  Dday Member Username: Dday Post Number: 762 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.209.165.170 |
After seeing that moonball throw and Garcia's rocket arm I'm not so sure this is a good thing http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/s tory/5122868 (Message edited by D-Day on November 30, 2005) | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2677 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.176.146 |
A curious decision. Since neither Harrington nor Garcia will probably be here next year, I say put in Orlovsky and see what he can do. The season's over anyway. Start the auditions for next year's roster. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3205 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
JEEEEZUZ FRICKING CRIPES!!!!!! Why on gods green earth is he starting Garcia over Harrington? Garcia has one year left in him at best. Harrington at least has a future, if not here, then somewhere else..... Even if you don't like Joey and don't think you can do anything with him, let him air the ball out and see if you can get trade value out of him. Let him audition as trade bait. This decision makes NO sense what so ever. Fuck a duck, Chuck, Jauron is falling flat on his face before he has even coached a game. That is just sickening. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 150 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.179.211 |
this decision is extremely curious. Part of me thinks Harrington will still start Sunday and this is just some cheap strategy to throw Minnesota's prep off a little bit; maybe Jauron has something up his sleeve? | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2678 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.176.146 |
Uh, Skulker, weren't you the one who said Kircus was going to come back and haunt the Lions on another NFL team? Instead, no one wanted him and he's on their practice squad. I highly doubt Harrington will ever be more than a #2 QB in the NFL, either on the Lions or elsewhere. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1353 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.245 |
This is exactly what the lions need. Mooch allowed all the players blame Joey so they need to learn that this team is going to suck no matter who starts. Until every players works hard, is professional and is accountable for their own play this team will continue to suck ass. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 695 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Are you kidding me? F*** Harrington, he will be out of the football in two years...the only difference between him and Tim Couch (1999 #1 overall pick...now out of football) is that Joey TALKS a better game. Tim Couch stats http://www.nfl.com/players/pla yerpage/133260 | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 696 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
...and Harrington stats http://www.nfl.com/players/pla yerpage/302199 | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3206 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Interestingly, Tim Couch's last year of numbers for the bumbling Browns on par with Garcias with the Lions this year and on par with Garcias for with the Bowns last year. So again, please freaking tell me how having a washed up Garcia start is better than allowing Joey the chance to air out and improve his stock as trade bait? What, do you really think Garcia can get us into the playoffs by winning out the rest of the season? Did you watch the last game? Did you see that when we finally had an apples to apples comparison (i.e. same opponent, same injured players in the same game etc) if was finally exposed that the all hero, all stud Garcia couldn't do fucking shit either? So....if Garcia is a great quarterback and Joey matched his performance in the same game does that make Joey a great QB too? Or does Garcia suck as well? If Garcia sucks as well, let Joey play out and try to audition for other teams.... | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2679 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.176.146 |
The NFL scouts and coaching staffs have already seen what Harrington can or can't do. My guess is the Lions have decided not to keep Harrington and want to see if it's worth keeping Garcia around next year. If Garcia shows something, they can draft a QB, sit him behind Garica next year and have him take over in year two similar to what Marvin Lewis did with Carson Palmer in Cincinnati. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 697 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
There is no "audition". He has no trade value because teams know Detroit intends to cut bait and will release him anyway. Around the league, the book on Harrington has been written over the past 3 years. JH had a starting job handed to him (as is the norm for developing top tier talent.) His stock as a starter in this league has been reduced to "junk" status. Another team will give him an invite to camp...but he will never be "handed" any job in the NFL ever again. Any roster he makes...he will have to earn a spot. This is how the end comes for many a once promising NFL QB. The NFL graveyard of former top QB prospects is strewn with examples. Tim Couch is just one of them, maybe a more glaring example being that he was drafted #1 overall. Did you notice how Tim Couch has a higher career completion percentage and QB rating than Blowey? This is this first season within a questionable development that he has taken steps backward...for a young QB that has had everything handed to him (everything being a starting job in the "what have you done for me lately" NFL...his 4th season...he is done. ...C'mon, have we not see enough? I know I have. Garcia gives us the best chance to win...and it should now be about winning only. ...I would not be suprised if players went to Jauron and said they would not play for Harrington. Its over...and I dont want to see "junk" taking anymore snaps for the Lions. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7829 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.209.137 |
