  Nellonfury Member Username: Nellonfury Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.43.156.135 |
I heard this when I was watching Local 4 News today.Super Bowl is just 40 days away and the city is forcing the homeless people to not hanging around downtown on Super Bowl weekend. The city is going to hand out flyers to the homeless for a special housing place for them with free food and watching the Super Bowl on television. We know some of them was around when the All-Star Game was here and the city didn't do nothing about it.We also know our city is doing a wonderful job with the improvements in downtown but some things the city can't hide. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 540 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.109.36 |
thats bull the homeless population are what make a downtown. every downtown has homeless people. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3608 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 207.74.110.233 |
Yep Mike, And the Department of Homeland Security don't want then 5 miles near Downtown Detroit for they may rule out as suspected terrorists. It's a pitty that lots of po'folks are losing out of the Super Bowl fun. Looks like those folks who are in the capitalist network don't want to see them asking people for food and money. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 867 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
If the city can do this for the Super Bowl, why cant it be done permanently? I also wonder if the city is going to evict the guy who has the home under the underpass on the Northbound Lodge, near downtown......after all, this guy is technically not 'homeless'; he has a roof of sorts, is out of the way, and has been there for years! | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3609 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 207.74.110.233 |
Of course Leoqueen, The guy will be long gone thanks to the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
Audible_nectar Member Username: Audible_nectar Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 12.214.103.152 |
This was done in Jacksonville for Super Bowl XXXIX as well. The tactic used in Jax was to provide "plenty and available" shelter and food for those homeless in the area. From what I was told, those people were fed/treated better by the local law during that week than any other week of the year. Some agency whose name I cannot remember donated quite a bit towards the food effort - I recall reading about this in the Jax paper. I think the shelter and food setup is preferable to the alternatives (which would probably end up being no special provisions made for the homeless, along with arrests). At least they are doing SOMETHING to attempt to make them comfortable and to provide needs. Also, I am seeing a pattern here from past Super Bowl attendance: I'll bet that the NFL offered suggestions for this - it seems that every "Super Bowl host city center" has offered some kind of shelter/provisions during game week. I have no problem with this method. My only wish is that local governments were so attentive and concerned about the homeless all of the time - but as a "glass half full" type of person, at least the city is doing something for these people. And if there ARE homeless, I'm really not worried about them. I saw some in Jax, and I do what I almost always do when they ask for help - give them a buck or two. I would also guess that the scalpers will give some of the "more sociable" amongst them "day jobs" canvassing for extra tickets and handing out ad flyers, as many entities/businesses seek to advertise during the week to those from out of town. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3325 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.52 |
And pray tell how "handing out flyers" and offering free meals and warmth for a few days equals "forcing homeless to not hanging around downtown"? I don't which is more flawed, the logic or the grammar. | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 610 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5 |
Skulker, I'm not catching your point. You think it is wrong to get the beggars off the street? (I would like to say that the people you see downtown asking for money are not homeless) | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3384 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
Homeless people have just as much right to walk the streets of the CBD during the SuperBowl (and any other day) as those po' ass ex-urbanites living or visiting there ..... Go figure!! Black-atcha ..... waiting to read about all the homosexuals and pocked faced - fat gut - no ass white folk being escorted out of the CBD to various locations and being fed/housed because of their vicarious abominations against nature being an embarrassment not to be shown on national media. | ||
Crew Member Username: Crew Post Number: 778 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 146.9.52.76 |
...one can only hope. | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 932 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
"The city is going to hand out flyers to the homeless for a special housing place for them with free food and watching the Super Bowl on television." I don't see how this is "forcing" anyone anywhere. More like enticing. And, in doing so, they are hardly "losing out on the Super Bowl fun." They have just as much right to watch the game and chow down as anyone does, and that's what they're being offered. It sounds far less heavy-handed to me than the targeted distribution of free bus tickets that apparently happened in Jacksonville. | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1750 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.209.118.72 |
Free Bus tickets.. one way. Destination = San Diego. Their right to walk the streets is in tact, just do it somewhere else. Also, where does the right to walk the streets cross the line into harrasment from panhandeling, and as far as I know, there is no right to establish residence in alleyways, on sidewalks, and other such places. Perception is reality. A few days of keeping things in check is the right thing to do. | ||
Audible_nectar Member Username: Audible_nectar Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 12.214.103.152 |
"It sounds far less heavy-handed to me than the targeted distribution of free bus tickets that apparently happened in Jacksonville." Can you give more details on this? I was well aware that a shelter space was established in Jax for last year's game, but did not hear about the "bus ticket" thing. What did they do, send them out of town, or just out of the neighborhood, or just whereever they asked to go? I figure that it is better to use the "honey" method of attracting them to a safe space, as opposed to some harsher methods that could be used. If the goal is to reduce the homeless population in the downtown area for gameweek, at least the shelter is a humane approach to this - as opposed to the alternatives. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2176 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Hell they did the same thing in Atlanta wheh they hosted the Olympics... They just rounded up all the homeless people, put them on a bus and gave them a one way ride right out of the city... Damn shame, instead of helping those of us that are the most vulnerable they'd rather put them in places out of sight just so a lucky, priviledged few can fell "safer" or won't be "disturbed" by someone that is only looking for some change to get something to eat... | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1751 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.209.118.72 |
