Itsjeff
Member Username: Itsjeff
Post Number: 5603 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.42.168.211
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 8:10 am: | |
New bridge divides neighbors DETROIT -- Michigan is forming plans to use eminent domain to seize as many as 300 houses to build a bridge to Canada through one of Detroit's poorest, most polluted and forgotten corners. Even though a controversial $25 million study of a bridge is nearly two years from completion, state transportation officials for weeks have discussed buying or condemning houses with residents of Delray, a onetime Eastern European enclave. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060228/M ETRO/602280333 |
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 1725 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 216.203.223.92
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 8:33 am: | |
I have attended meetings and met some of the folks from Delray. I would not have expected so many people to have such passionate feelings for that neighborhood (that's because I don't live there!!). They are going to have a fight on their hands. |
Ct4438 Member Username: Ct4438
Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 67.37.215.187
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:00 am: | |
While I don't remember them, my dad's grandparents used to live on South Street in that area from the 1950s-1970s. He took me by the old neighborhood about 10 years ago and apparently the house either was burned down or demolished because only the empty lot remained. |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 1047 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:18 am: | |
Has anyone asked Manny about this? I feel a kabosh being put on the plan, its just lip service. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:39 am: | |
Only some 15% of erstwhile Delray's population exists today. |
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap
Post Number: 396 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:43 am: | |
I live in the Vernor/Junction area - just west of Junction. Some thoughts please! Sell now? I have visions of a bridge looming just outside my windows. Is this good - maybe the people in San Francisco who live by the bridge are happy to see that span looming over them. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:47 am: | |
Aren't you far enough from the river? The MDOT plan to turn Vernor into a below-grade, truck-only freeway servicing the proposed DIFT went over like a lead balloon in the late 1990s. |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 989 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 1:07 pm: | |
That's a fair article. This proposal does seem like the lesser of various evils. Certainly compared to the Matty Maroun plan (nightmare scenario) to build a secured roadway running along the riverfront from the tunnel to the Ambassador Bridge, this plan is not *so* bad. If they're talking East Delray, I'm guessing the bridge would take over the foot of Livernois, and they'd make use of or expand the existing I-75 exits at Livernois to handle bridge traffic. I doubt the bridge-related roadway would expand north of I-75. (Message edited by Dougw on February 28, 2006) |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 990 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 1:33 pm: | |
Ok, here's my fancy-pants graphic estimate of where the bridge might go in this scenario:
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Orignal_d Member Username: Orignal_d
Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 2:45 pm: | |
I don't think another bridge is such a bad thing, however, eminent domain is a dangeerous tool in the hands of an already corrupt government. Eminent domain is just another opportunity for greedy land grabbing politicians to put poor people off of their land. Something should be done about the Supreme court because they are bordering on becoming a demagogue-ish tribunal, hell bent on ruling with the gavel and the power of the American police authority behind them. This new ultra-conservative court is to be closely watched; forgive my rambling, but mark my words. |
Cushkid Member Username: Cushkid
Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 136.1.1.154
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 2:49 pm: | |
Wouldnt that put the bridge right over top of Ft. Wayne. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 109 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 3:22 pm: | |
Welcome aboard Orignal_d!! "Original" |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 991 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 3:46 pm: | |
Oops, you are right Cushkid. I should have turned on the "satellite" viewer on Google Maps... that shows the Fort right there at the foot of Livernois. Somehow I had thought it was further over. It looks like the bridge would have to go several blocks to the east or to the west of where I drew it. (Message edited by Dougw on February 28, 2006) (Message edited by Dougw on February 28, 2006) |
Cushkid Member Username: Cushkid
Post Number: 34 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 136.1.1.154
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 3:48 pm: | |
Its not like anything is happening at the fort anyway |
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 1653 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 3:59 pm: | |
Actually one of the proposed delray routes goes directly over the top of Fort Wayne. The other is just to the west, between Zug Island and Fort Wayne. http://www.partnershipborderst udy.com/pdf/CentralArea%20-%20 Illustrative%20Alternatives%20 -%20Part%202.pdf |
Bunny Member Username: Bunny
Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 65.91.100.222
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 4:11 pm: | |
O yeah, I like that attitude... nothing is happening at the fort so TEAR DOWN THAT SCHITT! So typical of Detroit attitudes. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 1295 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 4:23 pm: | |
Well, and just north of Fort Wayne is the decayed remains of a Fisher Body plant. Not the most pleasant smelling place on earth, although the "palm trees" sure look nice. |
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys
Post Number: 285 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.188.144
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 4:29 pm: | |
Weird...It hasn't been said yet? TEAR THAT SCHITT DOWN!!! |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 8150 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.54.68.57
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 5:48 pm: | |
I believe it (the birdge) may be built between Ft. Wayne and Zug island as NDavies pointed out. It is the best spot IMO as it has the least impact on both sides of the border. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 6842 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 5:49 pm: | |
quote:So typical of Detroit attitudes.