According to Millen he wanted to develop the young talent on this team. So the org. goes with a geezer! This certainly makes sense. Considering the stupid decisions and ideas that have come out of this "franchise", this clueless idea fits in perfectly! If I recall, when Olson was doing the play calls on two games last year, Harrington threw for over 300 yards BOTH games and Jones ran for over 100yds. Give the guy the chance to throw, and I bet you he will. It seems that with Garcia starting the Lions have indicated that Harrington will NOT be here next year. Too bad because I bet Harrington will do much better on another team. Mark my words. So if you don't want to see "junk" then why is Garcia starting? Would they not be considered equals and therefore the true starter (Harrington) should start the game. I think you may be right though. Mooch let the team sink their fangs into Joey and now they do not believe in him anymore. So it's back to the drawing board again............ Way to go Lions! No wonder the team is a laughing stock. (Message edited by GOAT on November 30, 2005) (Message edited by GOAT on November 30, 2005) | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 698 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
"Give the guy the chance to throw, and I bet you he will." ...I will give the guy three plus years, I think thats enough of a "chance" "Chances" in the NFL are a luxury that few players ever experience...if the Lions are a laughing stock, it's because Harrington has had too many. Next season he will be looking for a roster spot anywhere. Starting? No way, aint gonna happen. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7833 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.209.137 |
When you have an O-line that is as crappy as the Lions, Manning wouldn't be able to throw the damn ball! Don't forget an offensive scheme that was played 8-9 years ago, no wonder the boy failed. So once again we are going to "rebuild" the Lions? Schitt, the Lions have never had to be rebuilt...they wree never built up in the first place. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 859 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Let's examine these three years Harrington has had here. Year # 1 - Rookie starting in the NFL. A wash for everyone in NFL history except for Marino & Roethlisburger (sp) Year # 2 - A starting receiving corps of injured cast-offs. By the end of the year, Reggie Swinton is our best target. Year # 3 - An offensive line that blows major ass. A decimated receiving corps. An outdated system installed by the same guy who just got fired because he had problems developing anybody at any position. I have no stake in Joey's career. After Chuck Long and Andre Ware, am I supposed to be surprised that Joey may not have the talent ? My point is that considering the last three years, I don't know how anyone could make any kind of judgement concerning Joey's future. There are just as many quarterbacks that took time to develop into something. Joey has proven he's durable. You don't start thirty some games in a row in the NFL by being a puss. Trent Dilfer went to a Super Bowl and is still starting in this league. Are you telling me Joey doesn't have as much talent as Trent Dilfer ? This team has tons more problems than Joey Harrington. I think he's done here, but if your think his career is over, you're dreaming. I hope the kid comes back and haunts us for 10 years. There's poison in the Lion's locker room. Dre Bly a winner ?...nice try. | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 90 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 147.240.236.8 |
I don't believe Joey will ever haunt the Lions. None of the Lions QBs ever come back to haunt them. The haunting part is knowing the Lions have wasted so many draft picks on these guys. The entire 2002 draft was a bust outside of Julius Peppers and Dwight Freeney, so just let Joey go and move on. Before that draft I was actually hoping that the Lions would draft for defense and let Mike McMahon get his chance. Do any of you think our record would be any worse if McMahon was the QB for these 4 years? It can't get much worse than this. Atleast, if McMahon played bad in '02, we could have gotten one of the QBs from the 2003 draft class( which is much better i.e. Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich) Dre Bly is a playmaker. I definitely see Bly making plays on the field, even with his cast he almost had 2 picks. Joey, not a playmaker at all. | ||
Spitcoff Member Username: Spitcoff Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 141.217.44.103 |
I really dont think Joey is a bust..... Give him an o-line and an offense that he is comfertable in and he could shine. Obviously the west coast O is not the right fit but look at what he did in the run and gun at Oregon | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2682 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.209.79 |
It's just a matter of time before football fans across the land will watch Joey Harrington throw a Super Bowl winning pass to David Kircus. LOL | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 92 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 147.240.236.8 |
We can look at what all the Lions recent high draft picks did in their college days and see great production. The common thing for all is that none of them played in anything like the West Coast offense. LOL @ Czar, I can't even make that happen on Madden video games. | ||
Lurker Member Username: Lurker Post Number: 1507 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198 |
Did you not see Rodney Peete and his Eagles trounce Detroit in the 1995 playoffs? | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2684 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.209.79 |
That had more to do with Scott Mitchell's imploding than Peete's quarterbacking skills. | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 93 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 147.240.236.8 |