Study after study indicates that little panhandled money is used for food. Also, the city of Atlanta not only did that for the Olympics, they recently outlawed Panhandling altogether. This mind you, is a very liberal city. The good part is, the city knows what needs to be done to keep it moving in the right direction. Detroit is doing the right thing here. | ||
Shark Member Username: Shark Post Number: 166 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 64.108.76.34 |
Yeah, I always look forward to having a maniac follow me for a block and scream about what a racist I am beacuse I told him I didn't have any change. That really "makes" the downtown for me. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 541 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.109.36 |
In Kzoo, there are plenty of homeless as well. What the local cops do there is just pick them up in downtown then drive them to the suburbs. Can you imagine if Detroit cops did that here? Pick up a homeless person in Hart Plaza, then drive him to sommerset? Brooks would love that. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1424 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.255.247.17 |
Since Oakland County is roughly halfway between Detroit and Flint, can you imagine what it would be like if both cities dropped their homeless population at Sommerset? | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2177 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
I am not saying that all use any money they beg for for food...but you do have a few that shows that at least some do... | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 611 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5 |
Detroit, if you don't deal with them on a daily basis (ie: work downtown), you don't have a clue what you are talking about. None of the Beggars in Greektown are hungry......guaranteed.... | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 2917 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 192.220.139.25 |
Do they move the 50 gal. drums for heat out also? Those suckers are heavy, with the wood and coal, and all. Can I bring my stash? jjaba, Westsider. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2178 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Actually G Man since i live downtown then that means that I deal with them on a daily basis throughout each and everyday... So yes I know alot DONT beg for money for food but like I said, there are SOME that do... So yes I do have a clue I am talking about... I know the ones that beg for survival as well as the ones that beg for their next bottle of wild irish rose. Don;t assume that only you know who's who and what's what. I lived all my life in this city and spent the majority of it downtown when no one else WANTED to come down here; before there was a comercia park, a ford field, casinos, fox theaters campus martius, yet who was screamin bloody murder about the homeless population then? This move is madd suspect to me neway... | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5278 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
I just hope that Supersport doesn't get caught in the roundup when he's stumbling down Grand River at 2:00 a.m. | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 933 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
Yes, a warning to anyone going on a downtown bender: wear your Sunday best and walk in a straight line or else you might wake up in the Somerset parking lot. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 617 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.148.114 |
Well, the good news is that there should be no shortage of Soylent Green for the Superbowl. Mmm...Soylent Green. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 869 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
That movie Soylent Green always makes me feel weird because the old man, played by Edward G Robinson, was born in 1954.....same as me. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 1499 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.84.183.189 |
But Leoqueen... you're such the better gangster than Edward G. Robinson ever was. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3327 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.52 |
GDub is the only one that seems to get it right mon this topic. Offering an incentive that provides something more than what they would usually receive is hardly "forcing" people off the streets or using Gestapo like techniques or Big Brother run amok (wake the fuck up, thats what Bush is doing with the last of your privacy rights). The homeless will be free to choose whether to particpate or to continue about their lives how ever they see fit. The real shame is that the homeless do not receive this kind of help everyday. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1145 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Entice homeless away from downtown = put awnings on the Statler. At the end of the day, it's all just a dog and pony show. If you ask me, this is low, even for Detroit. This kind of thing isn't even done for presidential inaugurations. But I guess Detroit is more concerned about the shade of lipstick than the ugliness of the pig. | ||
Nellonfury Member Username: Nellonfury Post Number: 59 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.43.156.135 |
We understand that our city want to be spotless for the vistors and the media,but even drawing the homeless out of downtown the city can't hide form some things like vacant buildings. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3332 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.52 |
The challenge with events like this is that it tends to bring out more homeless people than would normally be on the street. Many folks who would not normally be panhandling turn to it hoping to land the mythological $1,000 from a high roller...others who normally live in another area (Pontiac, Flint, Cleveland) make their way to the host City hoping for the big score. I noticed many, many more panhandlers in the week of the run up to the All Star Game than is normal. It has been found in other cities that offering folks an alternative generally winds up being a wash. The ones that take advantage of it are offset by the ones that are drawn to the event. But to not offer an alternative is to guarantee much higher than normal levels of panhandling and nuisance activity such as pickpocketing etc. Keep in mind that many homeless folks are not poor innocent victims. Some are, many aren't. I can ID several regular and known panhandlers downtown that are plain old junkies, bumming change and when that doesn't work, breaking into cars to feed their habit. And as a person who has watched as one of these fuckfaces smashed my car window, I have no love lost for fuckers like that. The cops will have their hands full keeping homeless shits like that from breaking into limos to deal with a large influx of "new" homeless. Giving some an alternative is not lipstick on pig. Its dealing with real issue in an effective manner. Interesting the DC dwelling Detroit hater picks up on this thread. Last time I was in DC for a convention, I watched as the DC cops came down hard and heavy on a panhandler who dared to be near the convention center, harder and heavier than I have ever seen any cop in Detroit come down on a panhandler. So, fuck off Dan. I am sick and tired of your Detroit bashing that seems only to be for sport and the complete ignoring of the same issues facing DC. Just like you railed about stadium deals here in Detroit after you vigorously defended the pending deal for the Nationals this past summer. A deal that was far worse for DC than the Comerica / Ford Field deals are for Detroit. Sick of the fucking hypocricy and bashing. You are smarter than this.....why do you keep doing it? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3260 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.129 |
