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Jt1
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20051220/M ETRO/512200366/1003

Here's the numbers and comparisons to last year.

First half comparisons
2004: 7875
2005: 9440

2004 totals: 15913

2004 (First half): 7875
2004 (Seconf half): 8083

To stay even with 2004 there would need to be 6473 violent crimes. A drop of 19% over last year and 31% over the first half of the year.

Not looking too good for the city. I wonder if Ella is going to have a presser to give an explanation as to what is going on.

I believe unemployement stayed about the same in the city so that probably isn't a factor.

DPD - Any guesses what has happended this year as opposed to last year?
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Track75
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Where have you been, Jt1??? This has been in the news for a full six hours now! Yer slacking on the crime beat.
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Futurecity
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 2:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Less patrolling, slower response time, incompetent leadership at every level.
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Jt1
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Major issues at work. Sorry for the delay.
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Danny
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YAY!!! More crime means less police protection for Detroiters. That's what happen if you all vote for BLACK CAESAR KILLpatrick.
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Mind_field
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Major issues at work? (like actually doing your job?) Just kidding, Jt1.

Oh yeah, guess what they moved the superbowl to January!! Unless they fixed the article, but that's what it said early this morning.
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Eric
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quote:

Detroit, it showed the number of murders had dropped nearly 10 percent compared to the first six months of 2004, but the number of assaults had increased 29 percent and the number of robberies was up 8 percent. Overall, 9,440 violent crimes were reported to Detroit police between January and June.





It's right in the article assualts are way up so it definately not unemployment. Could this be due to the increase in the number of bars in the city?

(Message edited by eric on December 20, 2005)
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Jt1
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No - The CBD contributes very little to total population and total crime. The rest of the city is not seeing any major increase in bard.
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Super_d
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Detroit's Black Male unemployment population 46%.

Crime is a causative effect of unemployment.

Dr. Anderson hurry with your national plan.

Black men are in trouble.

super d(motordetroit)
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Southwestmap
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"Less patrolling, slower response time, incompetent leadership at every level."

This is the absolute truth. The DPD in SW Detroit is in absolute chaos. There is absolutely no "institutional knowledge" - no continuity. The commander never calls back. He is pleasant as heck, but a know-nothing.

Now I hear that the new center on Fort St. - new, clean, modern "digs" that the rank and file was really looking forward to - is going to be reserved for admin-types and the patrols are going to be moved even further away to Grand River and Schaefer.

Way to go DPD brass. It's all about you, isnt it?
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Danny
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Super_d,

Black-folks in Detroit are ready to crash and burn. The suburbs want Detroit for their reclaiming. It's going to take more that Dr. FRAUD Anderson's Africantown knowhow fix black-folks some jobs.
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Lmichigan
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And you should know how to crash and burn, Danny. That's some good advice.

Detroit needs far more and far better then Claud Anderson and his snake-oil PowerNomics program. To think the city's majority minority population can all be solved with this prgram for just x-amount of dollars is not only irresponsible, but harmful. Detroit doesn't need to be sold on anything, and it doesn't need a man with his "get rich quick" schemes. Has no one seen Music Man? lol
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Barnesfoto
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"The DPD in SW Detroit is in absolute chaos."
This is no joke. While my little pocket of the city is pretty quiet, my old hood at Vernor and The Blvd. has been plagued with breakins lately. Twice last month, friend of mine saw daytime B&Es in progress. Twice the police were called. Twice the answer was "Sorry sir, we have no cars available!
Old Fourth Pct. is closed, Third Pct. is handling all of SWD-which has a larger popluation than ten years ago- And there was no increase in the number of personell or cars-That would be the logical outcome of merging two precincts, yes?
If what SWM says is true, (New Public safety mall will be just admin!??!) then Southwest Detroit needs to get off its' ass and make some noise.
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Bucho
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KWAME = HIGHER CRIME, Simple economics people, more money for Kwame, less money for police, fire, school, etc...

Or does the "Get Rich or Die Trying" lifestyle want less police?
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Futurecity
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The "Get Rich or Die Trying" lifestyle definitely wants less police.
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Alexei289
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anyway neighborhoods can pool together and start bringing in private security? I know this is expensive... but there are PLENTY of neighborhood associations out in the burbs that have patrol cars (and really dont need them)... Im sure in a neighborhood that really needs constant eyes and ears and some backbone i wonder how many neighbors would be willing to pay 50-100$ a month with other neighbors to atleast keep the shit out of some neighborhoods? Not only that but this would free up police from various patrol bullshit in that area and only to be called in for back...

I dunno, it works in other areas... Ive heard indian village does this (or did), and that area (minus a few incidents) keeps its head above water... It works great in condos and such...
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quote:

Im sure in a neighborhood that really needs constant eyes and ears and some backbone i wonder how many neighbors would be willing to pay 50-100$ a month with other neighbors to atleast keep the shit out of some neighborhoods?



The problem is, there are a lot of people who can't afford an extra $50 - 100 a month on top of the taxes and insurance that they're already paying.

What happens to them?
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Jt1
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There is also a problem where the local groups like that can help deter crime but if the need arises they are only as strong as the local precinct in the situation when they require DPD support.
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Goat
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Doesn't help much when the people don't trust the police either. Why be chummy with someone who may be putting your brither, sister or Father in prison the next day? This is a cycle that those in poverty have to face on a daily basis.
The city should be putting police protection at the forefront of any budget deliberation especially with a city that has a crime problem. The last thing needed is to slash the DPD funding. But I guess politicians have never really been any good as putting the right priorities in place. Not making those who need the protection most pay for other security measures.
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Fnemecek
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quote:

The city should be putting police protection at the forefront of any budget deliberation especially with a city that has a crime problem. The last thing needed is to slash the DPD funding.



On this, we are in complete agreement.
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Alexei289
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Of course there will be many that cannot afford it... same thing with a backyard and front porch... but im sure there are many that could pay it... considering thats about how much everyone's heating bill went up this year per month... If you ask me... having some protection from getting your shit ganked it pretty high on the priority list... especially if it comes back in a good way in terms of property values.
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Compn
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why not just go door to door in your neighboorhood and meet the neighbors. have everyone do it aka a community watch?

then when you find 'the element', as a neighboorhood you can group together to get them evicted. you would only have to do this once, and when new people move in.

cheaper than a 'security force' and safer than getting a gun to protect yourself. but somehow i doubt it would work, doesn't everyone hate their neighbors?
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Well a neighborhood watch might work, if when someone spots something going on at a neighbor's house and they call 911, the police actually show up.
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Alexei289
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... which half the time they wont, and the response time sux if they do... Police dont prevent crime... unfortunatly, they can only do something about it.

Having private security will keep pieces of shit out of atleast some parts of the city...

Unfortunatly, we must all realise the truth that we can never rid ourselves of all of them... and the best we can do is heard them into one place eventually... where they can live out their misiry. From there things get easier to tackle once your not fighting it from everywhere.

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