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Quinn
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Hey all sorry for this but I know I've read a thread debating whether or not Ann Arbor is considered a suburb of Detroit. I've searched the archives but can't find it...I know I'm not losing my mind...can anyone help me find this thread?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!
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The_aram
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which one are you looking for?

as i recall, all of them were threadjacks of nonrelated threads.
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Hornwrecker
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Lowell drove a stake through its heart, let the beast lay.
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Atl_runner
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why the need to find an old thread when we can settle it right here again?

Yes, it is a Suburb.
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Supersport
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After much heated discussion with CL we came to the conclusion that it IS in fact a suburb. Quickly becoming a violent one at that!
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Quinn
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I know that we concluded it was a suburb...but wasn't there some documentation you guys had...a link? Maybe to a news article or something better...

Help me out I'm arguing with someone who's thining of buying a house in ann arbor instead of a condo in the Carleton...he says there's no way Ann Arbor is considered a suburb...I need to prove him wrong!
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The_aram
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Hornwrecker, couldn't have said it better myself.
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Jjaba
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I recently had a deep consultation with a classy family in Stonebridge subdivision, suburb of Ann Arbor. They say, like jjaba says, Ann Arbor ain't a suburb of Detroit.

Ann Arbor is a colege town, an industrial town, a real city, a County seat of an adjacent county.
It is 40 miles from Detroit, too far to be an appendage. Howell, Michigan isn't a suburb of Detroit either. Pontiac is not a suburb too. These are places apart and with a separate identity from Detroit.

Find yourself in Troy, Grosse Pointe, Warren, Hazeltucky, Oak Park, Novi, Trenton, Ferndale, Royal Oak, Dearborn, Southfield, Garden City, Pleasant Ridge, East Detroit. These are Detroit suburbs.

This thing was debated and debated. Perhaps somebody can give our friend Quinn some references to past discussions.

jjaba agrees with Hornwrecker. We settled this long ago and jjaba is right. Ann Arbor didn't just move. Ann Arbor is NOT a suburb. Please, move on already. Oy Veyesmere!

jjaba on the Westside, tells it like it tis.
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Matt
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I don't know what you're talking about jjaba, but Pontiac is definitely a suburb of Detroit.
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Jjaba
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When little Pincus goes AWAY to college at the University of Michigan, he leaves home and goes to live in Ann Arbor.

When the Flint Ink Company moved to Ann Arbor from Detroit, the employees moved into Ann Arbor.
No longer could they commute from Detroit neighborhoods nor from some Detroit suburb.

When a student goes to college at Wayne State, they either jump on a bus or drive there, from the City or suburbs. Nobody who lives in Ann Arbor drives to Wayne State as a commuter.

There's no regional light or heavy interurban rail from Ann Arbor to Detroit. You take AMTRAK, the nation's long haul RR. Ann Arbor is a long schlep from Detroit.

Football fans spend several hrs. on game days trying to get to Michigan Stadium. It's a special day, a long day. You carpool, you have your favorite route. It's not the same as going shopping at the Mall. Ann Arbor has never been and is still today, is NOT a suburb.

Quinn, tell your friend to move to Detroit if he wants to be in Detroit or a suburb nearby.

jjaba on the Westside.
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Didn't y'all lose enough time of your lives debating this stupid, idiotic, sensless topic already? Who gives a flying f*ck anyway.
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Fnemecek
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Funny, I always thought Detroit was a suburb of Ann Arbor.
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Jjaba
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Fnemecek, the last time we looked, the distances are the same East or West.

jjaba, LOL.
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Mrsjdaniels
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i wish i would have been in on this discussion...but i've always assumed that suburbs are considered suburbs because they "flank" the borders of a major city...

hence, A2 to me, isnt a suburb
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Jjaba
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Because Mrsjdaniels can read a map.
Monroe, Michigan isn't a suburb either.

jjaba.
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Please, make it stop....
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When a student goes to college at Wayne State, they either jump on a bus or drive there, from the City or suburbs. Nobody who lives in Ann Arbor drives to Wayne State as a commuter.