Civil liberty under attack, KK will get flack for this action. Will they provide crack, booze or the barrel of a gun to those who resist? If they can get the media to report a record low in homeless will they then pretend the homeless no longer inhabits downtown as they do in Atlanta and other cities? (I think its Rennaisance Park in ATL where many homeless hang out. Supposedly its too infested with crime to be used as a park. But I was never brave enough to test those rumors. ) But go to the underground on a nice day and you will see half of Atlanta's homeless there, asking for FOOD. I gave folks some food, not money. Perhaps those folks who live in the burbs and venture into downtown for their panhandling are setting up their personal business, but many are hungry. There are also stats that show that the hungry are growing in the US while the US is doing less to help those less fortunate. Perhaps a protest will be in order for the superbowl. Will it be used to draw attention to Bush or go forbid the republicans here in Michigan, like the State Legislature. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 619 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.19.17.39 |
Hey NFL, don't want to be inconvenienced for your event by the homeless, try long term funding of an "open", mental health clinic in the CBD, and get your pharma-advertisers to supply it. Put in in Ford Field and it might even help the Lions management. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3333 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.52 |
How the hell is offering free food and shelter, with no coercion to accept an attack on civil liberty? | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 545 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.109.36 |
Thats what many of these people need... food, medicine, treatment, and shelter. They need a mental clinic. Downtowns are havens to the homeless. Its like that everywhere. Think about it, if you where homeless, where would you go? A novi parking lot? You would venture to a urban place that is dense, has people, shops, restaurants and tall buildings for shade and free parks to sit in. Many are hungry and sick. There are those that skuler described, usually around the casinos, but some are truly hungry and sick. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1146 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Well, skulker, you think what you want. I'm just tired of seeing Detroit tackling symptoms instead of the illnesses, and then wondering why shit goes awry. The D ain't the utopia you always make it out to be. This disproportionate focus on removing the homeless to "dress-up" the Super Bowl is merely a window into the misplaced priorities of the City of Detroit. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3334 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.144.52 |
And there in l;ies the problem Dan. You make it sound as if this measure is horrific, when in fact it is one of the better solutions that has been enacted by any city. You also continue to act as if Detroit is the only City that gets it occassionally wrong. DC gets it wrong too...look at the screwing they are getting on the stadium for the Nationals. I also have yet to see a billy club used on homeless people like I have seen in DC. Get off your high horse and put things in perspective. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 299 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
DaninDC, the city doesnt not currently have the power (city finances, state, or federal power) to fix this huge problem. They are being forced to cut down on police, which may lead to more drug use, and more panhandling. Plus, with jobs scarce, those that are barely getting by will be panhandling. But, you know what, Detroit is doing what it can, and this is a win-win situation. The visitors will be hassled less and may take a better impression of the city, and the homeless (that choose to accept) get a warm meal and some entertainment. Everyone knows that Detroit has its problems, but maybe when they visit they will see the great POTENTIAL this city has, and they may choose to do business, visit, or even move here one day. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1147 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Perhaps my point is misunderstood here. Skulker, I'm not sure what you saw in DC. I have to believe if the MPD were beating on someone with a billy club, they had a damn good reason (other than trying to "clean things up" for conventioneers). Consider that a public flogging looks a hell of a lot worse than someone begging for change. Regardless, there isn't an official city policy of rounding up the homeless and carting them off just to appease visitors, much less one that gets published in the local media. Hey, I know my own town has its problems, and I agree that Downtown Tony screwed the city on the Nationals stadium deal. Even still, there is no money coming from the District's general fund to pay for the stadium. That's a different topic altogether, though, and is best left for another day. I just don't see why Detroit has to herd the indigents and homeless away to a sequestered location, just to make things look "nice" for people who are visiting for a few days. Is the DPD not going to have foot patrols downtown during the Super Bowl festivities? I think that if the homeless are going to be such an out-of-control problem, it isn't anything that police officers can't handle by simply doing the job they're supposed to be doing anyway. Is it really necessary to make an extraneous, concerted effort (spending extra money in the process) to keep order? What pisses me off is that it seems like City of Detroit policy to give more of a shit about the fickle opinions of people outside its borders, than those who actually reside within the city limits. If only the homeless voted.... | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2185 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
I agree with you whole heartedly dan. I mean what's to become of the homeless AFTER the SB? And why weren't things like this tackled LONG BEFORE we knew we were getting the SB? That's why I dont like how they doing it becuase THEY ARE NOT doing it for the homeless primarily. I mean why all the interest from outside parties now to 'help the homless find shelter FAR AWAY from the site of the event? Why now? Why not always? | ||
