  Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1254 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
Where was all this outrage and call to action when a millage to fund this jewel was rejected? Where was all the outrage when police precincts were closed?? Apparently Detroit is supposed to care fore the regions jewels while everyone else enjoys lower property taxes. From the Free Press message board Detroit Zoo in Jeopardy JBR1@aol.com writes:
RHOOD8911@WOWWAY.COM writes:
lapouttre@hotmail.com writes:
JWilliamsToledo@BEX.NET writes:
gdg@comcast.net writes:
madysen@wowway.com writes:
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Harsensis Member Username: Harsensis Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.227.102.82 |
Whew! I didn't make the list. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1526 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.217.87 |
The Freep message board. It's where the ignorant masses go to look smart when they can't find their way over to Detroit YES's kiddie table (commonly referred to as hotfudgedetroit.com). I wouldn't worry about it too much. If no one is bashing you that board, you're doing something wrong. What the CC should be worrying about is the way their getting trounced on this board. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1255 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
I agree, posters on this board are by and large infinitely more intelligent  But posters on the freep message board represent a much larger slice of opinions in this region. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1529 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.217.87 |
May God have mercy on southeastern Michigan. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2321 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.64.175 |
Is it really any different than some of the mess than appears on THIS board? | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5545 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Perhaps BRC wasn't too far off the mark. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1531 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.217.87 |
Put it this way, Metro: #1. Do a seach of this forum; #2. Count how many times someone has argued for creating a fence around a certain part of Michigan; #3. Decide for yourself from there. | ||
Nellonfury Member Username: Nellonfury Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.43.156.135 |
The city is still wondering WHY our people is moving out the city. I'm going with Brook Patterson's idea and rename the zoo. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2323 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.64.175 |
Fnemecek, if only it were that simple. The anti-suburban rhetoric on this site is just as bad as the anti-Detroit rhetoric on other sites. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1533 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.227.217.87 |
Yeah, but at least we give (usually) give halfway intelligent reasons for our arguments. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1256 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
By George, that's it! Rename the zoo and everything will magically fix itself. Duh! Good luck getting Oakland County voters to unclinch their fist around their "low" property taxes to support a cultural institution. | ||
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris Post Number: 237 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.58.36.2 |
This has to be a forumer, either DYES or HotFudge,
(Message edited by wmuchris on February 21, 2006) | ||
Detroiternthemist Member Username: Detroiternthemist Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 64.118.149.50 |
Do we still wonder why SE Michigan is so polarized? | ||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 3587 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
http://www.petitiononline.com/ detzoo/petition.html | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 2228 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.24.82 |
What's the point, that there are ignorant, prejudiced and stupid people out there that don't respect Detroit and Detroiters? I think we've known that for a pretty long time. Posting the Freep comments here simply reconfirm that and add fuel to the fire. There are some more thoughtful comments on the Freep board as well, but posting those won't enflame the emotions on this topic and reinforce the "us" versus "them" mindset we apparently need. The comments on the arts tax failure on the other thread helps reinforce the "us" versus "them" attitude, so lets focus on the divisions between people. Why talk about how close the vote was, that 46% of Oakland and 57% of Wayne voted "Yes"? Why talk about how the vast majority of people of SE MI, city and suburb, all seem to enjoy and appreciate the zoo and want to find a way to keep it open? Why talk about how solving the zoo issue can be a precursor to more regional cooperation? It's more satisfying to bitch about the evil "them". Why don't we have regionalism? We obviously don't really want regionalism. Even those on the "enlightened" side seem to delight in pitting one faction of the region against the other. We're our own worst enemy. | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5316 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.216.150.127 |
Sweet an online petition! Those always work. Tell them we'll have punch and pie... | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.148.213.218 |
Track 75 - exactly. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1257 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
Nice post Track75. It rings of unity and coming together and all that other stuff you preached about everyone else doing. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 305 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Looks like the zoo issue is just another wedge being driven into the Detroit/Suburban and White/Black matters. Sigh. MLK Jr. said: "We must all learn to live together as brothers, or we will all perish together -- as fools." | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1258 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
It allows people to feel like they are doing something, while still keeping their property taxes low. Its win-win. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6823 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Maybe we should find some of the outraged people and follow them to the grocery store. Get in line in front of them, have the person scan your groceries then casually state that the person behind you will pay. After seeing them go crazy with outrage just say "You're welcome for the zoo for all of these years" | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1817 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.6.69 |
My take on those online bloggers..... It never ceases to surprise me as to how many fools there are in this world, who are computer literate! | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 5317 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.228.64.24 |
"More people will show up if they think there will be Punch and Pie!" | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3737 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.186 |
For the sake of God and people Detroit city CLOWNSIL Sell the Zoo. and get on with your happy lives. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1231 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.220.230.150 |
I think you guys are looking past the real issue here. To the suburbs the Zoo is closing and according the media the council botched it up. To them it is just another in a long line of screwups by Detroit and its corrupt leaders. Then today they turn on the TV to see themselves called Devils and plantation owners and this that and the other you expect them to want to help out. This whole issue was played by the media and every second of it is racial. (Message edited by _sj_ on February 22, 2006) | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 9904 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.226 |
Perfect post of the day award goes to FNEMECEK! I'm a fuckin' rock star over in Hotfudgeland. I think of it as keeping the kiddies over there entertained. Hell, he even puts my stuff in his headings. haha
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Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1261 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
Here is a map of support for Proposa K (the arts/culture millage). Note the big white area which is Macomb County, who decided to not even participate in the vote. Some will argue that the cultural institutions are mainly located in Detroit, however, how many Detroiters actually go to the Zoo? DIA? Belle Isle Aquarium? Yet Detroiters overwhelmingly supported the millage. I suspect if we did a mapping of the complaints about the Zoos closure, the map would show up inversed.  | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2089 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Excellent work Gogo! Those culture robbing slobs in the suburbs want all their money and for us to pay for it! | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6840 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
Gog - I believe that the vote was for WC and OC only. I may be wrong. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1264 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19 |
Jt1 - You are correct. MC opted to not even participate in the millage, that is why it is white. Only WC and OC even considered the millage even though they ultimately turned it down. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1824 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.129.214 |
As a Macomb County resident, I have to say that the reason Macomb County opted out on the vote was plain and simple.... aside from the Macomb Center and Emerald Theatre, there are no "Arts" in Macomb County..... unless you include Hooters! | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 214 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
Gistok, where's the Emerald Theatre? | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1825 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.129.214 |
Downtown Mt. Clemens. It was a C. Howard Crane designed theatre (same architect as Fox, State, Opera House, Orchestra Hall) that has seen a lot of activity in the last few years. KRAWLSPACE could fill in the details since he works there. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 215 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
Ah, now I see it: http://www.emeraldtheater.com/ | ||
Esteban Member Username: Esteban Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.216.109.164 |
Gogo, The posted demographic is profoundly shocking, and gives pause for thought. Thanks! |
