  Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5210 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.42.168.211 |
Claud Anderson, author and promoter of programs to empower black Americans, plans a $43 million industrial park on Detroit’s near west side to include a 250,000-square-foot seafood plant and, later, more than a dozen small factories. Anderson’s company, Maroon City Development Co., won approval for the project Dec. 13 from the Detroit Economic Development Corp. http://www.crainsdetroit.com/c gi-bin/article.pl?articleId=28 458 | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2805 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
It looks like the publicity stunt he threw paid off in the end. All he wanted was the attention and publicity in the first place. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5211 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.42.168.211 |
I'm pretty sure he wanted the $40 million. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 278 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
this is good news... this will provide some much needed jobs... temporary construction and permanent | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3312 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
But at what cost? How many jobs are to be created and are they worth the free City and State land? | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 451 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.138 |
Black Power! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6231 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.23 |
Skulker - Is this land that is sought after? I agree that the city shouldn't be eating potential land costs but if this is vacant land and has been it seems to be a major bonus to get it in the hands of someone that will bring industry, jobs and tax revenue to the city. Have there been any developers, businesses looking at this land or are we dumping a vacant parcel that was a burden to the city? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3593 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.223 |
 Kanye West Says that Dr Claud Anderson doesn't care about black people. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 452 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.138 |
????? super d(motordetroit) | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1393 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127 |
Skulker, it seems to me that the city gives away land to developers all the time to help create jobs and for development. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1394 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127 |
Super_D, Danny is saying that Dr Claud Anderson doesn't care about black people it is all about the Benjamins. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 453 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.138 |
Oh! oooooook! Thanx fo' clearing that up! 'Danny', what's the basis fo' yo' analogy on Dr. Anderson? I would like to know. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6238 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.23 |
Asking Danny for logic behind his post? You must have more street smarts than that Super_D | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 454 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.138 |
'Danny' do you support tha' plan? super d(motordetroit) | ||
Caseyc Member Username: Caseyc Post Number: 564 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 206.18.111.5 |
Can the popcorn factory be far behind???! someone might want to tell Bob Ankeny at Crains that Monkfish and Tilapia are completely different fish.... | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5212 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Skulker, it seems to me that the city gives away land to developers all the time I dispute that. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1397 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127 |
Way to leave off part of the post itsjeff but it seems that the majority of developments the city is giving stuff away to make developments happen it is one of the main tools the city must use to get developers here. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3313 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
I am not opining as to whether the land transfer is appropriate or not. I am simply asking whether the transaction is keeping with economic development goals established by the city. Compuware got six and half acres for 3,500 employees at an average salary of $50,000. How many jobs is the fish farm going to create and at what salary? The City routinely rejects development on market viable City real estate if the proposed purchase price is too low or if the job creation numbers are too low. Does this project meet these threshholds? Interesting that Anderson got paid to create an economic empowerment document and is now the prime benficiary of the document's recommendations. It begs the question of whether the economic empowerment plan was crafted to be what is best for Detroiters or whether it was crafted to be what is best for Claud Anderson. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1152 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.220.230.150 |
At least they did the right thing and sell them the land by parcel instead of just setting a side a portion of land. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 589 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
*sniff* *sniff* What smells like fish? Man, I'd hate to live anywhere near there.... | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5213 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Skulker, it seems to me that the city gives away land to developers all the time to help create jobs and for development. I dispute that the City "gives away land all the time." | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1398 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.164.127 |
OK Skulker, I misunderstood you I thought you were against the transfer of land. I would love to see the economic impact study done by DEGC to determone this was a good deal for the city. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 455 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.107.138 |