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus Post Number: 66 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 209.114.251.65 |
Some people on here just love to complain. Is taking the homeless somewhere warm to watch the game really so bad? Food and a place to stay don't sound like torture do they? "And why weren't things like this tackled LONG BEFORE we knew we were getting the SB?" Don't you think it's a little naive to suggest that the city should have solved its homeless problem before the Super Bowl? If you have a solution I'd love to hear it... and don't forget to include who is going to pay to accomplish it. Is there anything wrong with trying to put your best foot forward as a city? Do you enjoy getting hassled by panhandlers when you're out of town? Some people feel very intimidated by the more aggressive guys out there. Nobody is saying that this does anything to address the underlying problem, but it sounds like a great idea. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 300 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140 |
right on, spartacus! Im sure the city would have solved the problem before the SB if it could. And this certainly isnt solving it either. Its giving the unfortuante the OPPORTUNITY for food, warm shelter, and entertainment....while allowing visitors to not be hassled and the police to focus on bigger things!! | ||
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.189.92 |
Sounds like money well spent to me, for such a rare chance to permanently change people's opinions of the city thus influencing decisions on investing money in the city, which can then be used to start tackling deeper issues. Or they could do nothing, get no more future investment because of it, and never be able to fund services for the homeless in the future... | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1148 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Investment through inspiration, huh? Didn't Henry Ford II try that in the 70s with the RenCen? | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 7978 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.210.192 |
So because it failed once we should stop trying. It must be nice to get all those fed dollars DaninDC. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 928 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.145.43.248 |
Agreed with Tomoh/Motorcitymayor/Skulker. Yes, it may be a band-aid approach to a problem (the homeless), but is the city of Detroit supposed to come up with a permanent solution first? ...as if that is even possible. This is a reasonable temporary solution that doesn't violate anyone's civil liberties. It seems that this is happening at every Super Bowl city lately anyway. Maybe it will at least spur a dialog on more long-term solutions. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 985 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 172.143.190.62 |
"I agree with you whole heartedly dan. I mean what's to become of the homeless AFTER the SB?" --Detroit_stylin You have your degree now, right? Figure it out (since the "solution" does not seem that far-reaching).--SHAVE "And why weren't things like this tackled LONG BEFORE we knew we were getting the SB?" --Detroit_stylin Hasn't the city been on a roller-coaster in terms of finances, crime, poverty, homelessness, unemployment, etc. for quite some time now? PRIORITIES, Detroit_stylin, PRIORITIES!--SHAVE "That's why I dont like how they doing it becuase THEY ARE NOT doing it for the homeless primarily." --Detroit_stylin Big deal. People ARE COMING to Detroit to spend THEIR HARD-EARNED dollars. Why is it so wrong for those spending their hard-earned REVENUE to obtain a week of comfort during this FESTIVE time in DETROIT? No one on the OUTSIDE should have to DEAL with Detroit's problems. We DID NOT create them and we sure as hell should not have to be bothered by YOUR, meaning Detroit's, problems when WE are bringing MUCH NEEDED REVENUE INTO the city. To bad, so sad, my lad...get over yourself!--SHAVE "I mean why all the interest from outside parties now to 'help the homless find shelter FAR AWAY from the site of the event? Why now? Why not always?"--Detroit_stylin Cry me a fucking river. Detroit_stylin, since you insist on being a Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton knock-off, WHY don't you put the wheels in motion and SOLVE Detroit's homeless problem in time for the Superbowl.--SHAVE | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3261 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.124 |
The food is not free skulker. Its payment for getting out of the CBD. Was there an article on this? Is there a link? OR am I arguing about something somebody heard? | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1149 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Well, that would be Einstein's definition of insanity, wouldn't it? I mean, look how much the awnings on the Statler did for spurring reinvestment in Detroit.
Certainly, you are referring to the 40% of the real property within the District that is nontaxable. And that Congress expressly forbids a commuter tax here. And that there is, in fact, no cash handout from the federal government. All this, plus no representation in Congress and Congressional approval required for all local laws. Yeah, it's paradise. If you want to attack me personally, have the balls to do it personally. My e-mail address is dannyc@umich.edu. Use it. I'm trying to discuss the issue here by offering a countering viewpoint. Because I'm not in lockstep with the "Yay Detroit!" crowd, I get labels thrown on me. This isn't any better than right-wingers who call people "un-American" for disagreeing with President Bush. I'm really disapointed in how far the level of discourse on this forum has fallen. | ||
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus Post Number: 67 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 209.114.251.65 |
Dan, You've done as much attacking on this thread as anyone. BTW, it isn't the substance of your message that is pissing people off, rather it is your tone (hostile and negative). Your email address does help explain, at least in part, why you come across as obnoxious. