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Rust
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 08-2004
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 8:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will the momentum last? It is sounding and looking almost to good to be true!

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20051202/B IZ/512020339/1001

I couldn't be happier about the revitalization of the lower Woodward cooridor but is this real? Will it spread to the Capital Park, Park st etc. etc.?
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Bobj
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Post Number: 247
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 9:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is truly amazing all that has happened in the last 5 years or so in that stretch - I never would have belived it.
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Merchantgander
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Post Number: 1359
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 9:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No quote from that Peter Zeiler dude very disappointing.
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Detroitduo
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 06-2005
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say, Raspberries to the Nay-sayers!

This town will revive itself, in spite of itself. How about we stop being astounded or shocked and be proud and active! A city is not a collection of a bunch of buildings. A City is a collection of PEOPLE. WE are the ones who make this town great... but nice, renovated buildings definitely makes it nicer. :-)

Keep it up, Detroit!
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Dialh4hipster
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Post Number: 1189
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look, someone's going to ask for it so I might as well ...

"Any pics? I'm having a hard time picturing these buildings."
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Itsjeff
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Post Number: 5105
Registered: 10-2003
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 11:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We should get this out of the way, too:

This story has already been posted. Use the damn search feature, morons!

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/60904.html?1133532997
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Detroitduo
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Post Number: 359
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LMGAO @ itsjeff!
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Gumby
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LMSAO @ itsjeff
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Dialh4hipster
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Seriously, this place can be surprisingly predictable.

"Link please."
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Toolbox
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Post Number: 755
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Posted From: 65.196.220.198
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Itsjeff

We should get this out of the way, too:

This story has already been posted. Use the damn search feature, morons!

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/60904.html?1133532997




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Sknutson
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Post Number: 390
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 2:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think Detroitduo has coined a great new city slogan: Detroit: Reviving Itself In Spite of Itself.

I love it!
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Gistok
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Post Number: 1548
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 4:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I mentioned this before on another thread, but it bears reposting. About 5 years ago Preservation Wayne started sponsoring "Loft Development Workshops" where they brought in loft development experts from around the country, as well local folks who were experts in historic tax credits, etc. and got them together with metro Detroit business folks who were interested in rehabbing old buildings.

Although not quantifiable, I am sure it helped spur the current frenzy (someone had to start the stampede!).

Hats off to Katherine Clarkson (former PW executive director, who coordinated these activities) and other Preservation Wayne folks who helped in this endeavor! (P.S. I was not involved.)

It is activities like these, cleaning out the National Theatre for future development, offering tours (downtown skyscraper, midtown, Eastern Market, historic theatres, historic churches) and other activities that makes being a member of Preservation Wayne a very satisfying experience. This is especially true when so much redevelopment is taking place.

Who says preservationists are bad? :-)

(Message edited by gistok on December 02, 2005)
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E_hemingway
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Post Number: 360
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 4:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are those Loft Development Workshops still offered? I looked through preservation wayne's web site and did a google search, but came up with nothing.
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Gistok
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E_hemingway, no they are not. I don't remember exactly when the last one was held, possibly 2 years ago. I don't know why they are no longer held. There was a PW money crunch at that time, and executive director Katherine Clarkson was let go (which worked out OK since she had ill elderly parents in PA to tend to, so she moved there).

(Damn I miss her Christmas parties in her large Highland Park house, where I got to meet a lot of Detroit's preservation hoi poloi.)
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Skulker
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Post Number: 3211
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Posted From: 68.42.176.88
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

About 5 years ago Preservation Wayne started sponsoring "Loft Development Workshops" where they brought in loft development experts from around the country, as well local folks who were experts in historic tax credits, etc. and got them together with metro Detroit business folks who were interested in rehabbing old buildings.


Indeed they did, in conjunction with the Greater Downtown Partnership assisting with contacts and logistics. Incendentally, at that time, the GDP was functionally the real estate arm of the DDA.


quote:

Although not quantifiable, I am sure it helped spur the current frenzy (someone had to start the stampede!).




In the subject area, Woodward between Jefferson and Grand Circus Park, there are two buildings that were privately converted into lofts 6-10 years ago. (The Schwankovsky Temple of Music and the one Oslo is in.) At least one has benefitted from the facade improvement program.

Then there are six buildings in Merchants Row and three in Lofts of Woodward. In each of these projects, the City of Detroit DDA acquired the majority of the buildings for the projects and loaned money for the projects. Absent these two actions by the DDA, neither project would be occuring.

The three recently DDA acquired buildings that are the subject of the article will be flipped as well as indicated in the article to duplicate the type of development seen at MRow and LoW.

600 Woodward was acquired by the City, transferred to the DDA for dipsosition and will be converted in to 10 loft units with retail and some office space. Without the participation of the DDA in assisting and financing a portion of the litigation need for the clearing of title the building would still be in limbo. The building is also receiving DDA facade grant dollars.

1001 is currently converting the majority of the building to lofts with loans ans assistance for the parking deck construction from the DDA.

There are two loft conversion projects occuring south side of MRow. One is being done without permits, the other is being assisted, if I am not mistaken, by the DDA facade improvement program.

The the Aizer building on Woodward and Grand River is being converted to lofts, again with facade improvemnt dollars from the DDA.

