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Danny
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 9:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now this is a tale of 2 OC cities of New Detroit. Over the past year, Southfield has lost up to 66 people while Oak Park is gaining a whopping 318 people. Is Oak Park is gaining more blacks or is it the ethnic Jewish and Chaldean population is destin to take over Oak Park? Is the ethnic population of Southfield has started to flight to other cities due the growing black popultion? Explain you comments.
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Dialh4hipster
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Yes, you nasty little comments - explain!
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Machoken
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I think you're overreacting. Southfield lost 66 people? The population in southfield in 2004 was 77,491. Oak Park gained 318 people? The population in oak park in 2004 was 29,074. BFD.

Of course, you don't mention the lengths of time that the changes you mention occur...
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Jasoncw
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I don't know about any numbers, but you're probably right about those groups moving to Southfield.
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Fishtoes2000
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My guess is these Oak Park gains are due to them annexing parts of Royal Oak Township, which included an apartment complex.
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Cmubryan
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It's all Northwest Detroit anyway. They might as well rename it Northwest Detroit.
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Naturalsister
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Who cares?!

later - naturalsister
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Jjaba
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Orthodox Jews stay put. They have schools, stores, and shuls in Oak Park. Orthodox Jews like big families. They walk to synagogue on Shabbos.
They can't drive long distances on Saturday. They build a community and stay put.

jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor.
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Royce
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Jjaba, what are shuls?
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Cmubryan
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Shuls is yiddish for synogogues (the Jewish form of church).
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Danny
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Jjaba,

Also the Hasidic Jews of the Oak Park have a stay put community along 10 Mile and Greenfield Rd. area near the Southfield border. They have their shuls, synagogues and they won't sell their homes to nobody else not even black-folks as long as their synagogues and shuls are still standing and still working. If their synagogues were able to move away, so will Hasidic and Orthodox ethnic Jews just like they did in Detroit.
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Steelworker
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very much a jewish population there. most everyone ive met that lives there is jewish. except my Ex who was east indian. Solid jewish community along coolidge north of 696.
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Patrick
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Oak Park is damn near ghetto
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Steelworker
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not the north section above 696 look like berkley i actually thought it was until i met people who lived there
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East_detroit
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Actually, shul is yiddish for school... and the synagogue is considered a place where you learn, hence the use of the term for synagogue.
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Livernoisyard
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Not Jewish myself, but isn't a rabbi a teacher too?
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Jjaba
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Jewish ghetto (shtetl). The Ultra orthodox, Chasidim, and modern orthodox Jews like to live in a separate community. They walk to shul, they have big families, they build parochial schools, they eat strictly Glatt Kosher, they have practices which might surprise the outsider. They have a ton of Holidays not practiced by acculturated Jews who today might live in W. Bloomfield, Novi, Southfield, Farmington Hills, Troy, Grosse Pointe, and Detroit.

This Oak Park community had built 3 long tunnels on I-696 around Greenfield to seal off the freeway from them when they cross for Shabbos to shul over on W. 10 Mile Rd.. The tunnels are the longest alowed which are unheated. Any longer would require special heaters.

jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor.
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Zulu_warrior
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Zulu's Population Rule #1

Birth and Death Rates influence population stats more than migration.

Oak Park may have more people who are of reproductive age and actually reporducing, than the middle aged, empty nesters in Southfield.
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Danny
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I'm glad that The Hasidic Jews are hanging on to the own community in Oak Park while more black-folks and Chaldeans trying to move into the once cookie cutter homes. The moment you pass that elementary school on Church St. in Oak Park going east you're in the hard core black ghetto and if you have pass that elementary school on Church St. You're in the nice quite walkabout Hasidic Jewish community. Where you see all of those men and boys wearing those black hats with their temple hairs reaching to thier necks and the Hasidic Jewish women and girls wearing their black dresses during shabbat when they all waking home from their synagogues. Now that's pure tradition. I wish they could hang around in Detroit neighborhoods if their synogogues and shuls are around the corner. But those days in Jewish Detroit are over. 10 Mile and Greenfield is the place where Hasidic Jews work and play.

Here's is Oak Park ethnic background. When it was incorporated as a city in the 1950s it was a full white community, and the ethnic Jews from Detroit came in mid 1960s and most of them remained there today. Black folks from Detroit also come in the late 1970s occupying most of the row homes and projects near Greenfield until the 1980s when they begin to occupy all of the cookie cutter neighborhoods north and south of 9 mile from Greenfield to past Coolidge in Downtown Oak Park. Today the black-folks (now population 3) are all over the Oak Park except in Hasidic Jewish communties along 2 streets north and south of 9 Mile near Nusach Hari and Mishkan Israel synagogue and shul and up to 10 mile and Greenfield area near the B,Nai Israel synagogue and shul, and the one mile square block north of I-696 to the Berkley border, but there some signs indicating that 5 to 10 blacks families are living there right now. Most of them quickly occupying some apts. over there. Oak Park is destined to predominately black by 2008 reaching over 52%. The Chaldeans came into Oak Park in the early 1970s occupying most of the cookie cutter wood frame ranch homes with no basements east of Coolidge and south of 9 Mile Rd. setting of shops. TYhey tried to creep up into black communities, but kept out when more population 1 blacks started to give their homes to children, most of them are in their homes right now raising their families and passing their estate to their relatives in order to prevent ethnic covenants. The Chaldeans will continue to hang on to their communities until a new area is right for them.
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Cmubryan
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There were Jews in OP way before the mid-1960s. Try the early 1950s, many of them bought those OP houses new.
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Jjaba
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Cmubryan knows it. Jews were original settlers of Oak Park and made Oak Park High School an excellent one for decades. The Chasidim came later as the Ultra Orthodox community grew, not only in SE Michigan but elsewhere. Many of the acculturated Jewish families have moved from Oak Park as they have matured out. The Chasidum prefer private schools.

The sidelocks are known as Payos, thus we call Greenfield Avenue "le Rue de la Payos." With some influence from the Sephardic Hebrew of Israel, the Yarmulka has become a kipa. The plural is kipot.

Be kind and avoid driving in their neighborhood on Saturdays. Respect their desire for a peaceful shabbos. (shabbat)

jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor.
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Danny
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Southfield today is getting more black coated as it was 20 years ago. Most of them population 1 came from Detroit following the ethnic Jews. In the mid 1970s they occupy mostly north of in 8 Mile Rd. from Greenfield to 9 Mile Rd. and past Northwestern HWY. Now they all over the place.
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Jjaba
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Gerttoman, your post 3697 is not well written. What in hell are you trying to say?
Please read it and revise it to make sense using English.
Peace out,
jjaba.
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Jimg
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Can vouch for Jjaba's comments re: OPHS...am proud alumnus of same. Spent many many Saturday mornings eating Lox/Bagels, attending Bar Mitzvah's, trying to date Jewish girls (usually unable to pass parental muster - tough when one looks, and acts, so goyish).
There was a fairly large Catholic segment too - Our Lady of Fatima was well-stocked. Lutherans and Blacks were few and far between.
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Danny
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jjaba,

The Ghettoman himself told me that he know where you're at due to your connection the ethnic Jewish communties. Ghettoman aslo told me that he have been around the all parts of the ethnic Jewish communties and study its ethnic demograhiphic backgrounds.

The Street Prophets are still in the ethnic demographic business so if you have ran into them. They will give connections to The Ghettoman.

L'Chaim.
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Danny
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Buy that way most of my street prophets are members of the Akiva Hebrew Day school, Temple Isreal,Miskan Israel/ Nushach Hari and Shaarey Zedek synagogues.

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