Actually, when I was at WSU, I knew of a few people who did live in Ann Arbor or Ypsi and commuted to WSU. There weren't a lot of them, but there were a few.

And when I was at U of M (for one semester only before I ran out of cash) I commuted from Detroit.

quote:

i wish i would have been in on this discussion...but i've always assumed that suburbs are considered suburbs because they "flank" the borders of a major city...



The question is how far out does that flanking go. West Bloomfield, for example, doesn't share a border with Detroit but it is almost universally regarded as a suburb.

My position is that suburbs can theoretically go on forever (think Chicagoland). They don't stopy until one eventually hits either another major city or a rural area.

Ann Arbor isn't a full-fledged suburb of Detroit just yet. There are still a handful of farms in between the two cities. However, as those farms giveway to more and more prefab housing complexes and McMansions - it is rapidly becoming one.

There was a proposal a few years ago (1999, I think) for Ann Arbor to start buying up land around itself to create more greenspace. That would have created the buffer needed to prevent it from fully becoming a suburb.
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Because I like to inflict pain & have pointless, frustrating conversations, I will add this....

Prior to the 2000 census, Ann Arbor was indeed a suburb of Detroit. Although its own Primary Statistical Area (PMSA) comprised of Washtenaw, Lenawee & Livingston Counties, it was also a part of the larger Detroit Metro CMSA (Consoldated Metropolitan Statistical Area). This included the 3 Ann Arbor Counties and Genesee, Macomb, Monroe, Oakland, Lapeer, St. Clair and Wayne Counties.

Now however, the new designations are referred to as Metro & Micropolitan areas. And, Ann Arbor is no longer a function of Detroit. At least according to the federal government.

http://www.census.gov/populati on/estimates/metro-city/List1. txt
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Chris_rohn
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Therefore, Ann Arbor and Monroe are NOT suburbs of Detroit.

11460 Ann Arbor, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area
11460 26161 Washtenaw County, MI

19820 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area
19820 19804 Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI Metropolitan Division
19820 19804 26163 Wayne County, MI
19820 47644 Warren-Farmington Hills-Troy, MI Metropolitan Division
19820 47644 26087 Lapeer County, MI
19820 47644 26093 Livingston County, MI
19820 47644 26099 Macomb County, MI
19820 47644 26125 Oakland County, MI
19820 47644 26147 St. Clair County, MI

33780 Monroe, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area
33780 26115 Monroe County, MI
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Boss_hogg
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Maybe Monroe is a suburb of Toledo :-)
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Fnemecek
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Okay - I'll buy that. Ann Arbor is hereby dubbed a suburb of Detroit (or Detroit a suburb of Ann Arbor - depending on how you want to look at it).

Monroe is hereby a suburb of Toledo.
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Jjaba
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Using the logic of Monroe, a suburb of Toledo fails jjaba. They aren't even in the same state.

In the New York City region, they refer to it as the Tri-State Region. So, Hoboken isn't seen as a suburb any more than we'd reduce Windsor, Ontario to suburban status of Detroit.

Monroe is a County seat, not a suburb. That's where jjaba draws the line.

Fnemecek, except for your friends, nobody commutes to Wayne State from Ann Arbor. Like you stated, it would difficult as hell to be a student in Ann Arbor and live in Detroit.

jjaba interned at Ann Arbor City Hall while a WSU grad student so there's some experience here. It was rough, twice a week with a commute from the Westside.

jjaba.
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Fnemecek
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quote:

Using the logic of Monroe, a suburb of Toledo fails jjaba. They aren't even in the same state.



You are correct that they aren't in the same state. However, Monroe and Toledo are physically closer to each other than Detroit and West Bloomfield are. No one is disputing that West Bloomfield is a suburb.

It's often been said that half of Connecticut is a suburb of NYC and the other half is a suburb of Boston.