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2187 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Shave do me a favor and never become homeless, hungry, or destitute becuase then I can take all of your logic (read illogic) and say that you were just "some lazy person that don't deserve MY hard earned dollars wasted on so leave me the fugg alone so I can enjoy myself". The indifference that I see towards the homeless displayed on this forum is crazy and I can almost say with a large degree of certainty that the majority saying it's not a bad thing wouldn't piss on a homeless person if they were on fire. Shave never address me again becuase you have lost credibility with me a long time ago. Enjoy your life where you are comfortable since your pops who was the only real black man in Amerikkka, worked hard and busted his ass(since apparently many of the homeless never did that's why they are homeless right), to keep you insulated,safe and secure so you don't have to worry about being herded out an area where you are out of sight from those who would give less than a damn about you anyway. Oh but my bad maybe you're not so safe anyway. Remember that there is this thing called life that will throw you a curve ball in a minute. More Americans than you think are within a paycheck or two from being homeless, but of course the typical, content American only thinks "Well this will never happen to me", and when it hits it's like "damn maybe it can". It's funny becuase I have talked to a few that at one point or another were relatively "well off" and never thought that they would ever be in that situation. They were also slammed back down to reality becuase they at one point used to dog out the homeless when they were riding high until they wound up homeless. So imagine how crushed their souls and spirits had to have been when they realize how hard the mighty had fallen. Enjoy it while it lasts Shave becuase one day no matter what you do, you just may find yourself in similar conditions. There are thousands of former 'well off' people that once busted their asses to get to where they were at who are now struggling to merely feed their asses from one day to the next. And with the shrinking of the middle class that will only swell the ranks of the poor and destitute. So since you claim you not rich then you must be middle class. Damn if I were you I'd be very afraid and a hell of alot more vigilant in respect to I talk about. Don't get too high on yourself. And since we like to quote shit, if you don't understand where I'm coming from..."Figure it out", you seem like a smart girl ( I could be wrong I have been before). You come off to me as the epitome of the spoiled lil rich brat. Ignorance is bliss huh. I guess that makes Shave a happy ass... | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 549 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.109.36 |
I was in downtown yesterday, was asked by one guy for money, told him did not have it, he went on his merry way. Another guy then asked me while I was putting coins in the meter, told him I did not have it ($0.75 for bus fare) in truth I did not have it, if I did I most likely would have given it to him. He kept harrasing me, so I just got back in my car and moved out of the spot. I need more time in downtown than 30mins anyways. I can understand why the city does not want these people downtown but it is a downtown, and downtowns are going to have these people there. Its part of the urban experiance. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1694 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.103 |
Dan you have no one to blame for your reception here other than yourself. You do get quite annoying at times. That tirade you had on the Largest Theatre District post (for absolutely no reason) is a prime example. The message gets lost when people like to shoot the messenger because he's so annoying. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 986 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 172.144.222.253 |
Seems as though you have more QUESTIONS than ANSWERS. Black-atcha: watching the "boy-wonder" ask WHY, WHY, WHY all the while screaming like a LITTLE BITCH! BTW: Don't worry--you have not been worth my while for some time now. Just hate to witness your raw insanity. (Message edited by SHave on December 30, 2005) | ||
Al_t_publican Member Username: Al_t_publican Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 220.231.73.57 |
What about hiring the homeless to serve as "tackling dummies" for vicarious football fans who never had the genitals to try out for the team? Just think. The money the homeless could make during Super Bowl week could put them back on their feet, or at least into a comfy hospital room. Something like this could catch on the way "midget tossing" did in Florida during spring break some years ago. What should be the minimum wage, or should we say rookie minimum, for a homeless tacking dummy. And could some of the Lions be eligible to try out? | ||
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear Post Number: 108 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 192.217.12.254 |
Ras, is it no-ass in itself a "vicarious abomination against nature?" Or is it no-ass plus being white, fat-gutted and pock-marked that gets Superbowl visitors to that classification? | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 2476 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.236.162.125 |
I did a search of the archives, but found no references to this site, my apologies if it has been discussed before. http://snowsuit.net/ Some very powerful portraits of the people of our streets that we ignore or some fear. I wish I had more time today to explore this site, it is that powerful and thought provoking. | ||
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 232 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244 |
I`ve already been through that site very powerful indeed ..with the quotes he puts in there from the homeless is very heart wrenching .. | ||
Bagman Member Username: Bagman Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.248.14.58 |
As a business owner in the CBD, I will tell you it's not about homelessness it's about begging. There are people begging on the streets of downtown that are taking in more than some of us on this fourm. I have chased these people away from my store for years. I keep my baseball bat just inside the door and DPD has yet to take it away(actually my bat and I are pretty well known to the point that I used to have a Deputy Chief that would bring people by to see my Adirondack Big Stick), and it comes out often. I do help the down and out, but they don't spend days/weeks/months/years walking the streets, those are BUMS more commonly called beggers. But people who's job it is to beg (ok there is no employer, but it's still a job, they are making the rounds EVERY day) need to be removed from the streets where people are trying to do business. The number one complaint I hear from downtown workers is beggers. I have photo albums full of these people, some photos show the progression of some of these folks...an example would be Kirby Green. Kirby is a black man who I would say is about 40. A few years back he had two kids in tow as he begged for money downtown "for food for the kids". The one kids started school, so he only had one in tow, then it started school and he needed a new scam. Now he carries a briefcase and tells folks he lost his wallet and needs a few dollars to get on the bus....TOTAL BULLSHIT! but I am supposed to have compassion for an asshole like this? Please one of you liberal folks explain to me why I should put up with this. These people even claim inflation...The old hag that asked for a quarter for ever, now demands a dollar. One more closing shot....13 years ago when First of America was still in the Penobscot Bldg, the bank manager had told my late father that the largest CASH depositor at that branch was a beggar | ||
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 233 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 67.149.185.244 |