Yep - One poster speaks on behalf of the city. |
Fnemecek
Member Username: Fnemecek
Post Number: 1541 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.236.177.26
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 6:02 pm: | |
IMHO, the closer they put this to Zug Island, the better. Also, the less land this thing grabs while still serving its purpose, the better. |
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 1726 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.148.126
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 6:09 pm: | |
for most of us here in the shadow of Manny the Vampires empire, the further downriver the better! |
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers
Post Number: 1456 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68
| Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 6:10 pm: | |
quote:I live in the Vernor/Junction area - just west of Junction. Some thoughts please! Sell now? I have visions of a bridge looming just outside my windows. Is this good - maybe the people in San Francisco who live by the bridge are happy to see that span looming over them.
So you live closer to the existing bridge than the proposed one. (Well over 1.25 miles from the proposed sites.) I'd like to live with a view of a bridge - if there was no traffic on it.
quote:IMHO, the closer they put this to Zug Island, the better. Also, the less land this thing grabs while still serving its purpose, the better.
I agree. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 3761 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.223
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 9:50 am: | |
Goodbye Delray! I would miss those good homes in the ghetto. |
Jdkeepsmiling Member Username: Jdkeepsmiling
Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 208.50.91.234
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 10:03 am: | |
Tear that SCHITT down.....sorry, some things are not quite worth fighting the fight over. |
1953 Member Username: 1953
Post Number: 707 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 10:19 am: | |
Perfect...another plan to decrease Detroit's population! |
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw
Post Number: 123 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 148.61.248.170
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 10:54 am: | |
Well, if they don't build another bridge, there will be losses that certainly outweigh the loss of these peoples houses. "A bi-national commission of state, federal and provincial transportation officials has concluded that, without another link, border congestion will grow so bad by 2020 that Michigan and Ontario will lose nearly $29 billion annually and 49,000 jobs." That, or some houses? Plus bridges are cool, and I'm sure the same dispute happened when the Ambassador bridge was built, except then there was probably even more people and businesses to move. |
Cushkid Member Username: Cushkid
Post Number: 35 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 136.1.1.33
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 4:04 pm: | |
Though nothing is happening at the fort it doesnt mean i want it torn down, I like the fort. My comments were truthful and you cant deny that. |
Aiw
Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 5344 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.216.150.127
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 11:08 am: | |
Doug, a big problem with your map too is the Salt mines are under there on the Windsor side... Also, don't forget all those churches in Delray... |
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81
Post Number: 930 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.142.86.133
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 4:53 am: | |
I think very few people know there is even a fort there. i didn't until i stumbled across it a few years ago |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 879 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 8:30 am: | |
Jerome, more people than you think know that the fort is over there. I have a few questions about this bridge. Will Maroun have anything to do with the building of this span. I may be getting confused due to the fact that I recently read that he was planning on a bridge as well. I recently heard that Maroun has bought the old Free Press plant on the river. Does anyone know if this is true?? And yet another question, Does Don Barden own any land on the riverfront??? Sorry to |
321brian Member Username: 321brian
Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 8:58 am: | |
I don't know what everyone is so worrkied about. Eminent domain worked so well on the riverfront where they were going to build the casinos. I'm sure the city will use the same sound judgement in this case. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 882 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 9:10 am: | |
321...I don't know whether to take that as sarcasm or truth, because as you very well may know there are members on this forum who thinks that eminent domain didn't work and then there are some that think it is actually working. LOL |
321brian Member Username: 321brian
Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 9:12 am: | |
Lets go with sarcasm. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 883 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 9:17 am: | |
Just as I figured...but I do see more than a glimmer of hope now for the riverfront/casino area. yaknow??? |
321brian Member Username: 321brian
Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 9:24 am: | |
Ya, eventually that area will be something again. The location is too good to be ignored and misused forever. Too bad they won't be able to mix in any old establishments with the new deveploment. With the way it is going to be used now those old business would have been great roots for new development. When things start opening I'm sure someone (City Council) will say that when the city claimed this property years ago this is exactly what they had envisioned happening. |