing in his career, I'd keep him on the sidelines as well. Give Scotty Vines more reps and play Mike Williams when he gets healthy. Unless you're an MSU fan, most people see Rogers for the bust he is. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 109 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.208.36.61 |
Good take on Harrington's future http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/ columns/story?columnist=pasqua relli_len&id=2223524 | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 678 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
No reason for hope...Joey had the flu yesterday. I'm telling you guys, Joey will never lead any team to the playoffs. Once again, every time Joey threw a touchdown...his teammates won't touch him. He might get a handshake on the sideline...even the ESPN people noted this. Anybody care to speculate the reason for this? I did not think so. Ignore it if you want, but it is a huge issue in the locker room. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9375 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
The Lions biggest enemy right now continues to be Mooch. With every passing week I believe a little bit more that it is Mariucci's lack of ability to develop him that has led to the Lions current situation. The defense for the most part has played well enough to win almost every game aside from the first Chicago game. Whenever they have made mistakes its been because they are exhausted from being on the field way to long due to the offenses fuck ups. The offense on the other hand, I think the line SERIOUSLY needs some work, but the rest of the team has the needed talent. Millen has brought together a great group of talent, the coach simply has no idea how to utilize it. How else can you excuse the fact that after Jones was tearing it up yesterday that he gets yanked and Pinner and Bryson get most carries the second half. Jones ended the day with 14 carries and around 81 yards. That is simply inexcusable to fuckin' pull the guy! I don't care if Bryson and Pinner both had their good plays, you need to develop a core group that is used to working with one another, not this musical running backs bullshit. While some may argue that this was only Arizona and hardly a tough team. Maybe so, but in the past many of us have been critical of Joey's accuracy. Yesterday there were MANY passes that he threw in the only area he could have. Off by just a touch and he would have had several interceptions yesterday. At seasons end I say you fire Mariucci unless he can some how miraculously turn this sinking ship, which I don't see happening. I think we'll end up 8-8 or so at best. As I said, aside from the offensive line, I think Millen has made the best decisions he could make going on speculation of how good the talent was that he has aquired. I can only hope that a new coach would be able to salvage Harrington's career, as Garcia is NOT the answer. What would Garcia get us? He would buy us a couple years time maybe, probably not enough to get us to a super bowl, then we would be right back to square one looking for a quarter back again. I say you keep Joey as the starter from here on out, if he has a bad game, you put Garcia in. Its no different than any other team, most all QB's who are good have bad games now and then and get yanked. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3118 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Sport: I agree with the Mooch call. A bigger issue than the QB issue and one that needs to be adressed first.
Yeah, their all afraid that if they touch him he will come on to them in the shower. Whether he is gay or not does not matter, the rumor is out there. If he got caught with a super model sucking his dick while he was wathcing the entire TopCats squad in a lesbian romp, the rumors would still be there and in a homophobic sport, that does not bode well. I still stand by my 5-11 prediciton. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2625 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.207.236 |
If you fire Mariucci (and I wouldn't be opposed to that) you have to fire Millen since Mariucci was his second head coaching choice who hasn't panned out. Millen is also responsible for the woeful offensive line as well as some failed players that are no longer here (remember his anointed receiving corps of Hakim and Schroeder?). The buck stops with the GM since you can't fire the owners, which is ultimately the real source of the problem. That said, you have to let Harrington start the rest of the year to see if he has any promise left whatsoever. This team will not make the playoffs no matter who is at QB. | ||
Marcnbyr Member Username: Marcnbyr Post Number: 605 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.13.13 |
"Considering Rogers has done nothing in his career, I'd keep him on the sidelines as well. Give Scotty Vines more reps and play Mike Williams when he gets healthy. Unless you're an MSU fan, most people see Rogers for the bust he is." I'm not disagreeing Czar, my point was more that I would rather see Rogers, a WR (no matter how much of a bust he is) out there running routes before Casey Fitzsimmons, a backup, blocking only TE. He was literally lining up outside, as a reciever and not a tight end. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7709 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.92.100.153 |
Jones didn't carry the ball as much because of his bruised shoulder. Can anyone tell me why we still have Schlesinger? He couldn't block were crap yesterday and the one ball thrown to hiim he dropped. As for Millen? Sorry Sport, but the O-line is all Millen and that line is horrible even on a good day. Raiola has to go. Backus? What a piece of garbage! As for Rogers, I would definitely keep him in and Vines. Mike Williams needs to step up when he returns. Harrington may not have looked fantastic, but he still looked remarkably better when he had time to throw. I do like that Harrington seemed to change his style of play. More running, getting out of the pocket to throw the ball (look out for the line of scrimmage Joey), quick thinking by using the shuttle pass... Mooch? Well as pointed out by CaseyC in the 4th quarter; Pretty daring move on his part. Still the same old unimaginative plays. How do you run up the middle when your O-line is so weak? Luckily the Cards D-line was worse. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9377 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Give me a fuckin' break! Did they have to fire Joe Dumars after he fired Rick Carlisle? Did they have to fire him after he fired Larry Brown? Both of these were not only his picks for the position at one time, but they were both VERY successful coaches as well. If Millen realizes that he made a mistake, it is his duty to correct that mistake. Just as Joe Dumars did. Hell, he even fired Larry Brown after he got a team to the finals two years straight, once again proving that this guy is a genius, as Skip Saunders looks even better than Larry did during his stint here. Of course, that all may be void come post season, only time will tell. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2626 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.207.236 |
Funny, I thought this was a Lions thread. Sport has some sort of man-love for Millen. LOL | ||
Caseyc Member Username: Caseyc Post Number: 545 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 206.18.111.5 |
um.....anyone hear this one from SI.com?[scratching head...]: "The status of Lions coach Steve Mariucci is seriously in doubt, with former Browns failure Butch Davis strongly rumored as a replacement. -- New York Post" | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7719 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.92.100.153 |
Haven't heard of it but those things are not out there for nothing... I would rather Dennis Green. Maybe the Cards will give him up?? | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2630 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 72.49.88.25 |
The Butch Davis rumor makes sense as it fits Millen's modus operandi of making another bad personnel decision. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 112 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.208.116.45 |
 i just like this photo |