Why is it lauded when other groups and organizations introduce news about buisness and employment opportunities within the city?__ but when the news is about 'black progress' it is greeted with such apathy and skeptism? Every day I read on this site about wonderful business news for this city. I get excited about any good news. Then to, I realize that most of the opportunities won't be of any importance to 'Black progress' in a city that the majority citizenship is African(american). super d(motordetroit) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6240 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.23 |
Super_d I don't think this has anything to do with color. The question is whether there will be enough financial benefit to the workers and the city to give away the land. The 'black progress' being impeded crap needs to stop. People like Bettis and Porcher are loved on this forum as are other developers. The city is working with developers of all colors and especially those with the most important color in their wallets | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 328 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
I live very pretty near the site identified in the Crain's article. Granted that the previous industrial use (now long-abandoned) probably wasn't healthy for the air and water. Now however, we know more about air and water quality. I question the potential environmental impacts of this project. Obviously there is going to be huge imapcts on our water system from aquaculture of salt water fish. Will the Maroon people get some kind of special deal so they don't have to pay for the processing? I looked up the Delmarva Seafood company. It seems that that business is on the ocean! The proposed Detroit business is between two freeways. | ||
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark Post Number: 132 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.42.79.14 |
I am loooking forward to Detroit raised salt water fish. that will be a new experience. I see fish farms in rural areas and they don't seem to be an environmental problem. Any one have real facts on these rather then speculation on risk? | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 563 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.236.136 |
I know when I think freshly caught seafood, I think Detroit. This is a fish farm, not a seafood plant. The tilapia, that the article mentions, is a fresh water, mouth-brooding, African cichlid. Ususally fish farms are located in an area to take advantage of certain resources. These fish need warm temperatures to grow and breed faster, so ideally you'd locate in an area with geothermal, or a warm, sunny clime for greenhouses, or near a power/industrial plant that produces lots of waste heat. Any of those in the area mentioned? Then after all that, you need a market that desires this product. So far, the market for tilapia in the US is meager, but could change with better marketing. ...and that's about all I know about tilapia farming. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6243 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.23 |
I don't know is that is completely correct. I believe that Wyoming has a fair number of fish farms. | ||
Urban_shocker Member Username: Urban_shocker Post Number: 235 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 63.85.13.248 |
If it helps support the city's burgeoning "You Buy, We Fry" industry, how can we go wrong? | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 564 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.236.136 |
Geothermal energy out in Idaho and Wyoming. Basically, free heat. These fish need temps above 70*, ideally around 80* constant temps. I breed similar, but smaller relatives of this fish. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6245 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.23 |
Gotcha - Thanks. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 590 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
There are lots of fish farms in Michigan (I know, my father and my boyfriend seek them out like old ladies seek out craft shows. They stink. However, about the tilapia. Tilapia is a very popular fish due to its mild flavor and how easy it is to cook. Tilapia is one of the only fish I'll buy. Of course, it's usually bagged and frozen by the time it hits the shelves of the grocery stores around here... | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 566 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.236.136 |
Now that I remember it, weren't there a lot of greenhouses around Mt Clements in the past? Growing roses I think, but anyway, they used the water from some hot springs around there, also source for the old bath houses/spas they used to have. I wonder if any of the springs are still active. I think a better idea would be to farm zebra mussels, and sell them to really, tiny Belgians. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 591 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
Something interesting from the Delmarva website. I wonder if this is going to be indoor as well? | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 259 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.136.144.196 |
While they're some shady aspect like Anderson role creating African Town concept and now his company is the one benefiting. This land according is empty for 20 years and it's not developers are fighting get this land. A plant of this size bound to create a few hundered jobs | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 569 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.236.136 |
The other fish farms in MI are for fish like trout, which require fast flowing, cold, highly oxygenated water. No way you could raise Africans {cichlids} for more than a couple of months outdoors in Detroit. Indoor facilities need lots of heat, imagine the heating bill to keep a warehouse at 80*F, and you think your home heating bill is high. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7921 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.200.240 |
