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Urbanoutdoors
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard a couple rumors over the past few weeks just wondering if anyone else knows anything.
1)Illitch is only going to renovate the united artist to improve his public image, so that he can build a new hockey arena in one or two different spots. Some where by the fox to add to his little Illitch Village.
2) Build a new hockey arena where tiger stadium is.
Just wondering if anyone else has heard these rumors.
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Huggybear
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quote:

Illitch is only going to renovate the united artist to improve his public image, so that he can build a new hockey arena in one or two different spots. Some where by the fox to add to his little Illitch Village.


Haven't heard it, but who cares what the motive is as long as it gets done?
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Sharmaal
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey there. This sounds like speculation to me.

Speculation - Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

Sounds plausible, of course, but this has been kicked around for years. I think the FOX Town area would be a little to tight. Tiger Stadium, I think he owned it, but he turned that over to the City didn't he? If he was serious about doing that he might not have sold it off.
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Urbanoutdoors
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He owned the team the city has always owned the stadium. the team leased the stadium from the city.
I agree that it would be a great thing to renovate the united artist but his proposed location would also demolish many other important historical landmarks. His ploy would be to bargain using the united artist as leverage to get a new stadium built where ever he wants to put it in the city. Just wondering if anyone else has heard about it.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Minus using the UA as a bargaining chip, the arena rumors have been floating around for quite a few years now.

*Oh, just noticed you were new. There has been talk all around here about a new arena location. Try a search, and welcome to the forums.*

(Message edited by lmichigan on January 24, 2006)
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Jasoncw
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my image of him would be better if he did the UA :-)
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Devinc
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 2:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would welcome the idea of keeping the UA alive and tearing down the eyesore called Joe Lewis Arena that is currently on some prime river front real estate.
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Gmich99
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Devinc- Agreed. It is beyond me that Cobo and the Joe, two structures largely void of windows, would be build on real river real estate.

Further, the Cobo/Joe complex serves as a man-made barrier significant downtown river front expansion. The city would be best served if both these structures were built on the edge or just outside the downtown to continue and spur further downtown redevelopment.

For giggles: how much does the city spend to maintain old Tiger Stadium? I recall a local program citing huge maintence expenses, including elevator repair, to keep the structure up to code.
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Psip
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Gmich99, Channel 7 did a report this past summer about the maintenance at Tiger Stadium. It turns out that the city was paying $400,000.00 a year to keep it in pristine condition to no other then Mike Illich. After the report came out, Illich dropped the price to $200,000.00 a year. Great deal, Eh?
We all know what a fine landlord he is and how he manicures his properties.
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Gmich99
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Psip- Thanks for the information.
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Danny
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At least the folks who will be comming over the world at see the Super Bowl will be able to what's going on the Illitchville. They would be amazed of the new condo opportunities being developed in those depression era Downtown Detroit buildings.
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Mcnamara
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A new joe will be built. An annoucement will come after the super bowl, big deal in the works. Where you ask? A nice piece of property at the NW corner of I-75 and Woodward.....
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Tigersfan9
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Illitch doesn't own tiger Stadium, it's owned by the city, so he'd have to work a deal out with the city to get the land. That makes the scenario more unlikely than the alternative (a new arena in the Fox district), since Illitch already owns a ton of land around there.
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Genesyxx
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Speculation? Sounds like progress.
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Jsmyers
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I think the FOX Town area would be a little to tight.




It is not really tight at all.

We've talked about it before:

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/64187.html?1137956564

The two blocks of:

N: Montcalm
S: Elizabeth
E: Park
W: Cass

Would fit the stadium without touching the Iodent nor the Fire station.
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Sumotect
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it is going in the area left by the Donovan/Sanders Demolition.

That would keep the whole opreation close to "HockeyTown"

That is the problem with the tiger stadium site.

Although remodeling tiger stadium to hockey would kill two birds with one stone and also make way for Cobo expansion.
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Jsmyers
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sumotect,

See Skulkers post in the above linked thread.
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Sumotect
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks,

Good argument and sounds like he has good information about the area around the Donovan.

Looking at Goggle; I think the general location of Grand River,I-75, Montcalm, Cass makes more sense from the known desire of creating a sports/ entertainment district. The temporary Casino sites are, I believe, too far away to make that happen.
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Mcnamara
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pdd, cpc, dda, blah, blah, blah. If certain folks want the new joe to go at the I-75 and woodward corner, trust me it will happen. Thats where its going, just wait and see........
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Gwhobbies
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Personally, I would be all for the new "Joe" going on/near the corner of I-75 and woodward. It would really spur that area around Grand Circus, and there are alot of very interesting buildings in the area behind the Fox that might benefit from that. Now, for all those new condos across the street...I can see how some folks might be a little peeved. I wouldn't mind.

(Dreaming part)Also, with a centralized sports meca area, a nice light rail line down wooodward would have a perfect destination stop.(end dream)
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Bobj
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We definitely need a new home for hockey and it would be great to demolish Joe Louis to open up the river for a better use.

I think the area behind the Fox OR north on the westside of Woodward would be great to bring life to either area and expand the reach of the CBD.

Where Joe Louis is now will develop on its own with the river views and all.
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Mbr
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Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hockey stadiums are not big places. Hopefully they will nestle it in somewhere downtown, maybe comerica park parking lots, and piggyback on the existing parking instead of making a new sea of it.
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Lmichigan
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I really think we'll hear something this year. What I'm worried about is not so much the location (only two are really even seriously being thrown around), but how the thing will phyiscally look. Will they go retro-barn-style like the Jenison Fieldhous/Yost Fieldhouse/Olympia or something more modern? Whatever they do, what bodes well is that both Comerica and Ford Field look decent at the very worst. I hope we see some brick, and I'd really like them to go retro. I also hope that the city completely pushes for underground or consolidated parking for a ramp wherever the arena decides to set up shop.
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Jsmyers
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Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 1:45 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A coworker told me that there is an arena in Ohio that is built over the street. I thought that was an interesting concept...the entertainment strip and main entrances under the ice...

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