  Krapug Member Username: Krapug Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 24.188.90.4 |
I am posting this here since downtown retail development is a oft discussed topic. www.stltoday.com There is a story that the nearly vacant downtown mall St. Louis Centre is being sold and will be redevloped as Condos, and Offices with some retail. Just another example of a failed downtown mall. In this case it still has 1 anchor store (Famous-Barr, soon to be Macy's), but that was not enough to save the mall itself. Clearly a downtown "mall" is not an option that downtown Detroit should persue. Ken | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1421 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68 |
amen | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 778 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.43.242 |
they just redeveloped an empty mall in downtown louisville as well. malls in downtown settings very rarely work. you have to have great density to support street retail AND indoor retail. | ||
Ericdfan Member Username: Ericdfan Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.41.117.60 |
detroit has ver liitle outdoor retail...and the same for indoor...if the population was higher in the city i think it woul work, but not as of now..... i like the idea of an indoor mall that can have open area's when weather permits....i think that would be awesome | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3103 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Galeria in Cleveland is a jewel. Seems successful. Mall downtown Fort Worth also failure. Downtown malls in Seattle and Portland, Oregon very successful. Doesn't the Metrolink train line stop inside the St. Louis Mall? Will that continue? Toronto and Montreal inside malls downtown on Metro lines work very well. Sorry about St. Louis. It was a good idea until they realized nobody shopped there. N. Michigan Ave., Chicago, inside Malls work well. Good density and cache'. jjaba. | ||
Drm Member Username: Drm Post Number: 860 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.74.30.120 |
We should enclose the whole city and we could open up the roof when the weather is nice. That would be awesome. | ||
Michikraut Member Username: Michikraut Post Number: 113 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 80.135.55.187 |
Before I left for Europe, Indianapolis was developing a downtown Mall- how did/does that work out. Back in the early 90´s there was a lot of money and planning poured into redevolping and restoring the downtown area(old-factories to lofts, offices) former trainstation to shopping/entertainment, restoring/rehabbing old downtown towers, restoring Statehouse) never been back. How does the Indianapolis populationa and economy compare to Detroit? | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 499 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
The downtown Indianapolis (circle center) mall is one of the few downtown malls that is successful. That probably has something to do with the fact that Simon Property Group, one of the nation's largest mall operators, is also headquartered in downtown Indy. IMO, there are very, very few similarities between Detroit and Indy. Indy is much newer, cleaner, less diverse, much less violent, and has a burgeoning trade show/convention business among other things. Indy's metro population is between 1.5-2 million while Detroit's is a little over 5.5 million. While downtown Indy is quite vibrant, especially for a metro pop of under 2 million, it just feels like a very dense version of suburbia, with some historic buildings mixed in. I'm used to big cities with some grit, like Detroit and Cleveland. That adds character to the urban environment and let's you know that all kinds of differnt people coexist in big cities. The lack of diversity and excessive cleanliness kind of detracted from the you're-in-the-big-city feel of Indianapolis. | ||
Krapug Member Username: Krapug Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 24.191.56.146 |
I forgot to mention in my first post, if you go to the site www.deadmalls.com I posted a commentary on the planning, rise and fall of St. Louis Centre. Ken |