I feel for the homeless Bagman but have to agree on the begging ..If a homeless person asked one for a buck for a meal it wouldn`t be bad ..I have bums ask over and over for money on the way in and out of downtown busineses and with not much sidewalk traffic your an easy target ..I know people from the burbs that know I play in the city and if they go out for a night on the town that is one of the first things I hear from them is the begging problem ..when you talk about the beggers I hope you don`t put them in the same catergory ...you have everything from people that worked hard for years and fell on hard times to the drug addicts that don`t want to work .. | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 589 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.212.62.92 |
Beggars are like animals....if/when they see fear and apprehension in you, they'll go for it ruthlessly. Looking at them straight in the eyes and a firm "NO" usually works. Unfortunately, few of us have the time or the desire to figure out how the beggar got to where he's at. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 628 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
I hate the people who ignore them outright. When I was downtown with some relatives this week I noticed they'd just walk right past like the person didn't exist. Unless someone looks threatening I always say something like "No, I'm sorry sir/ma'am." They usually say god bless you and harass the person behind me next. | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 595 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.212.62.92 |
"harass the person behind me next"....LOL  | ||
Damon Member Username: Damon Post Number: 639 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 172.157.7.92 |
As long as the homeless are given clean and warm places to go, whats the problem? | ||
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear Post Number: 110 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 192.217.12.254 |
I don't share this warm and fuzzy feeling about panhandlers - living downtown, I deal with it about once a day. Personally, I am put off by the incessant, universal and opportunistic lies. And I have heard some incredible ones. I don't see these people as inherently virtuous or worthy any more than I would automatically attribute these qualities to a used car salesman. I used to give these people money - but now I donate to social services charities precisely because they take care of the needy without rewarding dishonest tactics. I guess some of my taxes end up doing the same thing. But I digress. I don't think that the city government needs to address the moral issue of whether or not people should give money. Instead, it needs to evaluate the relative rights and benefits involved. I think it is pretty clear how panhandling creates more negative impact to the city than positive impact to panhandlers. Having Detroit's interface to the outside (its downtown and midtown) dominated by beggars scares away visitors, discourages development, and makes things generally unpleasant for business owners and their patrons. This would be a background problem in some other cities, but in a place already suffering from a bad reputation and low foot traffic, it has far more impact. I think it is a legitimate question to ask whether we are willing to damage the city's ability to support itself for the sake of, say, 50 people taking home $50 a day. This is like vandals causing thousands in damage to a building by taking $50 worth of copper. The rights to freedom of movement and speech are not unlimited - and like every other right, they are balanced against the rights of society as a whole. The challenge, as always, is figuring out how to minimize the impact without stomping on someone's legitimate rights. Luring people offsite with food or shelter is a short term solution - what we need is more creativity in managing both the effects and the cause - within the law and people's rights. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 388 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
So when they get to the party, are they instantly tagged with a chip to show where they are at all times? Cause everybody's not gonna be there. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 937 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101 |
Great post huggybear. What do you think of a combination solution of outlawing panhandling outright (like Atlanta did) but also allocating funds to improved social services for the homeless and mentally disabled? It would be an overall win for both the city and the homeless (except for the handful or homeless bringing in serious cash). By the way, it looks like the homeless are not going to be trucked out to the outskirts of the city or anything... the event for the homeless is going to be just several blocks away from the stadium: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/63091.html | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 418 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 67.149.110.53 |
They do the same thing for the parade.. They bus all the homeless to shelters for 3 days of free meals.. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.136.144.196 |
Considering that other cities what other cities have tried for the same even,t Detroit's approach is rather nice. Some people here seem to comepletely devoid of reason we offer food and shelter without force while other cities try to bus their homeless out, yet somehow we're the only one putting lipstick on | ||
Detroitwonk Member Username: Detroitwonk Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.207.52 |
The Freep has a an article this morning on 'Homeless people to get Super Bowl party'... http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060107/NEW S02/601070324 | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 2485 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.124.175 |
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Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 473 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.246.29.72 |
I live downtown and I'm so agitated with every mutha asking me for money. Everyone! Now you get people that don't even seem down on their luck, they just see that you're white and they automatically ask you for money. Then they try to intimidate and strong arm you. I had these guys help push my girlfriends car out of the snow, and then they're hitting us up for money. What ever happened to doing a good deed? But the worst and the reason the panhandling situation is out of control, is that the majority of them are rude. Most of the time after you DO give them money. They make some backhanded commet, or some ugly look, or they even ask you for more money! Its like they're ashamed of begging and then their spiteful look or comment is ment to show they just won the little exchange. This doesn't happen all the time, but very often. As long as the panhanddlers are treated with dignity and taken care of, which it seems they will be, I think this is a good thing for the city and the Super Bowl. Furthermore I'd say the panhandling situation downtown is a big reason for why a lot of suburbanites are fearful/don't like coming downtown. at least get a craft, or a little trick, or a clever joke, if you're going to hassel me twice a day. Like the dude playing the bucket as a drum, he's cool | ||
Bagman Member Username: Bagman Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.252.70.215 |
