  Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 79 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.212.33.175 |
I say bring back Wayne Fontes The roar of 91 will be revived! Detroit 38 Dallas 6 Only playoff game won since the 50's - leading to the Redskin romp in the NFC Championship game, but that doesnt count. (Message edited by Bussey on December 04, 2005) | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7848 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.208.61 |
Please! Fontes was and will be forever a mediocre (if that) coach. Let's face it, the Lion's will be this way for at least another 10 years+. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 157 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.141.198 |
who are the Lions? | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 244 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.209.140.3 |
The Detroit Lions needs a coach who is tough and a disciplinarian - like a Herman Edwards, like a Jon Gruden, like a Bill Parcells, like a Bill Cowher. Wayne Fontes isn't up to par in that regards. | ||
Lurker Member Username: Lurker Post Number: 1508 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.31.76 |
Like Bobby Ross? | ||
Knocturnal Member Username: Knocturnal Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.176.50.206 |
brian billick | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5086 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.192.217 |
I heard that Mariucci is available.... | ||
Evelethcdenver Member Username: Evelethcdenver Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 63.227.44.137 |
How about Coach Klein from "The Waterboy?" | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 81 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.212.33.175 |
did any one see the fan at the game who had the sign reading "Fire Millen" and was being chased by security the whole time? Millen's losers need to give the fans a break. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 246 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.209.140.3 |
The fans should make their point where it counts, do not attend the remaining home games until Millen is fired. When the ticketing office and the concession stands feel the pinch, perhaps then Millen would be handed the pink slip. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4511 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
a different coach every game. bring 'em out of the stands, hand 'em a PS2 controller attached to a Madden 2006 game, and have 'em make the calls. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1308 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.255.167.252 |
I say we give the job to Jimmy Kimmel. He always acts like he knows how to run the team. If nothing else, it'll get him to shut for awhile. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 194 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
Here's a list of coordinators the Lions should interview: Mike Smith - Jaguars defensive coordinator; born November 30, 1959, Chicago. Linebacker East Tennessee 1977-1981. Pro linebacker Winnipeg Blue Bombers (CFL) 1982. College coach: San Diego State 1982-85, Morehead State (Ky.) 1986, Tennessee Tech 1987-1998. Pro coach: Baltimore Ravens 1999-2002, joined Jaguars in 2003. Cam Cameron - Chargers offensive coordinator; born February 6, 1961, Chapel Hill, N.C. Quarterback Indiana 1980-83. No pro playing experience. College coach: Michigan 1984-1993, Indiana 1997-2001 (head coach). Pro coach: Washington Redskins 1994-96, joined Chargers in 2002. Mike Trgovac - Panthers defensive coordinator; born February 27, 1959, Youngstown, Ohio. Defensive lineman Michigan 1977-1980. No pro playing experience. College coach: Michigan 1984-85, Ball State 1986-88, Navy 1989, Colorado State 1990-91, Notre Dame 1992-94. Pro coach: Philadelphia Eagles 1995-98, Green Bay Packers 1999, Washington Redskins 2000-01, joined Panthers in 2002. Tim Lewis - Giants defensive coordinator; born December 18, 1961, Quakertown, Pa. Defensive back Pittsburgh 1979-1982. Pro cornerback Green Bay Packers 1983-86. College coach: Texas A&M 1987-88, Southern Methodist 1989-1992, Pittsburgh 1993-94. Pro coach: Pittsburgh Steelers 1995-2003, joined Giants in 2004. Maurice Carthon - Browns offensive coordinator; born April 24, 1961, Chicago. Running back Arkansas State 1979-1982. Pro running back New Jersey Generals (USFL) 1983-85, N.Y. Giants 1985-1991, Indianapolis Colts 1992. Pro coach: New England Patriots 1994-96, N.Y. Jets 1997-2000, Detroit Lions 2001-02, Dallas Cowboys 2003-04, joined Browns in 2005. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 195 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
Cam Cameron or Mike Trgovac would be my choice. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2692 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Does it really matter who the next coach is? | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7850 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.70.118.28 |
You got it Czar...it sure as hell doesn't. Just like having a superstar QB won't change anything. Not with the play calls, O-line and a crappy front office. Honestly, as long as the Ford's continue to hire those who's personalites they like, then this org. is going no where. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 247 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
First, fire Millen. Then, explore the possibilities of coordinators such as Cam Cameron or Mike Trgovac listed above. Otherwise, it really is a moot point. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 564 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 68.40.119.216 |
