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Jt1
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A friend forwarded me this article. And I thought the guy loved the city. Isn't that what he always claims?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s tories/M/MI_INSECURE_DETROIT_M IOL-?SITE=MIPON&SECTION=STATE& TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


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Even some of the city's biggest boosters acknowledge that Detroit's reputation precedes it.

Detroit native Mike Ilitch, founder of the Little Caesars pizza chain, said when he's away from home and people ask where he's from, he sometimes hesitates - and then says, "Bloomfield Hills," the name of the affluent suburb where he lives today.

"And they'll say, `Where's Bloomfield Hills?' and I say, `Well, just outside of Detroit - we have beautiful suburbs,'" said Ilitch, 76. "I say, `Our suburbs'll stand up against any in the country.'"


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Gogo
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Ilitch is a boob.
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Gistok
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Doesn't he live in Bingham Farms?

Also, the $275 million he said his family will invest over the next 2 years.... at first I thought wow, maybe they'll do something with their downtown real estate... but then it dawned on me... $275 million... that's the cost for the MotorCity Casino expansion. :-(
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Psip
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What is pizzaboy up to this time?
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Detroitwonk
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I think y'all may be looking too much into his comment...I also think that Sarah Karush was taking that comment in a different way than Ilitch probably meant it. He may have been doing what many suburbanites do when confronted with the same question...wanting to say "Detroit" in order to provide easy geographical reference and identification for outsiders to acknowledge the location they are from, while at the same time unsure of saying it because they don't actually live in the "City of Detroit"...
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Detroit_stylin
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Bullshyt Wonk...
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Arab_guyumich
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I second that. Who that heck knows where Bloomfield Hills is outside of SE Michigan?

I've met plenty of folks who live in suburban Chicago--if they're from Naperville, they say they're from Chicago, not Naperville. It doesn't work that way in Detroit.

(Message edited by arab_guyumich on December 21, 2005)
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Detroit_stylin
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This is the only region in the country where those from the burbs refucse to say they are from the D...

Wonk your statement is baseless...
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Old_southwest
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I agree, I always tell people I'm from Detroit. I also live in the "suburbs" now.
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Jimelnino
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I always tell people I'm from Detroit, if the Tigers hat doesn't give it away first :-)

I don't see why this is an issue, people don't know what suburbs there are around here, so saying Detroit makes sense.

I get annoyed when someone will tell me what suburb their from, and I'll be like "wheres that?", "Oh, just right outside *insert large american city*", then I know where they're talking about.
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Detroitwonk
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I always tell people that I am from the Metro Detroit area...because Detroit is the geo-politico-social center that all of the suburbs radiate from.

I understand where people who say "bullshit" to that are coming from, don't get me wrong. But, I also see what I myself do, and can see how that can cause a different interpretation to occur.

Second, I am quite proud of the City of Detroit...quite proud of being a part of what I believe to be a dynamic and vibrant region that has more jewels in its crown than any place in the Midwest, Chicago included.

I "Tell em I'm from Detroit" because I believe that we all are from Detroit.
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Old_southwest
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Jay Leno is also an idiot.
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Tortfeasor
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A catch-22. If he had said he was from Detroit, people would have chastised him because he actually lives in the burbs. He said he lives in the burbs, and people think he is Detroit-bashing.
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Detroit_stylin
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UMMM No Tort...

When I asked several people that I served with where they were from, they almost ALWAYS said they were from the city their outlying area sat outside.

Catch 22 my azz. Let someone tell me they are from Lostinhell, Anystate, USA and the first thing that I will ask them is where is that near?

The next question I'd ask is "Why didn't you say that from the beginning?"
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Gogo
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He's all about Detroit when its milking the city for money.

But he's all about the suburbs the rest of the time. Home is where your heart is. Its clear his heart is not in Detroit.

Boob spelled backword is BOOB.

Ilitch spelled backword is ELOHSSA.

(Message edited by gogo on December 21, 2005)
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Detroitduo
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Personal story:
Back about 12 years ago, when I graduated college and didn't know much about life OR Detroit, I was asked on a plane during my first business trip where I was from. I answered, "Detroit". follow-up question, "Oh, you live in the City?" I answered, "Oh, noone ACTUALLY lives in the City!"

The point of my personal story is that I USED to think that way and MANY MANY suburban people think the exact same way. I have repented for my sin and eat crow daily for the last 6 years of living in the City of Detroit. Through personal experience and knowledge, I now understand what I used to think is wrong and seperatist. I HATE that I ever said that and if I could go back and smack myself for saying that, I would.