When on the street and asked for money my favorite response is to explain to them that they are scaring me and under the law all I need do is fear for my life and the I can BLAST them away, You should see how big those little cracked out eyes can get......God Blesses America, Colt keeps us safe! | ||
Skamour14 Member Username: Skamour14 Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 24.11.209.163 |
the dude playing the bucket as a drum is Larry...... he's got a kid and lives really close to the Magic Stick, and Avalon. I know this because I alaways stop to take the time to talk with him,I like to go to the stick for the monday night bowling and kareoke when i can, and he's always out there, most of the time he's high, but other than that hes a very nice person, usually asks me for a smoke, and I really dont like the homeless asking me for money either. But overall i too think this would/will be good for the city and everyone around it | ||
Rakkus Member Username: Rakkus Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
Where would I go if I was homeless. That question has always been in the back of my mind and I can honestly say that I have always questioned why anyone would want to be homeless here in Detroit. Winters can be brutal. Nope, if I'm ever homeless, I'm going to be homeless in Key West. They wear signs around thier necks that read, "I'm not lying, I need a beer!!" Such honesty is refreshing. . . | ||
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark Post Number: 142 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.61.194.191 |
A straight forward "no, I can't help you" works perfectly almost every time. It is no more trouble then that. If you want to help the destitute give to COTS or resque mission or something. Great post JAMS!!!! | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1726 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.50 |
Whenever I get panhandled downtown, I start talking in German in a loud voice and walk away. It sorta leaves them off balanced, and I don't get hassled. | ||
Gdub Member Username: Gdub Post Number: 946 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.15.192 |
Rakkus, I totally agree. How hard can it be to shore up some rations, hop a train, suffer a three day ride south to a warmer climate? Vas, it's a typical scenario, when they see someone in some kind of car trouble, they're an instant mark. They act all nice and eager to help, and you agree to let them help, then they immediately start asking for several dollars for their services. It's the bum's version of bait n switch. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2278 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
Funny how some seem say "well if they want money why don't they work or perform some kind of service", yet when one seems to try to work for it then it's "yeah and then when they do this they expect some kind of money". One of those "Damned if you do....damned if ya don't" type situations, a catch-22 of sorts... You can't have it both ways people. You are either gonna help them, or continue to deride them as if they are less than people. Personally, I try to help as much as I humanly can... | ||
Julie Member Username: Julie Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 66.178.218.40 |
D_stylin, I agree that we should all help. However...I would never help someone out of a bind and then ask for money after the fact no matter what situation I was in. If you are expecting payment for services rendered, then you should speak up before the work is done, whether your are homeless or not. It is "Damned if you do...damed if ya don't" no matter what side of the fence you're on. Not all the people in this area have a bad attitude, but enough that I begin to feel that that the folks think the white girl has plenty of money she's holding out on them on. Look, I'm lucky to pay all my bills at the end of the month with anything left over, and I do volunteer every week. I just can't help everyone who asks me for money. So I get fed up with people taking their first impressions and running with them. If I did so especially in this town, I'd be called a racist and much worse. I'm not saying the homeless aren't in a very difficult situation, just that so many dishonest panhandlers have ruined it for the people that are truly needy. I have never "derided them as if they are less than people", and I always want to help. But I have decided that my assistance is more useful by being involved with organizations such as Habitat for Humanity, rather than giving a couple of bucks to random people I see on the street. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
That's going to be one hell'va party for 3 days. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2282 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
And I have never said that all homless were victims....some were victims of drug, some of life, some of mental illnesses, others of their own greed and excesses... All I have ever tried to say and this is only to the "I will never lift a finger to those dirty, nasty, lazy, scamming homeless bums" crowd who derides them for being in a situation that they don't know about yet continue to want to judge like they are all seeing, all knowing, while all the while they DON'T know that they are with in a check or two of being in that exact same place. So what will they do when the same people they once talked trash with begin to flip the script on them? The problem of homelessness in this country is not an urban thing. It's a phenomenon that will always affect us no matter what economic class we fall in. We either help them out financially(direct, donations to shelters, taxes to fund programs), or merely just give them the acknowledgement that they are human beings and not the scourge of society. If you feel that no funding at all should be set aside for the assistance of homelessness you may end up paying for it eventually as some become more agressive and turn to crime just so they can satisfy their hunger pains for that day. But then again, I try to see things from both sides of the fence (seeing as I personally was almost on both sides of the fence but that's another story). The biggest thing really though in this thread that pissed me off more so than anything else runs rampant in this country. Those that have have the means to live decently, if not comfortably, always make noise about the things that are wrong with how we help those that are at a disadvantage...yet for some strange reason, they offer NO alternatives aside from placing labels on them so that way they seem less human to them, and therefore justify their rationale(sp?). Yeah this party may be a good thing for the homeless during the superbowl, but the reasons behind it are dubios at best. No one is doing it becuase they all of a sudden are feeling benevolent. And like ALL parties, it will end. Then where will the homeless be... ...back walking the streets of downtown where they were barred from for a few daysbecuase a few people wanted to act as if they don't, exist-- in an attempt to impress a few people 95% of which don't even live here-- for three days... | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 2498 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.229.125.151 |
Something in the Freep article that has disturbed me since I first read it.