With Cameron you would have a more wide open offense. Remember when they said the Lions scored too fast when they had Barry and the run and gun offense? At least they were entertaining then. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2693 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Jimmy Johnson pretty much reamed the Lions and Matt Millen out on the Fox pre-game yesterday. He equated hiring Matt Millen with Notre Dame's hiring of Gerry Faust as head coach years ago. | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 256 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.241.164.222 |
Let's face reality. As long the Fords own the Lions, they will make the personnel decisions. What has changed to indicate that they won't continue to make bad decisions, especially about team Presidents or General Managers? Those are the folks who hire the coaches and should be bearing the brunt of the criticism. Despite the fact that I don't think the Fords really want the Lions to be the laughing stock of the NFL that they've become, I don't think they have a clue as to how to do better and I don't see the Lions having any long term success (and maybe no short term) until the team is sold to someone else. Indeed, this poor management decision making may also help explain some of Ford Motor Co.'s problems. So, after 40+ years of following the Lions, I no longer care if they ever win another game as long the Fords own the team. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9511 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
I nominate Chris Spielman. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2694 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Someone should try and organize a "sit-out" at the last Lion home game. Tell all the Lion fans to stay home and send a message to the Fords. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2013 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
At least the fans are waking up to what's behind the mayhem... From what I read in today's freep the fans are callin en masse for the head of Matt Millen. Even Terry Bradshaw, JJ, and Howie Long agree that Millen is the biggest reason the Lions are falling apart... (Message edited by Detroit_stylin on December 05, 2005) | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9513 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
I still disagree and feel Millen hasn't made a poor decision yet. All the recievers taken were considered top talents, just as Mooch was. Its this teams coaching inability that is the root of all problems. I'd venture to guess that Harrington will have his started job back and Jones will be secured as a starter come next season. | ||
Pepperjack Member Username: Pepperjack Post Number: 48 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 63.240.210.125 |
Mike Martz will be the next head coach of the Detroit Lions. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7854 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.70.118.28 |
I bet you are correct Pepperjack. It would fit in nicely the way the Ford's run this team. Mike Martz is just another loser coach that will bring this team no where. Sport must be drinking again. Considering every football analyst thinks that Millen has destroyed this team and brought it no where...you must know or see things that they don't. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2019 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Sport you gotta admit, when Millen took the team over it did have a somewhat winning record(even if it was only 9-7), but that is a hell of a lot better than what the record has been for the last 5 years since he's been the GM... | ||
Dday Member Username: Dday Post Number: 771 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.209.165.170 |
I wonder if the satisfaction of seeing the Lions in such sad shape has provided any satisfaction to Bobby Ross' after his loss to Navy this past weekend? I would be laughing my ass off if I were him. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9514 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Every single jackass out there with a mic in front of him didn't even have the Pistons as a contender in the east this year. They all said Miami was the team, with the Pacers a close second. They even said look out for New Jersey as well. Now they are all starting to back pedal saying Detroit is the team to beat. Sports analysts are a bunch of dumbasses that are analysts because they can't get a job doing anything else. I would LOVE to see them make a list of players the Lions should have drafted instead of who they did these past few years, then explain what the real problem with the team is. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2703 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
Yeah, and if those NBA analysts can't get the Pistons right then the NFL analysts (including one who won an NCAA national championship and back to back Super Bowls) don't know anything either. Huh? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9515 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Exactly. Plus, wasn't that back to back super bowl winner fired? Go figure. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2704 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.215.248 |
No | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 248 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
I am no sports analyst, but I feel that on top of pure college stats and high draft prospects ..... good scouts would look for intangibles such as maturity, conduct, personality, hunger to win, chemistry and etc. The current Detroit Lions team doesn't have chemistry - and that is the problem that needs to be resolved. | ||
Treez4brkfst Member Username: Treez4brkfst Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.79.121.29 |