Greenhouse type buildings folks. They grow produce year round in Essex County so it is quite feasible. I would suspect a return on fish would be higher than produce. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 592 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
Ahh, thanks for the clarification on that Hornwrecker. I guess for my untrained mind I can liken it to the difference between fish that can be in a fishbowl and those that need an aquarium... | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1231 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 208.44.117.10 |
Funniest line I read all day... | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 570 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.236.136 |
Which would be a perfect place to have a fish farm, next to the produce greenhouses. Fish waste water would fertilize the crops, and waste veggies, like lettuce, could be used to partially feed the fish. Co-location has some benefits, not sure about this plan. So far I haven't seen any details about the fish operations to see if it doable. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 329 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
Bismarck, N.D. — North Dakota's fish farming industry, regarded as a promising alternative to livestock production more than a decade ago, has virtually vanished -- and industry experts say it isn't likely to reappear. The state's last aquaculture operation, a Lakota company that grew tilapia for live shipment to markets in Canada was destroyed in a June fire. Other fish farming ventures in Williston, Kulm, Binford and Beulah went out of business years before. Any North Dakota fish producer would start with a number of disadvantages, said Kevin Fitzsimmons, a University of Arizona environmental science professor and treasurer of the American Tilapia Association. Tilapia is favored by fish producers because it can be grown in crowded conditions, and is more tolerant of poor water quality. It produces a light, flaky fillet with a mild flavor. However, tilapia farms require a consistent source of warm water for the fish, which means extra energy costs. The low cost of tilapia filets imported from Central America and elsewhere have forced U.S. producers to concentrate on market demand for live tilapia. The market can be lucrative, but it represents only about 5 percent of the total demand for the fish, Fitzsimmons said. Shipping tilapia also is an expensive proposition. Special trucks are needed to get it to cities like Chicago, New York, Winnipeg, Toronto and Vancouver. "Shipping is a big deal, and you're a long ways from those markets," former Gov. Ed Schafer said. "You have a specialized truck, a specialized hauler, and you've got to pump oxygen into the water as you're going down the road. It costs more." Tony Hamling of Williston built a tilapia farm inside a building that once housed his farm equipment dealership, and began producing fish in 1995. His customers included fish buyers in Toronto and New York City. But rising costs for shipping and feed, and fish prices of about 80 cents a pound, were no longer tolerable, Hamling said. "The freight got pretty high, taking them that far," he said. "For every dollar you've got to spend for freight, you have less profit. It just didn't work out any more." | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3315 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
Link to the article please? So, will this project be impacted by the high heating costs? Will high heating costs be offset by being 5 drive hours from Toronto and Chicago, 10 drive hours from New York, 12 drive hours from Boston? | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1630 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.28 |
One thing I didn't get out of SWmap's article... are live Tilapia (as opposed to frozen fillets)used for eating, or for fish stock in home aquariums? | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 385 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
Fraud Anderson is a joke and the DEGC, as is CPC, weak for caving into the demands of a few members of city council, i.e. - Watson, Collins and company. I think it's insane for the city to give up this much land for $1 a parcel for something that isn't going to work nor create jobs nor increase the tax base. If this abandoned land has been in the city's control for years, then the DEGC and CPC has failed again b/c it should have been able to attract a developer. The article says Fraud's in LA raising capital ... Why isn't he in Detroit asking the 87% AA city residents to invest in Ujama? That's why this city ain't goin nowhere. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 330 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
This is the link: www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/InNews/ NDfarm2005.htm I only sent this article along because someone mentioned North Dakota above. From my morning's perusal of acticles on Talapia farming, I no longer worry about environmental imapacts of this project on SW Detroit. I also learned that talapia is a popular fish in the Mexican community - so there's a natural market for the fresh fish right in Detroit. | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 925 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
Carpetbagging. But that land wasn't the hottest real estate around. Get your fish fry on! | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 331 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
tilapia - not as I hastily wrote, Talapia." I am influenced by Taqueria Tapitia! | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2814 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Despite all of the attention-whoring Mr. Anderson used in getting his ideas out there, I think this is a win for the city. An empty lot, shown no interest for years in an already industrial area that someone wants to utilize to create jobs and provide a popular service within the city? You can't get too much better than that. BTW, Tilapia is a hell of a fish. Mild and healthy. But, Mr. Anderson does need to stop the "I'm in in for the Black community" aulterism ploy, though. He's a businessman; he's in it, first, for the money with anything else being an added bonus. | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 156 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.90.190 |