With all the money being thrown around, for parties, hoopla, etc. Why can't, what arguably may be the richest sports league, come up with a pittance to assist those in need? | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1152 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Thank you, DS. You have made my day. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1738 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 207.69.138.142 |
There's an easy way to take care of the homeless.... round them all up, put them in an old YMCA, which has rooms, showers, swimming pools. Open up a clinic in there to help them get over their addiction/mental illness (if that is possible), and keep them there (more than likely against their will) until they are cured. Only one problem with that.... it violates their constitutional rights. And because of the constitution, there will always be homeless people roaming the streets. People cannot be cured if they don't want to be. So any discussions about fixing the problem before the Super Bowl is nothing more than hot air! | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 806 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
at least Detroit hasn't been called the meanest city in America | ||
Forddaughter Member Username: Forddaughter Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.252.126.54 |
I couldn't even freakin’ believe this when I heard this. I came to these boards to post but was happy to see that you guys have already done it. I am so embarrassed by our city for doing this, it makes me weep. They act like the homeless are just things to clear away, like they aren't human. These people are a PART of the city. The horrid economic condition that Detroit is in is part of the reason that they ARE homeless! Then to turn around and hide them when we want to look better for the rest of the country! I am so ashamed. I was going to maybe check out some of the winter, snow festival stuff but now I am not. I refuse to be a part of this crap. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.158.84 |
Yes it so shameful that Detroit would want project a postive image of city. It would be stupid of given the image of Detroit not to do this the fewer homeless people downtown the better the city will be viewed. This as much a media event as is sports one the reporting done on the city could have an effect for years to come on how people think about the city. | ||
Bagman Member Username: Bagman Post Number: 44 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 71.144.117.124 |
I had an idea while on the bus to work this morning.......Why not give THESE people trash bags and let them start cleaning the area around the NSO and in exchange give them the party....It's filthy and looks horrible at the corner of Third and MLK. All because you live on the srteet does not mean you have to litter. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1157 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Yes, because the IMAGE of the city is more important than the PEOPLE who live there. </sarcasm> | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6409 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
And we all know that DC would never do anything like this. </sarcasm> How fucking naive are some people to think that Detroit is the only city that does this stuff. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1158 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
As I posted above, DC doesn't pull shenanigans like this--not even for Presidential Inaugurations. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6411 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Do you honestly believe that? If they don;t pull this how many secret service and police do they have on the street to keep 'the undesirables' out of way and ensure they leave people alone. I really have to get to this DC place. Perfect mass transit, perfect public policy, perfect financial management. I once read 'Utopia' by Sir Thomas More. It was awhile back so I must have forgotten that the name of the place was DC. Can you name one bad thing about DC or is it truly perfection on earth? | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1160 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Jt1, I'm not taking your bait to hijack the thread. Believe it or not, not every city does things the same way Detroit does. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 289 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.158.84 |
Really? that's not what the National Coalition for the Homeless says. Seems to me that DC treats its homeless like any other major city like nuisances that are bad for business.
(Message edited by eric on January 12, 2006) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6414 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
I don't disagree and there is no question that Detroit does many things wrong. But....your non stop praising of DC is well annoying as hell. See, if you noticed this is a Detroityes forum. We like to discuss Detroit, the good and the bad. While you seem to like to insist that the city has never and will never do a good thing and then go on to praise DC with everything is does, has done and ever will do. Add in the fact that you don't seem to know a whole lot about what is really going on here and you are annoying as fuck. OK - Instead of one bad thing about DC can you cite one good thing about Detroit or Detroit government. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6415 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Eric - You and your source is wrong. DC would never do that as they are perfect. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1161 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
jt1 and eric (and anyone else), This thread has gone off track. If you have a personal issue with me, please e-mail me personally: dannyc@umich.edu and I will respond. | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3373 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
DinDC:
BULLSHIT..... In May 2003, I was in DC for a biosciences convention at the spanking new convention center. I walked the six blocks from my hotel past what can only be descibed as crack houses around N and 11th - 10th. Along the way I fell in about a half block behind a vagrant / homeless looking guy who approached the convention center and began unobtrusively looking through some garbage cans without making a mess, kinda lifting the lids, pawing at the first couple inches and then replacing the lids and moving on the next one. Two cops approached in an agressive and loud manner telling him to move along and when he straightened up and went to take the time to replcae the lid, one of the cops drew a baton and used it like a cross check to get him moving. I didn't see the rest as I walked into the buidling but the incident was clearly escalating. I have never personally seen behavior like that from Detroit cops, although there are clearly state troopers who abuse their powers here. But please. DC doesn't treat homeless in bad manner. I'll take providing meals, shelter and the opportunity for counseling over a night stick any day. Stop with the holier than thou attitude. Apparently I am not the only one who has noticed it.... You reap what you sow. | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 421 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 67.149.110.53 |
Some chose not to recieve help.. Simple answer on some of this... Many threads expecially about the black dude who got shot and killed by a michigan state trooper by Greektown have shown this.. The help is out here.. But they do not want to seek there help.. Maybe I am out of the loop how that system works, I agree on that.. But never the less help is out there, and they chose to NOT to take advantage of it for whatever reason be it pride or whatever... My point is.. many people who make money think the SAME way.. Why should I give you a dime if help is a doorstep away? Or better yet I made a life for myself why the hell should I help you, I got off my ass and made a life for myself why should I give you a dime.... | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 645 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
bump... Since this is one of those issue that I care about.(plus i didn't want to start a new thead). I have noticed that along I 94 that all of the overpasses have been cleaned out and they have rid them of all of the belongings of the homeless. I understand that this is the "gateway" from Metro Airport to Detroit and the desire for it to be clean is a priority(since there is no snow to cover all of the trash) but what about the homeless??? They live underneath those things and that is their only shelter. I know that someone has put them up for the next few weeks, but what happens after that. They "say" that they are going to assist themin finding employment but I find this very hard to believe. they are just going to throw them back out on the streets after the festivities. My wife and I spent a lot of time and effort trying to accomodate some of the overpass dwellers by supplying them with clothes and blankets. I know that after the SB we will probably have to go back out and help once again for they have nothing to return to. |