That really happened, I thought that was just a nightmare!! LOL, I forgot that. Overall, that was just one game (a horrible game it was), none of the ex-Lions QBs have gone on to have Pro Bowl careers. Its not like trading John Smoltz. | ||
Dday Member Username: Dday Post Number: 765 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.209.165.170 |
Mike Williams did. Pete Carroll is definitely a West Coast guy. | ||
Dday Member Username: Dday Post Number: 766 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.209.165.170 |
Second that. The Bengals fans down here have mercy on me because the Lions actually thought he could play. Happy feet, happy feet, happy feet.....MITCHELL IS PICKED OFF!!! | ||
Ohudson Member Username: Ohudson Post Number: 95 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 147.240.236.8 |
Damn, USC runs a West Coast offense? What happened, it looks a whole lot different than Mooch's version. And Marty's too. I bet Mike Williams is saying it ain't the same thing. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9501 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
I believe Kramer beat up on us a few times as well. This decision is about as bi-curious as Joey himself. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 865 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Leving Joey out of the picture for a second....anyone who has watched football for any length of time can immediately diagnose that Mr. Garcia's arm is gone...kaput....finis'....rubb er. I thought I was watching a 50 year old Gary Danielson out there yesterday. ENOUGH !! | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1368 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.245 |
Eastside do you still believe that Jeff Garcia gives the Lions the best chane to win. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2691 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Put in Orlovsky for the rest of the way. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 706 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
Garcia was atrocious...plain and simple. He still gives us the best chance to win though. He has only started 3 games...he led the team to its first road win in a year at Cleveland. Chicago has the most dominant defense in the NFC...and Garcia got that game to overtime...and yesterday he stunk up the joint. Harrington has blow countless Sundays...has in fact blow seasons. I never want to see him take another snap for the Detroit Lions. When I see him on the sidelines it pisses me off, I want him gone yesterday. Jauron knows he needs to win NOW....do you think he is going to put his future in Detroit in Harringtons hands? His good friend Mooch did that. I also think he won't put his 4 game audition in the hands of a rookie. If you look at it from Jauron's perspective...the situation makes sense. That being said...lets see how Garcia does at Green Bay. It's my opinion that in the very least, Jauron should move Orlovsky to the #2 and give JH Scott Mitchell status. It's hard to believe Orlovsky could have done any worse than Garcia yesterday, but lets just wait and see what happens at Green Bay. No matter what though...I would like to see Orlovsky get at least one start. He's the only QB who will be returning next year and lets see what we got. That may be best for the team going forward...to see what we got, but not the best for Jauron's job security (as if he has any). If Garcia blows again...he may feel pressure to do something. I'm curious to see how things shake out. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 378 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
Please, stop with the "give Orlovsky a chance" stuff. This guy is a bum. Ride the season out with Joey and Garcia__ sad as it might seem, I think Garcia gives the Lions the best chance to win. Granted 'Blue-skies' is the better of the two, but Joey has lost all faith with the players and coaches. Joey deserves a chance some where else__ it's time to move on___ the positive side is that we do have some above talent on offense___ the problem is bringing the right coaches and personel in to motivate and play with them. can't wait to next season! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2695 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
It doesn't matter who gives them the best chance to win, the season is over. Neither Harrington nor Garcia will be back next season so see what Orlovsky can do. He won't win either, but it will help them determine whether or not they need to draft another QB or sign a veteran. And, judging by your previous posts Super D ("ain't no way we gonna lose", "Lions on a roll", "Joey goes wild! Lions win 38-14", "I'm not sure why anyone would pick the Bears over the Lions____even wit' the injuries the Leo's are a better team"), I don't think we can declare Orlovsky a bum yet. Stick to the cornbread. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 707 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
LMAO...If Blowy were the "better of the two", then that locker room would not have revolted and refused to play for him. JH deserves nothing and will be given nothing. I think he will have an opportunity to EARN a roster spot in another city. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 708 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
He speaks well when its coming from his ass. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2696 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
After my last post, I realized, what talented veteran QB, or any other players for that matter, would sign with this franchise right now? It could be a brutal off-season as well. | ||
Brian_no_5 Member Username: Brian_no_5 Post Number: 303 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 167.219.0.143 |
