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Gogo
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wasn't the Madison Lenox site to become a landscaped parking lot that served as a "gateway" to harmonie park.

Driving by it yesterday I noticed the entire thing paved over with not a miniscule of space for any sort of landscaping. Go Figure!

Ilitch is a boob and a liar!
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Goat
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 11:39 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could be because it's winter and most landscaping takes place in the spring.
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Wolverine
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 11:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And rip up all that beautiful new asphault? Noooo!
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Post Number: 318
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is a parking lot for Comerica Park. $20 a spot. Advertised in the parkin section of the season ticket package page on the tigers website.
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Gogo
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Goat - The entire thing is paved. No dirt "islands". No geography at all for future landscaping. Not that I'm at all surprised. Just wanted to point out that the Ilitches are dirty nasty liars.
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Skulker
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Post Number: 3335
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Posted From: 67.103.104.93
Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

It is a parking lot for Comerica Park. $20 a spot. Advertised in the parkin section of the season ticket package page on the tigers website.




The "Madison Lot" listed for season ticket holders is the lot located between Adams, Madison, Witherell and John R. It is not the site formerly occupied by the M-L.

Gogo correctly points out that the paving and finishing on the M-L lot is not in compliance with City ordinances.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Post Number: 320
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Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ohh... im sorry..

Saw the name and though it must have been the ML spot
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Erikd
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Post Number: 481
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Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That lot looks terrible.

The vacant buildings looked much better than that nasty parking lot with the ugly view of the alley.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 11:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Knowing how controversial the whole demolition was, and the outcry from the preservation community, you'd think they'd at least be so humble as to follow through on what they promised. Audaciousness is not a trait lost on the Illitch's.

Is there anyway to hold them accountable for violating ordinances/zoning? And, is it simply that the city doesn't have the interest or stomach to say anything (i.e. what seems to be business as usual in Detroit)?
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Johnnny5
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Post Number: 123
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Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 11:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not to give any credit to the parking lot slum lords, but doing landscaping, planting, etc. is very difficult this time of year and they may have just set the lot up temporarily. Then again "temporary" in Detroit is a flexible term.
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Gdub
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Post Number: 943
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Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 11:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not like it's a hot media issue or anything, but it might be worth a try to send a letter to editors at the papers. It seems like the only way to ever get a response from the teflon elite Macedonian parking cartel is to raise a stink on their local image. Maybe, just maybe, a well-written, to-the-point, concise and convincing letter might get printed by the brown-nosed and terminally blind Free Press or News.
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Erikd
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Post Number: 482
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The brand new, and fully landscaped, parking lot on Library street was just built a few weeks ago. The Opera House is currently installing landscaping and a decorative fence alont the parking lot RIGHT NEXT to the Madison Lenox lot.

There is no excuse for this.
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Hornwrecker
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Post Number: 668
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



A quick PS suitable for handing out at the M-L Memorial Parking Lot.
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Gistok
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about sending a few nice photos to the National Trust. I'm sure they would love to publish pictures of the "non-compliance" parking lot that replaced the Madison-Lenox in their National Trust magazine!

They did after all show the United Artists Building on the front cover of their magazine, and show the nation the Ilitch's slumlord behavior.
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 2956
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 1:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL @ Gdub! I'm going to have to remember this description of the Illitch's:

"teflon elite Macedonian parking cartel"
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Ndavies
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Post Number: 1507
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you thought the M_L deal ws bad, Just wait for the next Ilitch\Kilpatrick\Granholm deal to hit the news. If what I heard last night is true, The M-L is just first. And no it doesn't include a new stadium.

Sounds like they're writing the demo justifications as I type this.
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Rrl
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Care to elaborate NDavies?
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Ndavies
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Post Number: 1508
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not really. It's still just a rumor. Although my extremely reliable source said it was a done deal.
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Hamtramck_steve
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 12:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would it have anything to do with the special "clean up" funds allocated from the state to use in the vicinity of Ford Field?
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J_stone
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Post Number: 254
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Posted From: 63.77.247.130
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They're tearing down Tiger Stadium!?

The MCS!?

Oh-Duh... The United Artist Right!?

1545 Leverette!!!??
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Merchantgander
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Post Number: 1434
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 1:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My sources say they are going to tear down Comerica Park and re-open Tiger Stadiums.
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Huggybear
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quote:

My sources say they are going to tear down Comerica Park and re-open Tiger Stadiums.