State lines and county seats, in my opinion, are immaterial to the definition of suburb.
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Jjaba
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jjaba likes what you say about CT. Maybe that's why Joe Lieberman is such a fan of Wall Street bankers. They are his constituents.

Is CT for the Yankees or the Celtics?
We know that the Red Sox nation extends North through New England to Canada. Maybe INTO Canada too.

Crossing state lines can be part of the same metro. Cincinnati is a great example. The airport is even in Ky. You are probably right about Monroe, jjaba's never been down there to look around.

jjaba, Proudly Westside.
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Please for the love of god, let it go!!
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Jjaba
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Jtl, lighten up. We're off your favorite subject about Ann Arbor. jjaba promises not to bring it up, unless attacked.
Merci.
jjaba, LOL.
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quote:

It's often been said that half of Connecticut is a suburb of NYC...




Also the northern part of New Jersey
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1953
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Ann Arbor is an enclave suburb of Detroit.
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Danny
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ANN ARBOR IS NOT A SUBURB OF DETROIT!!!! IT'S A CITY WITH IT OWN TOWNSHIPS AND SUBURBS.
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Northend
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Violent crime has extended to A2 thus making it a suburb of Detroit :-)
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Ann Arbor residents have few reasons to enter Detroit or even Wayne County. It's a financially well-off three-college town, along with Ypsi, that doesn't need anything that Detroit has to offer. True, Ypsi has its own crime troubles. So the residents there don't even need to visit Motown for that either.

It and Ypsilanti have their own clean, efficient bus system with schedules that are timely maintained. Not like Detroit. Joe Harris, the ex city auditor-general stated recently that on any given day, the DDOT had only about 70% of its scheduled buses running and in service.

The Vernor - route #49 - somedays only has one or two of its four scheduled busses running. That means that it could take 2 1/2 to 3 hours instead of 30 minutes between busses, if only one bus is running that route.
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Broken_main
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Hmmmmm...I getting a familiar feeling about where this thread going.
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1953
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Let me think...did Ann Arbor exist before Detroit? No. Did Ann Arbor grow as a direct result of growth in Detroit? Yes. So, would that make Ann Arbor a suburb of Detroit? Sure would.
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Danny
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HELL NO 1953,

Once again Ann Arbor IS NOT a suburb of Detroit.
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Danny
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In order to be a suburb of any metropolitan area. A suburb has to be a incorporated city, thus joining with a another incoporated city, or a township that is surrounded by any incorporated city. Highland Park and Hamtramck ARE NOT SUBURBS. They are cities within the city. Center Line and Lathrup Village are suburban cities within the suburban cities. But all of them are part of the metro-Detroit area.

Not only Ann Arbor is Not a suburb of Detroit, But Ypsilanti, Milford, South Lyon, Clarkston, Union Lake, and Mt. Clemens. There are their own cities.
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Quinn
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Are you nutz danny? Those are indeed suburbs of detroit. Ypsilanti is a suburb of detroit...what suburbs belong to ann arbor...maybe that answers the question. Ann arbor has no suburbs.

1953 I agree wholeheartedly...
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Rosedaleken
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Livernoisyard, I agree. How many suburbs have their own public transportation systems? I looked on the net for the Center Line Transit Authority, but couldn't find it.

There's a village called Barton Hills north of Ann Arbor widely viewed as a suburb. A small collection of multimillion dollar homes and a country club, that's about it. Great bike riding, 0 industry to speak of. Many would also say Ypsi is a suburb of Ann Arbor.