For those of you saying, "Wait until next year," and anxiously awaiting the ticket order forms in the mail, I have to ask... why do you keep buying tickets??? The only reason I can think of is that the other circus (Barnum and Bailey's) is not in town and you have a hankering for some clowns and the possibility of seeing someone fall on their face without a safety net. Other than the desire to witness disaster, I see no reason to pay more than $10 to see the Lions play anyone. I don’t think they will win again this season. I don’t think they will win with Harrington, Garcia, Orlovsky, or anyone else who takes the snaps. I don’t think they’ll win if Charles Rogers gets off crack and decides he’s a professional athlete. Call me a traitor if you will, but I cannot bring myself to root for the Lions. I’ll cheer for the Tigers, but no one should be on their feet applauding a train wreck. The Lions would lose even if they were the Colts. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 867 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Just like it took the media until July to tell us that Woody was too fat to pull to the left, the real story about Joey may not be on the field. We'll hear all about the bloody details sometime during the Summer after Charles Rogers, Garcia, and Joey are long gone. There's poison in that locker room. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2697 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Move the Lions to Los Angeles. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2021 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
So we will then be the largest city in the nation with out an proffessional football team eh czar? | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2698 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
No, then the NFL gives Detroit an expansion franchise with a new owner, new GM, new roster of players, new coach. This would be different than what happened in Cleveland as most people in Detroit would not want to keep any of the Lions history. I'm half-joking but it is appealing... | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2022 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
lol Czar, yeah I actually thought what if the NFL granted a new franchise to Detroit... | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2699 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Let's put it this way, Los Angeles deserves the Lions, Detroit deserves better. L.A. sports fans are already used to leaving before the games end. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 379 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
"Czar" The Lions have puzzled a lot of people, including fans, players and football analysis. So I don't think (early) I was way-off wit' my predictions. Granted I'm a hugh fan, but I'm also realistic. At this point, there mental attitudes are at the lowest point__ so it will be extremely tuff to win another game. But you can't deny that the Lions have above average young talent---they just need a great mind to bring it out. super d(motordetroit) (Message edited by super_d on December 05, 2005) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2023 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
I'd actually agree with that Super. With all the changes that have been going on within the organization over the last few years(and there has been a few talented players to come and some that left due to front office mis management*Barry Sanders comes to mind in that respect*) and they have still spawned no positive results, the next place to begin looking is at the positions where alot of the decisions are made. Yanno? If the head of a company keeps making changes to all of his personall yet doesn;t change his policies nor the way he runs things, then no matter how much you shake that organization up if you keep running it in that same fukked up way, you will continue to get fukked up results... Millen Must Go! Management 101 | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2700 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
"But you can't deny that the Lions have above average young talent" Yes I can. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 380 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
....And stop with the,"selling the team" stuff too__ I have come to love the honolulu blue and silver and the tradition, history and all that stands for the Detroit Lions. There is only one team I want to see win/ and win a super bowl and that is the "Original" Detroit Lions organization!!!!! anything else would be a substitute and wouldn't feel tha' same. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 709 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
...from cornbread to "spin city" | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2701 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
I thought like that when I was in 6th grade, now I know better. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2025 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
^^^ Super... I would ,much rather win with a team that has it's roots historically embedded in the city as opposed to a brand new franchise that has to MAKE a history... | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2702 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Remember, they were the Portsmouth Spartans first. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2026 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Yeah that's true but they do have at lease 60 years of history here in the D though... | ||
Aaron Member Username: Aaron Post Number: 90 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.241.224.171 |
Well, over 70, actually. The Lions moved to Detroit in 1933. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 381 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
google is god fo' some people! Portsmouth Spartans. super d(motordetroit) (Message edited by super_d on December 05, 2005) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2027 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Oh ok so it was longer than i thought (hence the term 'at least'  ) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2028 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