It is a continuous story about this region. Suburban people of Metro Detroit are ashamed of the City and do nothing to improve it and, in fact, make it worse by having no Pride in the City and bad mouthing it every chance they get. It just proves that for the Superbowl, The City of Detroit will shine... It's the People of the region who are going to be embarrassing!
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Psip
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It totally depends on where you are at the time. If in London or Toronto, you might say Detroit or a suburb of Detroit. If in China, you might say USA. If you are at the Customs booth, you say the exact city you live in.
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Ray1936
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Living in Vegas for the last 20 years, one comes to realize that no one was born here. Well, practically no one. So the question of where you are from is a common ice-breaker, and I always say Detroit. Maybe that's because I did live on Jjaba's beloved west side most of my life until the move. But nevertheless, I respond "Detroit" with pride, unless we happen to be talking football..............
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"Our suburbs'll stand up against any in the country"

No they don't, Mike. Our suburbs are pieces of shit. Redford, Warren, and Westland are the white man's version of a Detroit neighborhood, Macomb County is a cookie cutter wonderland, and Oakland is either more of the same or chock full of vaunted townships that may have luxury but at the cost of zero community feeling and people that are way too full of themselves (places that certainly don't hold up against real suburbs on the coasts, as has been discussed in our "Movers and Shakers" thread). Detroit has a few nice "towns" nearby like Ferndale, Dearborn, Ann Arbor, Pontiac, Mt. Clemens, and Grosse Pointe...but they are hardly like the neat little towns that surround NY, Boston, Philadelphia, or even Pittsburgh. Chicago, with Lake Forest and Evanston, beats GP and Birmingham, our comparable substitutes, any day (sad to say).

The fact that we've had a building/sprawl boom and people around here love to get into debt up to their eyeballs financing the latest and greatest in "luxury" living does not mean that we have character or that our suburbs are better than anyone elses.
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Where are you from? My wife always answers "Bloomfield Hills." I always say "Detroit." It pisses her off. That's why I do it.
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My point is that those on this forum would chastise Illitch for saying he is from Detroit. It happens in our very own debates, so why wouldn't it happen here? We have all read the post--you do not live in the city so ________. Personally, I would have been critical if Illitch was telling the press that he lives in Detroit when we all know that he doesn't. The property taxes for his McMansion certainly don't filter into Detroit's city coffers so why should he be allowed to say he is from the D?
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Oh, our suburbs do stand up against any in the country, and so does our City.
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No, no, no. It is a pride of lions. I think a group of Illitches would be a neglect.

A neglect of Illitches.
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I don't know Mackinaw, I think that Macomb County's Lake Township has most of those places beat! :-)
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A catch-22. If he had said he was from Detroit, people would have chastised him because he actually lives in the burbs. He said he lives in the burbs, and people think he is Detroit-bashing.



There's a simple way around that one: live in Detroit.
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Ilovedetroit
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Cool People Live in Detroit.
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Mackinaw
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Gistok, I'm kinda thinking Ilitch should just buy the Edsel Ford estate...call it Little Caesar's Palace.

I like Ilitch for owning (the only) two sports teams and a pizza franchise that have never sold out on Detroit, but that's about it. But when you consider the profitability of all these things, it's really not that impressive.
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Quinn
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This irks me...someone with money and power (influence) to have significantly done MORE here is complaining about what hasn't been done...essentially. Asshat.

What a p$ssy...if he can walk around with that ugly mug then he shouldn't be ashamed of anything.
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Do not be so quick to judge those may be FA he is wooing and selling Detroit is tough enough, then trying to convince them that there are suburbs worth visiting.
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Ray
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Mackinaw, unfortunately you are right.

It's not that I bear our suburbs any ill will, it's just that I can't stomach this mass delusion that they're splendid and spectacular. It's this ongoing excuse/cop out for fixing the city.

Here, this settles it. Per a recent article in an Australian newspaper, our suburbs are "shabby."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/bus iness/end-of-line-for-gm-as-sy mbol-of-american-might/2005/12 /09/1134086805531.html
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Mackinaw
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great link. shabby indeed.
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Northend
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It is much harder to get off one's ass and do something to improve and promote this city (i.e. open a business, create jobs, be a Detroit ambassador regionally, nationally and/or internationally, etc) than to criticize those who have "made it" and spend time nitpicking on the way they express where their residence is located.
If the amount of energy from Detroiters (the ever so cool ones of us who live downtown and the rest) was spent in business entrepreneurship i.e Blondy and her K9 2 5, the arts and other positive things rather than what appears to be a lot of complaining about a lot of trivial things, Detroit would have already caught up with a big chunk of the 50 years of bullshit that it has been through.
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Kova
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well at least Illitch goes to church in Detroit

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