There are three other DDA facade improvement grants at at Himmelhoch, A&M Coney Island and the Tall Eez building.
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Merchantgander
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Post Number: 1366
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Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 11:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Skulker, would you please get off your ass and tell the rest of the DDA folks to get off theirs and start doing some work. Damm lazy asses please get something done. :-)
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Llyn
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Post Number: 1270
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Posted From: 68.61.197.206
Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are lofts in the Oslo building? It doesn't look like it. I don't ever remember seeing lights on at night. We're talking about the green and white building on the east side of Woodward on the corner just north of the LoW project, right?
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Rsa
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there used to be llyn. it's called the rose center jewelry building. i think it was one unit per floor at a fairly reasonable price. long waiting llist. i talked to the owner there several years ago and he was very nice.

they might be renovating or something, 'cuz i haven't seen anybody in there for a little while now...
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Toolbox
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Posted From: 69.14.125.129
Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Llyn

There are lofts in the Oslo building?




For about the last 20 years.
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Llyn
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Post Number: 1271
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Um...

"In the subject area, Woodward between Jefferson and Grand Circus Park, there are two buildings that were privately converted into lofts 6-10 years ago. (The Schwankovsky Temple of Music and the one Oslo is in.)"
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Jams
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Lyn,
Those have been lofts, albeat illegally, for at least 15 years. I watched the Thanksgiving Parade 12 years ago from the balcony of my friends loft in the The Schwankovsky Temple of Music. Another friend of mine lived in the Oslo Bldg for quite a few years.

Damn, I miss those days of true lofts, not just apartments with high ceilings with exposed ductwork,
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Jerome81
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Its gotta start somewhere, and I think this is it.

Hopefully the critical mass will be reached and the rest just flows from there.
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Llyn
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Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 10:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, they're not occupied now. When I was downtown yesterday, the upper floors look empty and some of the windows are boarded up.

I assume that some building owner someplace must aware of an opportunity here. Buildings on almost every side have been successfully developed.
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Restoretheroar
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Post Number: 640
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 192.193.220.149
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 1:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Instead of starting a new thread- does anybody have any updates on any of the following developments?
1. Comos on Woodward
2. Fort Shelby start date
3. Book Cadillac financing and actual start date
4. East Riverfront parcel announcement.
5. Madison Theatre timeline
6. Chelis CHili Timeline
7. CLiffs Bell timeline
8. Athens Bar location

havent heard any news lately and not much has been announced development wise in a while. Wondering if any of the "insiders" have heard anything.
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Tetsua
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Some pictures of the new developments would be greatly appreciated as well.
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Detroitkev
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Post Number: 30
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I would imagine the Comos, Chelli's Chilli, and Cliff Bells will be done prior to Superbowl. Book Cadillac should start construction prior to Superbowl.
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Brandon48202
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Post Number: 35
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DetroitKev,
Can you please please please help me lease this?

http://detroit.craigslist.org/ apa/117420743.html
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Llyn
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Post Number: 1282
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Comos will be done by the superbowl?
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Llyn
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Post Number: 1290
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bump

inquiring minds want to know...
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Lurker
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Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 6:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That was the word 5 months ago:
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/50492/50046.html?1121200 420
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 8:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cheli's Chili Bar will be done by the Super Bowl.

I dont think that Como's had planned on opening prior to the super bowl

Book-Cadillac..when i talked to KK spokesman Eddie McDonald he said there should be a financing announcement by the end of the year..who knows
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Freakylilgnome
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Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 10:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never doubt the "D"!
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Sfdet
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quote:

"Book-Cadillac..when i talked to KK spokesman Eddie McDonald he said there should be a financing announcement by the end of the year.."

from what year is mr. mcdonald's statement above? is it:

a. 2003
b. 2004
c. 2005
d. all of the above


correct answer: d. all of the above

(Message edited by sfdet on December 13, 2005)
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Eric
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According Fress Press story on the hotel financing should close next Monday. Anyone know how "immediately" the construction will start?


quote:

Ferchill has scheduled a closing date on his financing package for Dec. 19, with construction expected to start immediately after.




(Message edited by eric on December 14, 2005)
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Genesyxx
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I got a Q:

What about all that land north of I-75 on Woodward?????
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Llyn
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If you're talking about the west side of Woodward just noth of the motown buildings, there are condos and retail slated for that area.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Haha true. This was just a couple of weeks before the election in an interview I did with him.
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Detroitduo
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Llyn, condos/retail has been slated for that side of woodward for 6 years (when I moved across the street on the east side of Woodward). I will believe it will happen, when I see it... and the same goes for the Motown Museum "complex" which Mr. Berry has said will go in on the corner.

One this is correct, there is a master plan... but there has been no movement on it... other than making parking lots...
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Llyn
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Just sheer guesswork, but if Crosswinds is still the developer, I wonder if they're waiting to complete the lofts at new center before starting - so they don't spread themselves too thin. Makes sense, and NC is almost complete.

Either way, I'm thinking that the development will definitely happen at some point. Don't you think any other conclusion would be rediculous?!

The motown thing I've become extremely skeptical of... they had a time table and architect and local office and were, you know, moving forward on it for sure. That was a couple years ago.
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Northend
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Post Number: 482
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Llyn, the lofts at new center are completed. I think they have 9 built units left to sell (facing Woodward). Crosswinds ended up scraping the last phase that was supposed to butt against Seward and its Section 8.

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