super_d " Black Power " salute. Super you know that the Doctor have haters.In the beginning when he announced AfricanTown the Mexicians,Asians,Chinesee,and other ethic groups dis approved of AfricanTown.Yet each one that I named did not bitch about when we ate in their restaurants and they welcomed our money we spent in Mexician Town and ChinaTown,and the rest of them towns. Super_D I agree with what you said when you posted this.Why is it lauded when other groups and organizations introduce news about buisness and employment opportunities within the city?__ but when the news is about 'black progress' it is greeted with such apathy and skeptism? Every day I read on this site about wonderful business news for this city. I get excited about any good news. Then to, I realize that most of the opportunities won't be of any importance to 'Black progress' in a city that the majority citizenship is African(american). Also super_d you know the odds will always be against us,and whoever said that the Doctor Anderson hates Blacks is white,and 9 out of 10 they dis-approve of the concept of AfricanTown. | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2615 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.31.3 |
Would you work in a fish farm for minimum wage, william_x? And, as the article points out, retail could follow. Not a foregone conclusion, so it's not as if people will be able to spend there money there as they can in Mexicantown or Greektown. This is a boondoggle, but whatever. A rich black man gets richer, a white rich man gets richer. No difference. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5216 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
...and 9 out of 10 they dis-approve of the concept of AfricanTown. Along with Mayor Kilpatrick. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 332 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
A "boondoggle" indeed. I imagine that the land is contaminated. Someone will have to pay to fix it. Taxpayers? This operation will never be very big. Evidently, fish farms and processors aren't labor-intensive. How labor intensive is any single meat processing business in Eastern Market? It will never be any more than small potatoes - but it will make people happy. | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 386 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
Brothaman: Name one Mexicantown/Chinatown privately owned restuarant/business in the City of Detroit that got their property for $1! The only thing Mexicantown businesses have got from the City are metermaids that drive around giving more tickets to the people shopping and spending their money in the community. Furthermore, all the illegal immigrants opposed Fraud's $112,000 City of Detroit taxpayer funded report that unfairly and incorrectly portrayed them - NOT Africantown! BTW: Let's see if Fraud offers YOU an opportunity to participate in Ujama! (Message edited by Morena on December 19, 2005) | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 159 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.90.190 |
" yuck " Jmy8 I can't stand the smell of fish.I do not buy fish from a fish market,but I will buy whiting,cod,peach from a muslim place that sells cooked fish,and I love the process they use to fry the fish.To answer your question Jmy8 if I had to I would when it come to supporting my family,and cleaning fish is far safer then robbing someone. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1870 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.224.107 |
This is good news for Detroit...I will take fish over cars anyday at this point! | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 170 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.73.199.23 |
Caseyc: You're right of course; tilapia and monkfish are entirely different species. The Crain's author, Bob Ankeny, probably got his info from F. Anderson, the promoter, and didn't check it out. And that figures. Anyone who came up with this harebrained scheme not only can't tell the difference between tilapia and monkfish, they're lucky to know the difference between a catfish and a housecat. | ||
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo Post Number: 388 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.212.63.213 |
ILD... Think about what you just said... | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 160 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.90.190 |
ilovedetroit. here is a few nice fried fish spots here on the west of of Woodward.The Fish Nook on Second and Seward.Fish Express on Grand River.Fish Sandwich & More on Joy Rd.and Manhatten Fish on Woodward south of Davison.I mentioned muslim cooked style fish,but these places I just mentioned is good,and AfricanTown will add a soulfood style clique to Detroit. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2816 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
And when is Africantown going through? Oh yeah... Sure, this isn't something huge. It's a story of another small operation setting up in Detroit, but every operation counts big or small. All things considered (i.e. location, current use of site or lack there of, job creation...) no one should be complaining. If this would have been anyone else proposing this I can assure you all that this would have taken a different course, if even only slightly. If the objectors do not like the idea of a fish farm at this location and by this developer, what would you prefer for this industrial site that has been layed bare for 20+ years? | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1634 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.148 |
Detroitduo.... lol... I was thinking the same thing! Maybe Sharon converted him! | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3249 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.24 |
typical Skulker plays at a double standard. When posting about compuware, he doesn't mention the $200 million in tax breaks that was awarded to Compuware for their HQ. He also does not mention how Compuware did not live up to its promises, or was it that Dennis Archer did not live up to his promises, about the number of jobs promised for that project or that originally the jobs were supposed to be for Detroiters as stated in the mayors press release.