I stil say they needt o bring Wayne Fontes back...for real... How many other coaches have taken the Lions to the playoffs four times in the same decade? | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 384 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
'Detroit_stylin' I'm wit' ya on that! As long as Barry comes back(smile)__ Remember tha' G-r-o-w fan's(Get rid of Wayne fans). They ran the 'big buck' and the Great Lakes offense right out of town. I bet they wish they had the 'big buck' right now. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2031 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
lol Yanno? @ Super... | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 869 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Um...I hate to remind everyone, but all Wayne Fontes ever did was waste the career of one of the greatest running backs to ever play the game. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 390 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
'Bongman' I quess your right???? Barry only rates behind guys like Jim Brown and Walter Payton....aahh....yeah I'd say that's wasted__ ARE YOU SERIOUS! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 871 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Damn serious. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2035 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Barry is still the owner of SEVERAL records that remain to be broken... Even Emmit Smith is all his over glorified glory admitted that Barry was the best back in ther game... I fail to see how Wayne Fontes wasted his career when Barry was so instrumental in the majority of the Lions wins. In fact, didn't the Lions RUSH alot more than they threw then? | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2709 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.194.53 |
I seem to recall that Barry liked Wayne and disliked Bobby Ross. | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 711 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.57 |
The Run-and-Shoot was pass first. The offense was never built around the most explosive offensive player of our time. I'd call that a waste...Barry could have been so much more. Mouse Davis once called Barry "lazy" | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 872 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
"I fail to see how Wayne Fontes wasted his career when Barry was so instrumental in the majority of the Lions wins. In fact, didn't the Lions RUSH alot more than they threw then?" ------------------------------ ------------------- Several obvious reasons.... 1.) The revolving offensive coordinator position. From the run 'n shoot all the way to 3 yards and a cloud of dust, we never settled on or even had an offensive philosophy. 2.) Which playoff win are you referring to ? The only game we won, in 1991, featured two young teams. The Cowboys went on to three Super Bowls....we went on to nothing. 3.) After stumbling on a fine young offensive line, the Lions never replaced Utley or Andolsek. Our offensive line struggled for the remainder of Barry's career. 4.) The bend but don't break defense usually broke. Although this town never figured it out, 9-7 and a comedy act doesn't win anything. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2710 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.194.53 |
At least the Lions were fun to watch when Wayne was the coach. Frustrating yes, but the Millen era Lions have been painful to watch. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 396 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
The 4 receiver set or dub'"Run an shoot" was perfect for a runner like Barry__due to the fact that he created his runs on the fly__ A 'big' tight end or full-back would of simply slowed Barry down. If there is one thing that Barry could have been better at, that would be receiving__ He was limited in the passing game because he hand hands of stone. The 4 receiver set spreaded the defense and allowed Barry to pick and choose which lanes to get thru at the line of scrimmage or outside containment__ and once he got in the secondary it was history. If anything a traditional 'pro-set' would have been a waste of talent. I just don't understand when people say, "what if" with Barry Sanders__ Damn what more do you want from the Man! He's only one of the greatest Backs of all time. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 876 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
He was limited in the passing game because he hand hands of stone. ------------------------------ -------------------- Just not true. Barry actually had good hands, even though he was a small target. Plus when he went out for a pass, half the opposing team went with him. I remember a Monday Night game where Madden casually said, "If Barry was on my team, I don't think he would ever be pass blocking". Madden made that comment after watching Barry do it twice in a row. The Lions were fools then too. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 397 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.114.51 |
Ok, if you are taking me literally, with the "hands of stone" analogy__ then, your ,"half the team went with him" analogy is wrong as well. Seriously, Barry was never known as an effective pass catcher like a Thruman Thomas or Emmitt Smith.__ had nothing to do with the defense__infact it was often argued why Barry was not involved more in the pass game__ it was often determined that Barry was more effective with long hand-offs in the back field__ which was essentially like a pass play__ And the Madden comment--well that's just stupid-- if you have played football before, you would understand why your running back is vital in pass blocking. I'm sure Madden was thinking more like a fan than a coach with that comment. super d(motordetroit) |
