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Reetz12
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was told this weekend that the Motown Buildings and their infamous blue windows are to be torn down before the Superbowl. They are to start asap with three shifts on the abatement of the asbestos to meet the schedule. When/if this happens, what would be the ideal replacement for that property...residential? commercial? or mix?

I feel that the Ellington style lofts would work, with store fronts for a variety of new stores and lofts to add more foot traffic to the ever growing residential representation in the area.
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Bussey
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

source?
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The_nerd
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I guess Mr. Gordy never finalized his plans for the motown museum. That's a damn shame that Diana Ross and others can't give a few concerts to raise cash for a proper motown museum, while Cleveland (of all places) has a rock n'roll hall of fame.
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Ray1936
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while Cleveland (of all places) has a rock n'roll hall of fame.

Yeah, I never could really figure that out, either.
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Burnsie
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Doesn't surprise me, but...Who's your source on this? If the demo is really happening, you shouldn't have a problem revealing him or her.
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Detroitduo
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If they were going to tear it down... why am I looking at all the safety netting wrapping the buildings? It'll make a nice expanded parking lot, though....
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Ddaydave
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I was walking by that on the way to a tiger game and it was wide open so I took a few minute tour ..it is in ruff shape but I still would love to see someone fix it up
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Burnsie
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Detroitduo-- Maybe the facade is unsound, and the netting is to keep pieces of it from falling onto the sidewalk and street. That's what was done on some of the Statler, s. end of Washington side.
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Jt1
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Or the netting is for asbestos containment while some is ebing stripped out.
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Adamjab19
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You know I like the building too and think it would be optimal for lofts seeing as it would ahve some wide open floor plans, but it is way to damn close to the freeway. Imagine taking someone to your second floor window and seeing the gross freeway right outside rushing by. There seems to be this big rush to turn EVERY abandoned building into lofts or apartments and I just think this is one of them that would not have worked out to well.Maybe offices would have been good but that area needs to be residential.

I know that crosswinds is right along the freeway as well but I think it makes a big deal that those places aren't as tall and looking over the freeway, they are just sitting next to it. Maybe a little picky but tear it down and build some commercial property there and set the housing a little further in like on those parking lots!
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Skulker
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The plan for the Motown Center has long contemplated the demolition of the buildings. Their demolition is nothing new or news worthy at this point. I question the three shift abatement rumor. Could be true but full abatement and demo of those two buildings would likely take more than the 45 or so days remaining till Superbowl.

There are some very good reasons the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. One, they can legitimately, or at least in most peoples eyes legitimately, claim to having the first "rock and roll" deejay. Two, they were willing to pony up the cash while Detroiters can't seem to get enough together to make the Motown Center happen.
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The_nerd
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I've always thought that the "First RnR DJ" was a weak link for Cleveland, but whatever, they have it(it's quite nice, brings in visitors and has an excellent collection), we don't. End of story.

Part of it was funded by Cleveland and the state, but I've always figured that with the talent that Detroit created that some of them could throw a few concerts and help raise money.
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Dpd_blue
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The new Joe Louis Arena would go nice there.
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Royce
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It just doesn't make sense to me that if you want to build a legacy to Motown and its history that you would tear down a building that was a part of that history.

I'm old enough to remember the Motown Building along the Fisher Freeway and its trademark "M". That building should be preserved and connected to the new museum complex, if it ever happens. Again, it makes a lot of sense, "Let's honor the history of Motown by tearing down a part of Motown."
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Detroitwonk
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Has anyone found anything concrete (no pun intended) on whether demolition is actually going to occur? Reefz-what's your source?
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Gumby
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I have it on good authority that all the little chicks with the crimson lips yell Cleveland rocks.
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Gistok
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It's always sad when something along Woodward comes down. The west side of Woodward, looking northward from around where Hudson's used to be is a wonderful wall or "promenade" of grand structures, that are reminiscent of the streets of monumental buildings found in New York or Chicago. And at the end of that grand vista was the Motown Building...
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Mackinaw
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This is very disappointing if true.
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Dnvn522
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The new Joe Louis Arena would go nice there."


http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/1003/thunderalley/Motownan djla.jpg

(Message edited by dnvn522 on December 20, 2005)
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Noggin
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Wasn't Stevie Wonder going to run for mayor a few years ago. Doesn't he have any interest?
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Cushkid
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Stevie Wonder says it looks fine the way it is
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Gaia
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> Or the netting is for asbestos containment while some is ebing stripped out.

Nope. Asbestos fibers are quite small and abatement typically takes place under pressurized conditions or with some good ol distance from non-protected peoples. Depending on what types of materials contain asbestos, you'd be supprised how fast it can be removed.
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Jt1
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My bad. I thought someone had told me the netting helped contain larger chunks of material that may contain asbestos.

Guess I will drink my glass of STFU this afternoon.

Appreciate the correction.
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Gaia
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I think you're right about netting holding larger chunks of material in general though...I've just never heard of it being used in / for abatement purposes.

(Message edited by Gaia on December 20, 2005)
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Danny
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HAH! I don't think so yet.
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Missnmich
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Rock and Hall of Fame should be in Memphis!

But Motown is enough of a phenomenon in itself, to warrant more than the house on W. Grand Blvd.