Then skulker states this in contrast to what is being done at the BC development. The government is paying a high cost there with no promise on the number of jobs or how much the BC will put back into the economy nor how long before the BC generates positive tax flow after the tax breaks where off. (Or if the BC will ever make a profit.) Super_d, you hit the nail on the head. These folks are waiting for their chance to vote against Affirmative Action Too. Massiv untruth by Southwestmap. Hornweecker obviously does not know the market for seafood in Detroit's Black community. But it doesn't stop him from posting his own market analysis.
After he did some more reading he came up with this line; Which brings to light why Detroit is a chosen destination. Perhaps also why this type of venture has failed elsewhere. Nowhere in the article did it mention a wage.
And as far as what fish would be produced in Detroit it said this
Where does he produce tilapia. Why did folks think he would produce the same here? Is it because they hate the good Doctor? Oops, here he goes again,
Funny how those infamous brownfield tax monies from the state just seem to vanish from this conversation but they are mentioned as being used in the BC! | ||
Dodgemain Member Username: Dodgemain Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.41.191.58 |
Brian, I'm not sure if I bye in to everything you said in that last post, but that was a hell of an effort. Had to take some time. | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 162 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.90.190 |
super_d I was thinking about the truth you posted earlier and I don't care what nobody say the situation isn't just about politics its about control.Most people who post on here isn't effected by proverty or a finance burden,and that's why they boost about how they live,and most make money here in Detroit but spend the money elsewhere.Detroit isn't a good place to build a fish farm,but its a perfect place to host a fish fry,and most fish farms is along the Michigan shores of Lake Erie,Detroit River,Lake St Clair,and Anchor Bay where fish hatcheries is usually located.However I don't see what fish have to do with developing a African American (Black) business district. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1871 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.224.107 |
Detroitduo - Thanks good catch. I need to amend my statement thanks for watching my back pal. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 576 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.72.244 |
No, I didn't. Someone else posted that. I was correcting some errors in the Crain article, and explaining a bit about what is entailed in fish farming, which the article didn't. Please forgive me for venturing to voice my opinion. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit with whatever motives you are trying to attribute to my postings. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3250 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.24 |
This is your very first thing you wrote in this thread, You were not correcting errors, you put in your opinion. BUT your opinion was based on false statements you put into the thread topic. The article does not say what type of fish will be produced nor does it mention how the other fish farm is producing its fish. The article does not draw any conclusions nor does it present any assumptions. Your posts are full of conclusions and assumptions based on your own opinion which have nothing to do with this thread topic. Also, I am sure that there is more than one species of fish farmed. So your lone species, or type of fish is far from providing what is entailed in the industry. There are different methods of achieving the same results, but you only provide the things you feel will make this project look like a negative. Get your motives straight. As for my pronouns and quotes, its not my fault if folks can't read or can follow along with who said what. Are they reading this thread of just my posts? | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 459 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
'William_x'The Hope is that National and International industries, like fish factories will generate a industrial revolution for our people__ to generate a vertical wealth system for Blacks__ on the belief that our communities will be rebuilt thru industries such the fish factories. Once the communities are rebuilt(as far as industries) this will allow greater wealth, income, employment, and power-building opportunities. Also the fish industries will be the basis for a vertical plan that will create a mechanism for controlling each level of business within the industry. William_x I admit it sounds rather bleek, taking in consideration the our people have been program not to identify with anything Black__ The question would be, can we become healthy enough to understand the process__ and like many of these forumers(including myself) have missed the thrust of the PowerNomics report. This is why it is greeted with such skeptism. I would suggest to you William_x and the rest of ma' peeps to go pick up the book, "PowerNomics",The National Plan to Empower Black America",by Dr.Anderson. I have been to two PowerNomic meetings here in Detroit and most people were excited about the plan__ I donated 100 bucks myself to support the plan. Many more fortunate people donated much more than I did. This is a plan that Black people cannot afford to NOT support. super d(motordetroit) | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 577 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.72.244 |