Biggie! | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3228 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Interesting that the only job Millen could get after playing was not coaching, was not as a GM but as an "analyst". Working with peoples assumption that analysts don't know anything about football, what does it tell us that 31 teams were content to let Millen be an "analyst" and only the Lions saw value in him as a president? | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2030 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
That is pretty damn sad... | ||
Mr_onion Member Username: Mr_onion Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.162.175.29 |
YOU CAN HAVE LLOYD CARR,, HEs a LOSER AND WOULD FIT IN NICELY WITH LOSER LIONS | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.156.67 |
The sports analysts and writers are unecessarily ripping on Millen because it gives them something to talk/write about. The fact is, Millen HAS made the right decisions when it comes to the draft. Any team placed at 3rd in need of a QB would have chosen Harrington that year. Any team in the 2nd spot in need of a big-game receiver would have absolutely chosen C. Rogers (I believe he was consistently named the best receiver in the draft. R. Williams was chosen because we had a Bill Shroeder starting as a WR. If the QB's can actually throw the ball, Roy looks to be a solid receiver in this league. Kevin Jones--loads of talent, bad year, no passing threat, horrendous O-line. (These same sports writers hailed the Lions as having the best draft of all teams when we picked up R.Williams/Kevin Jones) Mike Williams still looks to be a questionable choice, however. I'm just getting tired of people determining Millen as the end-all and incompetent when in truth it was just a handful of mistakes coupled with horrible luck. (Add Mooch's failure to develop players as well--Millen did make that bad decision). | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1052 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.213.173.94 |
I think you're right about Rogers. He was the epitome of a vaunted draft choice. But I think he's had character issues from the start, and with his on the field performance being next to nothing, he's got to go. I think Mike Williams will pan out. A lot about the future direction of the organization will be decided this spring. Beyond the new coach, we will see if we draft pocket a qb and strong offensive linemen, or go for a scrambler and more skill players at TE or on defense. Will it be a first round QB pick, or will we fish around for a potential Ben Roethlisberger? I'm hoping for an end to the west coast pattern, with a spread offense and scrambling QB. It raises hell. Look at Atlanta v. Detroit. Look at Texas/MSU/PSU/OSU v. UM. At least it's entertaining football. My hopes are for Michael Robinson or Brett Basanez in the draft, and Jim Mora Sr. or any other guy with comparable gusto for our new coach. | ||
Knocturnal Member Username: Knocturnal Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 24.176.50.206 |
Czar - about the mass sit out...unfortunately cinci is in town so ford field will be infiltrated with bengals fans. too bad the tigers dont earn their stripes like palmer and co....maybe some day | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2706 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.194.53 |
Chris Mortensen of ESPN (a reliable reporter) said last night that his sources tell him it is not out of the question for Millen to be fired or "resign" if the Lions finish the season poorly. So there is some hope. | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 112 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.97 |
"if the Lions finish the season poorly"? LOL | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1273 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
I don't think Millen's drafts have been great, but they've been acceptable if we excuse the off field antics and injuries of our trio of supposed star receivers. A few busts (including Joey so far), but a few good picks, too. And he was astute (or lucky) in getting extra draft picks, including the one that snagged Kevin Jones. Free agents are also a mixed bag. Dre Bly, Kenoit Kennedy, and Damian Woody have been productive. The other half dozen or so free agents are generally overpriced and a waste of money. My favorite example of this is McQuarters who can return kicks and punts but is terrible at cornerback. He can't cover and he can't (or won't) tackle. (Why was he in there for most of the last game?) And then we got a guard from Indy who can't block and a tight end from Indy who can't catch a football. Now we know why Indy let them go, I guess. He clearly can't hire a coach (the single most important thing a gm does), and doesn't seem to know how to put a winning organization together. On top of all that he's got an attitude that just rubs me wrong. One he's demonstrated in public again and again. Make him scouting director or something, or let him go. Goodbye and good riddance. In any event, the leading name being bandied about for head coach seems to be Mike Martz, for whatever that's worth. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1213 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
Late to the discussion -- but clearly the choice will be Mike Martz. And forget about his coaching ability, play calling, and "crazy genius" reputation -- what other "M" is out there? Can't keep the M&M boys goings without hiring Mike Martz. | ||
Czar Member Username: Czar Post Number: 2708 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.194.53 |
I think Martz would be a poor choice, so it will probably happen. Martz has a stubborn insistence on not running the ball, which would not bode well for Kevin Jones' development. St. Louis also has a terrible defense. |