When the AATA becomes an extension of SMART, with busses along Plymouth road from U of M to Detroit, I will eat my words.
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Citylover
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1953 aside from Detroit being around longer(detroit is older than new orleans) you are wrong on every other point.
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Benjamin
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By a similar logic Oxford is a suburb of London. Not quite certain I buy that one. Moreover it's often the case that suburbs will be older than the cities thay are a suburb of, the most extreme example being Anciant Carthage, which has since become a suburb of Tunis. The whole argument is somewhat misleading, though. We seem to be discussing two seperate things: political boundries and urban form. Politically the region is hopelessly divided, particulaurly by that intellectual monstrosity down the middle of the Detroit River. Urban form matters more on the local level. As the name suggests, a suburban neighbourhood is any one which is less than fully urban. There are such neighbourhoods throught the metro area and throughout Ann Arbour as well. On the other hand there are urban pools even in places like Rochester and Birmingham which are otherwise surounded by suburbs. I like to talk about Metro Detroit's secondary centres (downtown Waydoyette, Dearborne, Royal Oak, Pontiac, ect...), and in terms of Detroit's natural economic catch basin (any part of the world closer to Detroit than to Toronto, Chicago, or Cleveland. That would roughly include Lansing, Jackson, Toledo, St. Thomas, London, Port Huron, and Saginaw, and sort of fades away towords the north, with places like Traverse City and Alpena being a part of it, but at the same time being sufficantly distant that the concept becomes extremly abstract.
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The_aram
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Fascinating post, Benjamin. Interesting to think about.
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Link to Michigan Suburbs Alliance listing its members. Ypsi is one, A2 is not.

Rosedaleken if you looked a little harder, you would have found that Centerline did have its own trolley from around 1900 to the late 1930s, when the DSR cut them off at 8 Mile. While not recent, and has no bearing on this thread, it is interesting. Will post some photos on the DSR thread when I resize them.
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Danny
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Quinn,

Ypsilant is not a suburb of Detroit. The city is NOt connected with a another incorporated suburb. But it still get some of its water from Detroit.
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quote:

Hmmmmm...I getting a familiar feeling about where this thread going.




See told ya...LOL
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Danny
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Quinn,

Ann Arbor has one suburb called Barton Hills. it located just NW of Ann Arbor next to Ann Arbor TWP.

Saline is not a suburb of Detroit.
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Rosedaleken
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Thanks Hornwrecker, my lame attempt at making a sarcastic point backfired. Hopefully the point was still made. I would like to see the pics too.
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Ray
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My God, it's so sad. I can never get back the moments I spend reading these AA threads. Why do I do it?

AA has both features of a suburb and features of a stand-alone city. Factors supporting a suburban characterization are: (a) TV market is Detroit; (b) sports franchises are Detroit; (c) commercial airport is Detroit; and (d) there is significant commuting between Ann Arbor and places like Plymouth that are undeniably Detroit suburbs.

Factors supporting characterization as an independent city: Strong national recogniation, viable downtown, distance from Detroit coupled with relatively open space seperating the two regions, semi-independant economy.

I must defer to wiser people to judge which factors outway which.
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quote:

Link to Michigan Suburbs Alliance listing its members. Ypsi is one, A2 is not.



That only proves that the folks in A2 are too cheap to pay their membership dues.
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Citylover
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Well Fnemecek as Pat Paulsen said in one of his shows in AA ...."Welcome to Ann Arbor the gateway to Ypsilanti"....
Ray about 35,000 cars a day come to AA during working hrs...
As for t.v. sure we get t.v. from Detroit we also(before cable) got t.v. from Toledo....
As for sports we do have UM and the pro teams are really a statewide thing.
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Lurker
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Where is the Ann Arburb crime thread? People are burning shit down over there:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=2005512200366

I'm glad the Freep is ramping up their suburban coverage. It lets me know which suburbs are safe.
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1953
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This weekend during the nationally televised U of M basketball game, the ESPN announcer said that Ann Arbor was a lovely part of the Motor City. More evidence Ann Arbor is a suburb of Detroit, the Motor City.
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Further proof: Both www.freep.com and www.detnews.com have Ann Arburb stories as their leads today.
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Citylover
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Careful 1953 if you accept that kind of uninformed statement then you should have no problem accepting what will be said about Detroit by out of town media supebowl week.
Proof of what Lurker? That the news and free press want readers in washt co to buy papers?
As for the Ann Arbor crime thread comment more pathetic blathering from the predictable forum.....
Meanwhile in Detroit(gasp) a retired cop shoots and kills an armed robber but unfortunately the retired cop was killed too.......... be careful where you get gas......
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Merchantgander
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"Meanwhile in Detroit(gasp) a retired cop shoots and kills an armed robber but unfortunately the retired cop was killed too.......... be careful where you get gas......"