Brian, I won't play semantics with you, and obviously levity can never be used on any subject dealing with Detroit. I'll leave it at that, as this issue has some other meanings that I have nary a clue about. Here I was hoping for a discussion on the merits of fish farming since I've bred similar fish for over twenty years, but obviously my inherent racism got the better of me. Oops. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2821 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Wouldn't it be helpful if for just once these posts wouldn't be railroaded off topic? The bigger picture here isn't some deep, racial alturism, it's about rebuilding the city's tax base. All types of people have the ability to get jobs at this place since you can't discriminate on race, be they black, white, hispanic... In the end, it's going to provide some jobs (if even low-paying), but more importantly it's going to make Mr. Anderson richer than he already is. Whoever's buying into his PowerNomics alturism is fooling themselves, and you're being taken for a ride. | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.136.142.1 |
A seafood plant? Ummm sounds like something you'd build in one of the Sim City games. I don't get it. Powernomics and popcorn and seafood?? I honestly couldn't dream up something worse. embarrassing. Super_d - is it too late to get your $100 bucks back? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2822 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
What could be worse, you ask? How about an empty, industrial lot in city full of empty, industrial lots. I don't see why there is such criticism for this project. I'd take issue if this was on prime real estate, but it's not and will provide jobs however few that may be. There have been countless small industries that have set up on empty, industrial lots in the city. I don't know why this should garner such incredible criticism outside of who is proposing it. If you can think of a much better use for this particular lot, please, let us know. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 678 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131 |
Sounds like a place Homer Simpson would work at.  | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 643 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146 |
Ahh, African seafood; my favorite. I especially like Zimbabwean cod. | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 169 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.45.70 |
1953 its posters like you who make topics worth commenting on,and people seem to always post negetive crap,and when they get hit back they want to cry Racism.You right 1953 African style cooked seafood is the thing here in Detroit. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 646 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146 |
I think the best thing about Zimbabwean cod is that it comes from a land locked country. Land locked countries always have the best seafood. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 333 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
William_x, you are being put on... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2824 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Southwest, don't tell him...I want to enjoy everything unfolding. lol Poor thing. He doesn't even know. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 580 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 12.64.55.90 |
Since another thread has degenerated, I might as well butcher Shakespeare: Cry Haddock, and let slip the cods of war! | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2826 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
To continue the silliness... And God said onto Claude Anderson, "Ye shall build a house of fish on these hallowed grounds, and thusly your people shall be unshackled of the chains of ecnomic slavery and provide cod, tilapia, and all other fish of the sea in adundance to all those that want. Today, ye shall be fishers of fish. So let it be written, so let it be done...yada, yada, yada, and other biblical cliches." | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 170 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.12.220 |
Gee Gosh Southwest Really? | ||
Bertz Member Username: Bertz Post Number: 475 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.61.15.89 |
nice try william x, but we all know you took that hook line and sinker | ||
Busterwmu Member Username: Busterwmu Post Number: 175 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 67.102.76.132 |
I hope this development will take advantage of the rail line running directly through the specified area. It's the old C&O West Detroit Branch which is switched daily by CSX from Oak Yard. Additional business would not be a bad thing on that line! | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 583 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.70.12 |
Anybody have any idea what was on this land before? Looking at the OCF thread database and old maps, I can't find anything listed for what I'm assuming to this plot of land; just north of Livernois and Tireman, and north of the Edison yard (former Lincoln Motors). I guess I'll have to go to old aerials. Wacky idea of the day: Step 1: Locate near the incinerator, add heat exchangers for either hot water/L.P. steam system to heat fish farm, burn garbage. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 2216 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.15.105 |
The vacant field on the east side of the tracks is the site of the former Holley Carburetor factory (NW corner Vancouver & Epworth). Holley moved out in the 1960's so I don't know what the most recent use was. 1981:  http://techtools.culma.wayne.edu/media/wayne/1981/17562-10-284.pdf | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 172 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.12.220 |