...build another identical playing field and rename the team Tigers! Tigers!
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Hornwrecker
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 1:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Rsa
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 2:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/50492/60463.html
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Ndavies
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 2:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not sure Hamtamck_steve. Were those clean-up funds in the neighorhood of $8 million.

No stadiums past or present are involved. Only
Ilitch properties.

We already knew the UA was in it's final days. It's not the only empty building Ilitch owns in that neighborhood.
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J_stone
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Post Number: 255
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 2:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The fine arts?

They wouldn't hit the G.A.R would they? Does he own that?
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Psip
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J_stone
GAR
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Hornwrecker
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The GAR is owned by the city. IIRC a condition of the deeding is that the city must make available retail storefronts on the ground floor, or something like that. It was in some book I read, but I can't recall which one right now.
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Gravitymachine
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so what all does illitch own in the way of abandoned distressed properties? I don't know nearly enough about it to list em. process of elimination to figure it out?
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E_hemingway
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 3:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What properties does Ilitch own? I think this has been listed before I couldn't find it in the archives.
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Hamtramck_steve
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Fine Arts/Adams Theater
UA
Detroit Building
Blenheim Apartments

NDavies, I do believe $8 million is the amount in question.
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J_stone
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 3:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh so it must be the Detroit Building!

I think the building that will be knocked down for parking for the Lafayette is by far a greater loss.
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Ndavies
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Why do you keep thinking it's only 1 building JStone. I'd add the Vermont hotel to H_steves list.
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Merchantgander
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He owns the Fox.
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Fnemecek
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Post Number: 1426
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quote:

It's still just a rumor. Although my extremely reliable source said it was a done deal.



All I ask is that, this time around, they actually comply with the law. The UA could come down today, if they wanted it.

As for the others, someone please point the Macedonian Parking Cartel this way -> http://legislature.mi.gov/(dgsy4d45vmqgn0f3tnkakkv4)/mileg.aspx?page=GetMCLDocument&objectname=mcl-Act-169-of-1970&queryid=12315306&highlight=local%20historic

The law. It's not just for poor folks anymore.

(Message edited by fnemecek on January 06, 2006)
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Ndavies
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My question is, why are large chunks of taxpayer (state) money going to a multibillion dollar slumlord company to tear down their buildings? If they want to tear down their buildings, I'm OK with that.

However, why are we paying for it? I don't see any new Jobs being created here. The minor tax gains are miniscule if these lots remain parking. They'll never return the money being spent on it.
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Erikd
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 5:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen, Ndavies.
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Matt
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A little off topic here, but since we're talking about Ilitch-owned properties, did anyone else see the Fine Arts Theatre lit up before New Years Eve, with the marquee reading "New Years Policy Coming Soon"... "Dec 29 & 30" or something to that effect?

Anyone know what that message meant?
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 6:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ndavies, are you alluding to an entire take down of ALL Illitch-owned buildings in the Foxtown and Grand Circus Park districts?
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Ndavies
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 7:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was told at least 4 buildings.
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Ndavies
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The Fine arts theatre on Woodward is not owned by Ilitch. The Fine Arts building on Grand circus park is.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 9:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And that's one building I feel comfortable in saying is beyond any pratical repair. It will probably become another lot for the Grand Park Centre, though my wish would be for a thin, residential high-rise to fill the gap back in.
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Fnemecek
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Post Number: 1430
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I was told at least 4 buildings.



I have trouble believe that (although it is possible that I'm wrong). It cost $6.8 million to bring down the Statler alone.

Granted, it's a large building with a number of engineering challenges around it. In order to bring the cost down to an average of no more than $2 million per building, it would have to be some of the smaller buildings.

I can't see them including the UA in the mix and still getting that many other buildings down.

quote:

And that's one building I feel comfortable in saying is beyond any pratical repair.



What? You haven't discovered the wonders of structural steel yet?

It's amazing how many things you can prop up with that stuff.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Then, they better do it quick, and secure the facade. One wrong move could send the whole thing toppling down.
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Gistok
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Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 3:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Cass-Adams building is also owned by the Ilitch's, although it is still occupied with MotorCity Casino training. But that will change when the casino expansion is completed.

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