Paddy you still out there.
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Danny
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That's the ghetto! You will get ROB, CONNED and KILLED!!
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1953
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City Lover...it wasn't an uninformed statement...it came from an announcing both that included Dick Vitale and friends of Mike Torico, a commentator from Ann Arbor. They were very well informed about the area.
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Merchantgander
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That is right Mike Toricco lives in AA.
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Citylover
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So do I and a lot longer than Mr.Toricco.......
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Lurker
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Yeah, nobody has as much AA-cred as you, CL! F Mike Tirico! He's such a poseur.

(Message edited by LURKER on December 20, 2005)
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Danindc
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Geez, using the logic on this thread, I can "prove" that Baltimore is a suburb of Washington, DC (and vice-versa), Newark is a suburb of New York, Akron is a suburb of Cleveland, and Oakland is a suburb of San Francisco (and vice-versa).

Get some hobbies.
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Citylover
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Good to hear from you DANindc......Merry X-mas happy hollidays and all that.....
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Treelock
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This A2 native would not consider the People's Republic as a suburb of Detroit, though it is definitely part of SE Mich and the greater Detroit economic market by most measures. But Ann Arbor has its own character and economy. It is not, contrary to one poster, much of an industrial or auto town but rather is dependent upon the university, Pfizer, Border's, some book publishing companies, Whole Paycheck, restaurants, retail, lotsa random white collar shit, etc.

Most AAers probably don't bother ever coming to Detroit, finding their own town to be self-sufficient. But this Detroit convert thinks A2 has gotten boring over the years. Too many buttoned-up white people.
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Citylover
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Now that is a post by somone that knows Ann ArborTreelock. I agree with you.Ihave come to watch with interest the various city gov't meetings on cable access_city council,historic commission,Greenway project, city planning.......and there is nary a black person.
Not trying to but perhaps sounding a bit maudlin I do recall when I was a kid an active black business area on Ann st as well as the neighborhood west and north of main st where many of my Mack school friends lived........
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Treelock
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A2 has its share of black folks, especially on the north side and southeast, by Pittsfield Twp. Or at least it did when I lived there. My comment was meant more to reflect my view that the town is fast losing the funkiness that made it special to begin with. It's gotten very expensive to live there and that has forced other changes.

I also recall the business district you refer to, Citylover, and fondly recall DeLong's BBQ near Kerrytown. Anyone know if that's still around? They used to have the most succulent ribs, served with packaged white bread and lotsa goopy sauce.

I also recall the days when Fourth Street was a kind of red-light district, complete with hookers and an adult book/video store or two, as well as the more ominous days during the '80s when crack swept into town and crazy brothers whacked out of their skulls tried to provoke me into fights on the street.
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English
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Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 11:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treelock, as a recent lifelong Detroiter who's here in A2 to work and go to school, I agree with your assessment 100%. A2 purports to be Bohemia but is actually really... odd. It's been living on the rep of its aging hippies for far too long, in my opinion...
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Jz_detroit
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Ann Arbor is not a suburb of Detroit. In order to be classified as a suburb of Detroit you must live in the tri-county. Wayne, Oakland, Macomb counties are Metro Detroit. Why? Because they are the three counties that separate Woodward. Woodward is in the dead center between the counties and Woodward is the center of Detroit. Detroiters are known as "East Siders" and "West Siders". Ann Arbor, Flint, and Ypsi are NOT in the three major counties. Pontiac is, in fact Woodward cuts right through it.

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