Bertz do you think Blacks is damn fools? In your statement it seems that way,but don't become the fool of your own statement,and replying to statements like yours is what keeps shit going,and believe me that's for real......Next. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 585 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 65.140.157.150 |
Thanks Mikem, not only do you answer my question, but fill in a blank on the OCFdb that I missed, the Holley location. | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 67 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.149.141.170 |
I'm not clear on what African Town is supposed to be. The city is mostly black, so wouldn't the things that are culturally "black" already be in the city? Most of the city is already african town. Is "low-paying fish-farming jobs" what people were thinking when they decided on African town? I think I got mixed up somewhere. I think that the fish farm is good though. | ||
Bertz Member Username: Bertz Post Number: 477 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.61.15.89 |
William_x, No, I do not think or did I even imply that "Blacks is damn fools" in my retort (which was focused at you and you alone) to your unwillingness to except the fact that you have been tricked and furthermore only a fool could have derived your implied meaning from said retort. Really, how does the foolishness of one individual imply that ALL his brothers and sisters are fools as well? (Message edited by bertz on December 21, 2005) | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 2832 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Jason, Africantown (as originally proposed) seems to have been dropped for the time being. What Anderson got out of the whole smoke and mirrors plot of his was that he got the city to declare Detroit's Black population the "majority minority," and a few other smaller things, along with publicity for any future endeavors in town. This has little to do with Africantown, IMO. And it would probably best not to let that cat out of the bag, again, seeing as how it has little relevance to this particular development project, unless Anderson is going to attempt to make another push. Either that, or I'm really missing something, here, and this is the actual starting project for Africantown. | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 465 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.76.31 |
'jasoncw' Blacks make up 90% of the residents in the city___ but Black ownership is about 10%__of which is mostly homeownership. See tha' problem? In a democractic society it don't suppose to work like that. http://washingtontimes.com/nat ional//20041008-123152-7116r.h tm super d(motordetroit) | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2355 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
 Bubba: Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it. Bubba: Have you ever been on a shrimp boat? Forrest Gump: No, but I've been on a real big boat. | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 2170 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.24.59 |
(Message edited by track75 on December 21, 2005) | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 587 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.157.236.33 |
To re-jack this thread back on topic, here is a good overview about basic aquaculture: http://www.attra.org/attra-pub /aquaculture.html Here is a list of beginning publications for you budding young aquaculturists out there: Links to papers on specific species and methods. Judging by what I've read so far, and by what I know, tilapia are about the only economic food-fish that can be raised in a freshwater, closed (recycling) system. Probably Oreochromis niloticus or a similar species. Tiger prawns would be ian interesting idea, but know of no current recycle systems for it. Perhaps Brian can educate me about what species he thinks will be bred and raised on Livernois: Thelonius Monkfish?  If you don't understand any of the above links, please stick to your political bickering, and don't try to berate me about my uniformed postings about aquaculture. I am very interested in this topic, and personally wish that it succeeds, however, there is more to it than just throwing some fish into a bathtub. (Now with correct link goodness) (Message edited by Hornwrecker on December 21, 2005) | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 176 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.45.168 |
Bertz come on Dude get real.You can't focus on me because you don't know me,and as far as you know I can be full of shit like some of you is on here.Your Post: nice try william x, but we all know you took that hook line and sinker. Again you don't know if I fail for the bullcrap or not.Maybe Bertz I should asked who was I tricked by? since you know so damn much.I must put this out on this site concerning people who seem to always think they know the person behind these screen names.I do not fear being banned from NO internet site for expresiing my opinions,and counterattacking any post that contains false or slandering information.There is some very interesting topics on this site that can be discussed in a mature manner,yet some seem to think this site is a coverup to bullie people.In closing Bertz as far as the hook and sinker goes that can be ones conclusion,and most arguments do bloom from personal attacks,lies,and anything else that one might believe. | ||
William_x Member Username: William_x Post Number: 177 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 4.165.45.168 |
Anything that would bring about a change to the inner-city I am game for that.Especially when it come to Black Businesses. | ||
Bertz Member Username: Bertz Post Number: 479 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.61.15.89 |
"I can be full of shit" ....no shit The rest of your thoughtless ramblings are not worthy of a response. |