I wish the stars from all the genres that Detroit has given to the world would pay back the city with a little investment.
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Wilus1mj
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Why are the called Motown Buildings?? What's the history behind them?
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Hornwrecker
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Choose one of the following:

  • [ . ] Tear that SCHITT down!
  • [ . ] That's not our history.
  • [X] They're destroying our history/heritage.
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Gogo
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[X] Maybe the 100 building hit list isn't such an exaggeration.

Its intersting that some argue how obsurd the mention of such a list is despite the continued demolition of buildings downtown.

The riverfront buildings, three buildings in Merchants Row, new MGM Grand site, the building where Greektown Casino was going to build their permanent casino off Gratiot, a few buildings to make way for the 1001 Woodward parking garage, the Olde Building, and others.

Perservationists have made a fuss over just two buildings, the Madison Lenox and the Statler, and yet they are portrayed as anti-development and obstructionists.

While I have no idea whether such a hit list exists or not, a list of buildings that actually have been torn down in the last few years continues to grow. So, some will continue to ask where this hit list is, but you only need to add up the number of buildings that have been torn down, or that have plans to be torn down to see that such an idea isn't all that obsurd.
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Toolbox
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quote:

Wilus1mj

Why are the called Motown Buildings?? What's the history behind them?




It is the building Motown moved to from it's Grand Blvd location.
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Bertz
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Hay Ras, where are ya with your "Tear that SCHITT down!" crap or do I detect a double standard, that any old dilapidated building is ok so long as part of its history is black.

It will be a real shame when this part of Detroit histoy is gone.

(Message edited by bertz on December 20, 2005)
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Genesyxx
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I'd be more than happy to help out with a pickaxe. I was just asking about this land a week ago, and (supposedly) I have my answer. Still no clue as to what'll be next. Given the neighborhood (It's still Cass Corridor to me), it might be a little rough to sell off, seeing as how it's where the crackheads roam and the hookers live (don't ask me how I know that).
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Mcnamara
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where is detroitwonk, he knows about that kind of thing....
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Michigansheik
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mmm, crack and asbestos, best way to keep warm
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Border5150
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Quote: "That's a damn shame that Diana Ross and others can't give a few concerts to raise cash for a proper motown museum"

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No, the REAL damn shame is the fact that Diana Ross is the biggest reason Motown left Detroit for LA in the first place. Barry Gordy was bangin' her at the time, and she wanted to be a movie star. So, he moved the company to California to try and get into the film biz, and that's when things went south for Motown.

I'd love to see a REAL Motown museum too, but with the way Gordy left the city, I doubt it will happen. Plus, I think it would require the support of Atlantic Records, or whoever the hell owns the Motown name these days...
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Irish_mafia
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enough of Motown! For those of us who remember Motown as that stupid ad with the guy saying "but dad, its Smokey!"...its just one part of what Detroit has brought to the entertainment world. Detroit's insistence on focusing on this one genre while ignoring the rest has let the world view us as one more has been joint that invites the likes of post-life rockers from England to sing at our superbowl.

So what should we be doing?

Glad you asked!

The Detroit Entertainment Hall of Fame.

With Everything from the original Lone Ranger and Soupy Sales through Alice Cooper, Bob Seegar, Madonna and Eminem stuff....down to the latest greatest coming out of our clubs today and record labels like Mack Avenue that still are providing vibrant music...All of the live albums that have been put out using Detroit's audiences.....

Great writers sections including Elmore Leonard (and the associated movies)...etc, etc..

it would blow away Cleveland or anywhere else if marketed correctly!

Set it up near CBD.

Along with a Bar Auditorium down the way that will broadcast "Live from Detroit Rock City" nationally syndicated on rock stations across the land.... (Pull Don Was into the picture).

There is a huge opportunity if someone would actually jump on it(not me, I have a day job).
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Ddaydave
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Dnvn522 could you move the joe over just a little your going to take out the comet bar
http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/1003/thunderalley/Motownan djla.jpg
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Hornwrecker
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Irish_mafia, never happen. It makes too much sense.
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Jt1
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great idea Irish.
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Gistok
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Maybe if we start a rumor that it is white suburbanites who want to tear down the Motown Center cuz they need more parking for Hockeytown Cafe...... maybe the uproar will put a ka-bosh onto it?

I don't want to see it go.... even though it was only used for 3 years by Motown (1969-72). It's still part of OUR history (African-Americans AND Whites).
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Citylover
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An interesting idea but it ignores one critical thing, the uniqueness of motown.Motown wa special in that as Nelson George wrote many years the purpose was to create music that whites could not immitate and to deliberately make "hit" records for am car radios.
Personally I love the motown museum.It is so much hipper than something contrived like the hall of fame in cleveland.So whatever becomes of(if anything)the proposed motown center the museum will always be the place because that is where it all originated.
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Dnvn522
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quote:

Dnvn522 could you move the joe over just a little your going to take out the comet bar




LOL! Everyone knows we can't put the Joe there...not enough parking. ;)
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Goat
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FYI, the Superbowl is NOT Detroit's Superbowl. It is the NFL Superbowl and has NEVER been about the host city.
Other than that good post Irish_mafia.

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